As of 23/02/02 there are 94 subscribers to SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L and 49 subscribers to SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-D. (The list was begun just last autumn!) Welcome to those of you who have just recently subscribed. I hope you'll find some good information passed along via this list, and perhaps a distant cousin or two. If you haven't posted your interests yet, or haven't done so in awhile, pleases be sure to share them with us. You can search the archives of SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN by going to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN

In a message dated 2/23/02 9:08:20 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I found them to be an interesting reflection of the agrarian lifestyle then > , and replicate the tickets here for the enjoyment by the list. You might > even find a relative noted as a member of the committee ! I find this to be a very interesting and wonderful example of the little things that help us to understand what life was like in the past, plus something that could lead to helping another person find their ancestors. Thanks so much, Gary, for sharing this with us. If anyone else out there has items from East Lothian (like photos, tickets, programmes, etc.) with people's names on them, feel free to share with the list. Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/247.675.1 Message Board Post: Carol Thorburn Saw your message about Marr's from North Berwisk. I never knew my father's parents but believe his mother, Annie Marr came from lifeboat people in Dunbar or North Berwick. She married John Robertson and they had 14 children. I know nothing about them except he might have been a milkman and was rather fond of the drink. They lived in Edinburgh after they were married . Regards Ann

DID HE WIN?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Brookes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] a hundred and eleven years late ! > Hi List, > > > I happily became the new guardian of a book that has been part of the family > since 1889 entitled : The National Burns, printed to help celebrate the > first centeniary of the bard's death. In it were two tickets which my > relatives may have missed checking to see if they were winners - could > someone check? :) I found them to be an interesting reflection of the > agrarian lifestyle then , and replicate the tickets here for the enjoyment > by the list. You might even find a relative noted as a member of the > committee ! > > > Under the auspices of the Duns > Ornithological Society. > A GRAND DRAWING OF PRIZES (ON THE ART UNION > PRINCIPLE) > will > take place in > > THE TOWN > HALL , DUNS > On 23rd JANUARY 1891, at > Eight o'clock p.m, > __________ > > This drawing has been organized by the Committee of the above Society, to > rasie a fund in aid > of the Widow and Five Children of FRANCIS PAXTON, Duns, who met with a Fatal > Accident > at Cumledge Mills, on 29th October , 1890. The late Francis Paxton was a > Member of Committee, and > an ardent Fancier. It is hope that under the circumstances the scheme will > be extensively supported. > > 1. No. 12 C.F Double Barrel 8. Straw Hive and Bees > 16. Yellow Common Canary Cock > Breech -Loading Gun. 9. Empty Frame Hive > 17. Yellow Fleck Common Canary > 2. Pair Ice Pigeons 10. Cartridge Bag > and Belt Cock > 3. Three volumes (British Battles . 11. Buff Piebald Scotch > Fancy 18. Buff Fancy Canary Hen > by Land and Sea ) Camary Stock > 19. Crested Norwich Canary Hen > 4. Pair Turbit Pigeons 12. Belgian Canary > Hen 20. Pair Blue Antwerps > 5. Bar-Frame Hive and Bees 13. No. 12. Cartridge > Turn-over 21. Pair Black Homers > 6. Pair Jacobin Pigeons 14. First Cross Buff > Canary Cock 22. Pair Blue Cheq. Homers > 7. Bar-Frame Hive and Bees 15. First Cross Foul > Canary Cock 23. Pair do. do. > > > > TICKETS --- > SIXPENCE EACH > Duplicate Numbers and unsold Tickets must be returned not later than 16th > January to T. STEPHENSON, Duns. > The following members of Committee have been elected to carry through all > the arrangements -- JOHN NEWBIGGING, > JAMES R. WILLIAMSON, A.S. RANKIN, AND THOMAS STEPHENSON. > Winning numbers will be published in the SCOTSMAN and SCOTTISH LEADER of > 26th January, and BERWICKSHIRE NEWS of 27th January. > > For the record , my relative, George Nelson Jr. held tickets numbered 2928 > and 2929 . > regards, > Gary in Vancouver > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > The Rootsweb/Ancestry.com message boards for East Lothian are gatewayed to this list. When you read a post here you may wish to respond on the boards in the event the author of the post is not subscribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi List, I happily became the new guardian of a book that has been part of the family since 1889 entitled : The National Burns, printed to help celebrate the first centeniary of the bard's death. In it were two tickets which my relatives may have missed checking to see if they were winners - could someone check? :) I found them to be an interesting reflection of the agrarian lifestyle then , and replicate the tickets here for the enjoyment by the list. You might even find a relative noted as a member of the committee ! Under the auspices of the Duns Ornithological Society. A GRAND DRAWING OF PRIZES (ON THE ART UNION PRINCIPLE) will take place in THE TOWN HALL , DUNS On 23rd JANUARY 1891, at Eight o'clock p.m, __________ This drawing has been organized by the Committee of the above Society, to rasie a fund in aid of the Widow and Five Children of FRANCIS PAXTON, Duns, who met with a Fatal Accident at Cumledge Mills, on 29th October , 1890. The late Francis Paxton was a Member of Committee, and an ardent Fancier. It is hope that under the circumstances the scheme will be extensively supported. 1. No. 12 C.F Double Barrel 8. Straw Hive and Bees 16. Yellow Common Canary Cock Breech -Loading Gun. 9. Empty Frame Hive 17. Yellow Fleck Common Canary 2. Pair Ice Pigeons 10. Cartridge Bag and Belt Cock 3. Three volumes (British Battles . 11. Buff Piebald Scotch Fancy 18. Buff Fancy Canary Hen by Land and Sea ) Camary Stock 19. Crested Norwich Canary Hen 4. Pair Turbit Pigeons 12. Belgian Canary Hen 20. Pair Blue Antwerps 5. Bar-Frame Hive and Bees 13. No. 12. Cartridge Turn-over 21. Pair Black Homers 6. Pair Jacobin Pigeons 14. First Cross Buff Canary Cock 22. Pair Blue Cheq. Homers 7. Bar-Frame Hive and Bees 15. First Cross Foul Canary Cock 23. Pair do. do. TICKETS --- SIXPENCE EACH Duplicate Numbers and unsold Tickets must be returned not later than 16th January to T. STEPHENSON, Duns. The following members of Committee have been elected to carry through all the arrangements -- JOHN NEWBIGGING, JAMES R. WILLIAMSON, A.S. RANKIN, AND THOMAS STEPHENSON. Winning numbers will be published in the SCOTSMAN and SCOTTISH LEADER of 26th January, and BERWICKSHIRE NEWS of 27th January. For the record , my relative, George Nelson Jr. held tickets numbered 2928 and 2929 . regards, Gary in Vancouver

