This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/443.446.460.610.612 Message Board Post: hi my name is John Brockie and iam living in scotland i was born in 1962 my father was also called john and he died when i was only 2 in 1965 he had brothers and sisters i think called david and adam my grandfather was also called adam i have just recently started searching for my fathers family and hope this helps you fill some gaps best regards johhnny.

The 1861 census of North Berwick lists this address. If anyone can tell me where it is, It would be much appreciated. Mary Hamilton

Hi Mary, Lennoxlove is the home of the Duke of Hamilton outside of Edinburgh, Scotland, in Haddington. Try looking at www.lennoxlove.org . Don't know if this is the same as your Lennoxlove Gate, but I believe that it's in the same area. With your name being Hamilton, just a coincidence? Lynn M. Polgar Researching Surnames: RYRIE, SWANSON, DUNNET, ROSIE, CORNER, HENDERSON, BRUCE, TAIT, CHISHOLM, BROWN, CLARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Lennoxlove Gate, North Berwick > The 1861 census of North Berwick lists this address. > > If anyone can tell me where it is, It would be much appreciated. > > Mary Hamilton > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Share your record transcripts by entering them Scotland BDM Exchange today. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/index.htm and see what is already there. Let's build up the database! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Good evening listers John Martine's analytical record of the rural "past" of Haddingtonshire includes family names we see from time to time on the list. He puts them in contect and throws in a few anecdotes that brings the humanity out of all the lists of dates, places and statistics. This postings extracted from my copy of "Reminiscences and Notices of the Parishes of the County of Haddington " by JOHN MARTINE published 1890 using information from the 1755, 1793 and 1841 Statistical Accounts of Haddingtonshire. To help while away the wee hours . <There are in and around Gifford many pleasant houses and residences, such as Gifford Vale, long the residence of William Begbie, Esq., Mr Hutton, Mr John Hay, and Mrs Hay, who lived to a long age, now of Mr Alexander Hay, merchant, Leith; Holyn Bank, where Miss Hay, late of Duncan Law, long lived, now the residence of Peter B. Swinton, Esq., the factor on the estate; and Gifford Bank. The Free church and manse are pleasantly situated on the road leading south to Danskine, &c. There are a row of excellent houses, including Mr Ogilvie's opposite the village green. Gifford is a post and telegraph town, a sub-office to Haddington. There are three trysts or fairs held annually in March, June, and October. They were important and large fairs some years ago for the sale of sheep, cattle, and horses, and frequented always by showmen, gingerbread vendors, merry-go-rounds, coopers to sell bickers, cogs, and tubs; shoemakers to sell shoes; tinkers and gipsies to sell baskets and horn-spoons. Cooper Neillans of Garvald used to tell that he attended Gifford fair for over fifty years. The school boys at the Haddington schools used to get the play to go up and see Gifford fair. Lots of horse dealers from all parts attended. An old Haddington deacon used to remark that they were the "waill of men.' Of late years Gifford fairs have fallen off very much, and have almost died a natural death, owing chiefly to the weekly auction sales for cattle and sheep in Edinburgh, Dalkeith, and Haddington. They are now the relics of former days. There were for many years six public houses in Gifford for the sale of foreign and British spirits, porter, and ale. Now there is but one - the Tweeddale Arms. A louping-on-stane, a distinguishing erection yet in many a Scotch village, stands opposite the inn door, and above it the old fashioned swinging signboard, with the Tweeddale arms painted on it. An old occupant and owner of the Tweeddale Arms was David Swinton, who carried on a small brewery for many years, a necessary appendage in old times to a village hostelry. His successors also carried it on for some time. Mrs Ayton for many years also carried on another of the principal houses. A roaring trade was done on fair days in spirits and ales.&c. A good story is told of two Lammermuir herds who always attended Gifford fairs. They made a point of drinking a gill of whiskey in every public house. On one occasion when on the road going home they recollected that they had forgot one house, and they came back to drink it. When the late Earl of Gifford was born in 1822, the first male heir at that time to the Yester estates, great rejoicings and jollifications took place in Gifford. An ox was roasted in the green and the meat with a certain quantum of ale was distributed among the villagers. The marriage of Lord Ramsay, afterwards Marquis of Dalhousie, Governor-general of India, with Lady Susan Hay, in 1836, was a grand event on the Yester estate. After the marriage and before he carried off his bride, Lord Ramsay came out to the lawn accompanied by the Marquis, the Earl of Dalhousie his father and a large assemblage of relatives, and addressed the large crowd of tenants, villagers, and Haddington people. He made an elegant and grateful speech, and said he was just about to carry off the "Lily of the valley." A large company was entertained to dinner in the riding school. It is sad to think that the largely gifted life of the Marquis of Dalhousie was not longer spared. During his eight years' government of India, from 1847 to 1855, he accomplished and carried through many important events which have tended much to the consolidation and strength of British sway in India. A bleachfield on the banks of the Gifford water was long carried on by Mr Wood. afterwards by Mr John Traill, where a considerable trade was done, but it was given up many years ago. A woollen or "wauk' mill was also carried on by Mr Weir. and afterwards by Mr Roger Robson, who removed to Haddington. A meal mill still exists on the Gifford water. At one time there were a great number of weavers in Gifford.Not one now exists. Among them were Blacks, Barries, Browns, &c. Many old names will still be recollected in Gifford - Miss Hay. Mrs Carfrae, Mrs General Forbes at Holyn Bank. Mr Gilbertson, factor at Gifford Bank; Mr James Porteous, saddler (the Pin of the Tabernacle); William Craise, wood merchant; William Wight, baker; James Sligh. grocer; Miss M'Connel. baker; Richard Ewen. merchant; Mrs Ayton. innkeeper; Peter and James Cockbum. shoemakers; William Tait, wood merchant; Miss Coalston, post mistress. James Lidgate; carrier; James Bald, butcher; Alexander Instant, wright. The old schoolmasters were Mr Paterson, Mr Peter M'Kay. and Archibald Hunter in Long Yester, much respected in their day. Mr William D. M'Kay, the celebrated Scotch artist, is a son of Mr Peter M'Kay. and a native of Gifford.> Hope you found that entertaining if not informative. Regards George Wallace