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Yeomans Booth Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1068 Message Board Post: Katherine Yeomans 30.12.1813 married to William Booth 25.9.1771 - from Booths of Belper Line. Any help Please - Please. Bore John and Edith Booth in 1815 and 1817-18

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Yeomand Booth Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1067 Message Board Post: Katherine Yeomans 30.12.1813 married to William Booth 25.9.1771 - from Booths of Belper Line. Any help Please - Please. Bore John and Edith Booth in 1815 and 1817-18

Hello I'm new here and thought I would post my names of interest: GIBSON - David late 1700's born: Sheriffhall - Anderson & William 1818-1890's born: Dunse / Whitsome & surrounds -David, James, Anderson, William , John, Thomas, George & Robert 1848 +++ Born Coldingham, Berwick upon Tweed - Anderson, George & Marjory 1890 ++, born Foulden area PORTER - Alice b 1894 , Aberdeen and William and Loretta 1890's + - James b 1858 , Aberdeen NELSON- Mathieson b 1859 Chirnside - George Jr. b abt 1833 , Foulden BEATTIE - Helen b 1865, Aberdeen RENTON - Isabella b 1782, Eyemouth If any of these names are familiar with you, please contact me for further details . regards, Gary in Vancouver

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/443.446.460.610.611.615.622.1.1 Message Board Post: Ina Very interested in any information you may have on my GGGrandmother Elizabeth Brockie and/or her family. Please forward anything you feel pertinent to both this email address, and my home [email protected] so I can pick-up over the weekend. The trail goes rather cold and I have no hard evidence on my Brockie line and thus my Brown family name has no relations. Brown is my GGrandmother's maiden name which I carry. A very common name which without a referring spouse name/history can be impossible to trace. Thanks for any info you can provide. Scott

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brockie/Stenhouse via Scott Brown Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/443.446.460.610.611.615.622.1 Message Board Post: I may have the information you require re Elizabeth Brockie/Stenhouse Scott Brown

Thank you Therese, that was I looking for BOWIE. I will add this to my ever growing list of information. Sue Pauls -----Original Message----- From: Peter Galanakis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Bowie/Kerr Good Morning List, Someone has been looking for the name BOWIE recently, sorry can't remember who. I found these whilst looking through KERR on the IGI. Hope they are of some help. Marriage 10 Apr 1775 at Dunbar JOHN KERR and REBEKAH BOWIE Batch M117066 Christening 30 Apr 1782 at Dunbar JANET KER Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 Christening 12 Apr 1789 at Dunbar REBECCA KER Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 Christening 4 Mar 1784 at Dunbar MARGARET KERR Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 All the best and good luck Therese Galanakis Kythera Greece. ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== The Rootsweb/Ancestry.com message boards for East Lothian are gatewayed to this list. When you read a post here you may wish to respond on the boards in the event the author of the post is not subscribed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Good Morning List, Someone has been looking for the name BOWIE recently, sorry can't remember who. I found these whilst looking through KERR on the IGI. Hope they are of some help. Marriage 10 Apr 1775 at Dunbar JOHN KERR and REBEKAH BOWIE Batch M117066 Christening 30 Apr 1782 at Dunbar JANET KER Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 Christening 12 Apr 1789 at Dunbar REBECCA KER Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 Christening 4 Mar 1784 at Dunbar MARGARET KERR Father JOHN Mother REBECCA BOWIE Batch C117065 All the best and good luck Therese Galanakis Kythera Greece.

Thanks Marilyn, I think it makes perfect sense. Because Musselburgh was known for its mussels, and because the livlihood of many men changed from farming to fishing in Sutherland during that time, it seems logical. Someone suggested salmon fishing. I guess I will have to learn more about fishing. Is there someway to find out what a person did for a living during the 1850's in Sutherland? I found a list for 1822 that showed what the men did as work. Was that the only census of that kind? -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Musselburgh Hi Sue: Re: Your Bowie's My gg-grandfather was a shoemaker, and he migrated from Caithness (North-east Scotland) to East Lothian following the changing "tide" of his work. It appears that he was following the masons and miners to make their boots, and of course his family moved with him. No doubt, if someone needed to travel North for the harvest of the sea, he would; I understand that times were very tough, and whatever it took to raise a family, it would be done. I am certainly no expert on this -- any other input?? Cheers, Marilyn ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== Join the Lothians Family History Society! Visit their homepage by pointing your web browser to http://www.btinternet.com/~mmgene/lfhs/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Sue: For occupations in the 1850's - I don't know if there is a list per se, at least I have never seen one. However, I have found that on the Census Returns the occupations are shown. Scotland had Census' taken in 1841, 1851 and 1861 - more but these are probably the ones you would be interested in. Hopefully you know the Parish and/or Country the Bowie's were living at in Sutherland, or if a child was born during the period of interest you should be able to find out where they were living, it would be so much easier. I ordered in the Census returns through the Latter Day Saints Family History Centre. I know that the Caithness Family History Society has members that are willing to do look-ups and I am sure the case would be similar in Sutherland - search for a website - there may be a small fee, I don't know- just so there's no surprises, or you may find a soul-mate willing to help you out!! There is a Caithness Community WebBoard (a local site, and there may be one for Sutherland as well) that has a lot of County history posted and certainly very informative. You may be able to narrow down your search somewhat if you can find such a site - you may wish to try GENUKI for their Sutherland pages, or links from Electric Scotland or one of the other Scottish webboards. Funny how we end up searching all over Scotland, even though our "home base" per se is East Lothian :)) I know what you mean about "learning about fishing". You might even find that mussels were fished in Sutherland too (maybe a hint!!) I have been having to learn about British Military History - not one of my most interesting challenges!! I am very interested in the list you found of occupations in 1822, the year my gg-grandfather was born. Is that on-line? Good hunting, Marilyn

Hi Sue: Re: Your Bowie's My gg-grandfather was a shoemaker, and he migrated from Caithness (North-east Scotland) to East Lothian following the changing "tide" of his work. It appears that he was following the masons and miners to make their boots, and of course his family moved with him. No doubt, if someone needed to travel North for the harvest of the sea, he would; I understand that times were very tough, and whatever it took to raise a family, it would be done. I am certainly no expert on this -- any other input?? Cheers, Marilyn