Evening all As I have hit a "brick wall" I though a few postings extracted from my copy of "Reminiscences and Notices of the Parishes of the County of Haddington " by JOHN MARTINE published 1890 using information from the 1755, 1793 and 1841 Statistical Accounts of Haddingtonshire would while away the wee hours . >From John Martines chapter on the parish of YESTER <Yester House, the family seat, is finely situated on the Gifford water. Splendid banks of old trees adorn the avenue. The Beech Bank is particularly fine and charming. A noble avenue of lime trees from the village to the entrance gate is the admiration of all. On the Yester estate, long ago, there were a number of liferent farms which had been possessed by the same family for a long series of years. They were Duncanlaw, Townhead, and Sherriffside. The tenants were all HAYS, and were called after their farms Duncum, Townam, and Shirrum. Ewingston was also another one, which was long occupied by Mr Richard Somner. There were also a number in Lauderdale, which have now fallen in. Old farmers, names in the Yester estate are now matter of history. There were CARFRAES in Cairniehaugh, the Park, and Waldean, HUMES in Castlemains, USHERS and STEPHENSONS in Quarryford, and HOODS in Long Yester, YULES in Broadwoodside, GIBSONS in Camelston, BOGUE in Snawdon, TROTTERS in Woodhead, TWEEDIE in West Hopes, DODS in Newlands, PATERSON and BROWN in Tollishill, SKIRVING in Newhall, MILLER in Danskine, &c. The estate of Newtonhall has been long in the possession of the HAY NEWTONS, a branch of the TWEEDDALE family. One of the old Lairds was a Lord of Session, and sat on the bench under the title of Lord Newton. He was one of the characters of the Parliament House in olden times. Newtonhall estate contains the fine farms of Longnewton, Kidlaw, Leehouses, Skedsbush, etc.> Not sure if John was seriously interested in listing the occupants of the farms or filling the pages with the names of his sponsors <lol> Regards George Wallace