Thanks, everyone, for the info on the Bowie name. I have some distant cousins in Edinburgh I think. I should probably track them down. Was Musselburgh strictly a fishing community in the 1800's? Was it common for young men to travel the coast north looking for work? James Bowie ended up in Sutherland and raised his family there. -----Original Message----- From: Henrietta Stewart [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Musselburgh Definitely BOWIE name in the Midlothian East Lothian area. I was at college at the same time as a James Bowie from Dalkeith. Cannot remember any more. The date I knew a Jim Bowie was around 1958 ish. Good luck H Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauls, Sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Musselburgh > I have a gggrandfather BOWIE who was born in Musselburgh around 1800. I > can't find the name Bowie anywhere on this message board. Is Musselburgh in > East Lothian? Is anyone familiar with the name Bowie? > > thanks to all who can help > > Sue Pauls > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check in surrounding counties for ancestors too! Subscribe to the Midlothian-L or D by sending the word subscribe to [email protected] OR [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== The Rootsweb/Ancestry.com message boards for East Lothian are gatewayed to this list. When you read a post here you may wish to respond on the boards in the event the author of the post is not subscribed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sue Unfortunately Musselburgh now resides in the East Lothian Council area, but once upon a happy time pre 1972, it was apart of Midlothian. Thankfully the post office still regard Musselburgh as a part of Midlothian, so I can write Musselburgh, Midlothian on my address. There is a few Bowie's in the telephone directory. Regards Derek from Musselburgh I have heard of Dowie, Howie and Cowie in our area but no Bowie. >From: "Pauls, Sue" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Musselburgh >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:52:19 -0500 > >I have a gggrandfather BOWIE who was born in Musselburgh around 1800. I >can't find the name Bowie anywhere on this message board. Is Musselburgh in >East Lothian? Is anyone familiar with the name Bowie? > >thanks to all who can help > >Sue Pauls > > >==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== >Be sure to check in surrounding counties for ancestors too! Subscribe to >the Midlothian-L or D by sending the word subscribe to >[email protected] OR [email protected] > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Definitely BOWIE name in the Midlothian East Lothian area. I was at college at the same time as a James Bowie from Dalkeith. Cannot remember any more. The date I knew a Jim Bowie was around 1958 ish. Good luck H Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauls, Sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Musselburgh > I have a gggrandfather BOWIE who was born in Musselburgh around 1800. I > can't find the name Bowie anywhere on this message board. Is Musselburgh in > East Lothian? Is anyone familiar with the name Bowie? > > thanks to all who can help > > Sue Pauls > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check in surrounding counties for ancestors too! Subscribe to the Midlothian-L or D by sending the word subscribe to [email protected] OR [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GORDON, ROBERTSON, RUTHERFORD, SMITH, KERR, McKENDRY, REDPATH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1066 Message Board Post: I am looking for info on James GORDON married Mary ROBERTSON Dec 31, 1878 in Ormiston, Scotland. We think James died Dec 2, 1897 in Ormiston. Mary was born in 1858 at Fountain Hall (where is that?) I understand it is in East Lothian. She died Oct 22, 1941 in Ormiston. Her parents were William ROBERTSON and Janet RUTHERFORD. James and Mary had several children: Janet (married William LYAEL), Catherine (married John HILL), William born Oct 5, 1884, House O Muir, Scotland. Died March 24, 1968 in Ormiston. Married Agnes Kerr SMITH February 27, 1909., David (married Robena RICHARDSON), Margaret (married William BLACK), and James (married Ethel SMITH). Agnes Kerr SMITH's father was John SMITH and mother was Marion KERR. They were married in 1883 in Tranent. Their children were: Catherine, Agnes Kerr (married William GORDON), Thomas, Elsie, Christina, Andrew, James and John. Robert McKENDRY married Annie REDPATH in Tranent in 1897. They had at least one son, James. James died in December 1957 in Edinburgh, cremanes were scattered from the tower of Tranent Parish Church. He married Agnes SYME April 21, 1922. She died in February 1938 in Tranent.

I have a gggrandfather BOWIE who was born in Musselburgh around 1800. I can't find the name Bowie anywhere on this message board. Is Musselburgh in East Lothian? Is anyone familiar with the name Bowie? thanks to all who can help Sue Pauls