Good evening I can thoroughly recommend the following site and it's links for old maps. Http://www.medievalscotland.org/ Regards George Wallace

Dear All: While this is a Scotland List , many of the ancestors left here to go to the Colonies and start a new life. They maintained their interest in Scotland and also made a great impact on the founding of the New United States of America. Some volunteers from the society of the Daughters of the American Revolution ( DAR) have established a wonderful new program for users of Rootsweb. These volunteers will do lookups in their database and records if you think one of your ancestors served in some capacity during the American Revolution. These volunteers have more databases that are available to them than the ones commonly used by the search engines. The process is fairly simple : Go to the DAR message board: There are two ways to do that: > www.rootsweb.com > message boards > topics > organizations and societies > DAR Or if you want the easy way :-) http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.dar Address your message as follows: subject : DAR Lookup > surname> location > dates ( put your data in this format) In the body of the message put the information regarding the person. Please put one search per post please. Be sure to fill out the surnames box at the bottom since the new search engine will be keying on that item. Leave the email response box checked and you will be notified when the DAR volunteers respond . Give them a week or so to get to your request. We really appreciate their efforts. This info can be key for: a: joining these prestigious organizations ( DAR & SAR) b: sending a request for the copies of the files that were submitted and the information they have available. Many thanks to: Glenda Thompson DAR VIS Volunteer Vice Chrm. Patriot Lookup for organizing this effort and all the many volunteers that are donating their time and effort to us instead of pursuing their own ancestors, Best Regards John A Hansen DAR board admin. BTW: Please forward this message to other lists and boards that each of you are involved in. A word of thanks to each volunteer that does this work and especially the one that responds to your post would probably be highly appreciated. JAH

Hi there Was not sure how to do this I have a new e mail addy and need to let you know so that you will send to it instead of my old one which was [email protected] My new one is [email protected] I hope that I have done this right . Thanks Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pringle,Grieve Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/975.270 Message Board Post: Was your William Pringle b ca 1726 related to Marion Pringle who married George Grieve and had children in Dirleton,East Lothian ?

I too would be interested in finding out about records of Shoemakers. Thanks. Sheena Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olwen Fenton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:06 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Allen & Stuart Haddington > Seeking info on John Stuart & wife Mary Allen. John was a master shoemaker & > died prior to his son Wm's marriage in 1878. other ch all b Haddington > Jane (1857) Margaret (1860) George Alexander (1861) David 1866 > Family legend tells of another brother Walter- neither Wm's or Walter's > births are recorded. Do any records of Master Shoemakers exist ? > TIA > Olwen Fenton >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hogg, Denton, Plumlee, Harris, Kendall, Butler, Clinton, Neill Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1011.2.2 Message Board Post: Tammy, Maybe we are related. I am descended from Gideon Hogg, Mourning Hogg, Abraham Denton, and Phobe Denton. It appears Phobe and Abraham Denton were brother and sister, and they married into both the Hogg and Plumlee Families. I have nothing past Gideon Hogg. (only the 8 generations forward. He was my 6th Great Grandfather.) Are these names you mentioned in your post pretty reliable? Have you tried checking any of them out, or ask the person that posted them where they got the information? It is great to have these names, but I want my chart to be correct, as I am sure you do too. My friend and I share this site, so please contact me at [email protected] Thanks so very much, Sharron

Seeking info on John Stuart & wife Mary Allen. John was a master shoemaker & died prior to his son Wm's marriage in 1878. other ch all b Haddington Jane (1857) Margaret (1860) George Alexander (1861) David 1866 Family legend tells of another brother Walter- neither Wm's or Walter's births are recorded. Do any records of Master Shoemakers exist ? TIA Olwen Fenton

Good evening list Does anyone know if Edinburgh Coroners Records for the years 1888 - 1908 are available and are they indexed?? Many thanks Derek (Nelson)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/372.854.1 Message Board Post: I have , Alexander JEFFREY marr to Euphemia SCOTT June 1819, Melrose. Alexander was a Hind, who was dead by 1832. His children were born around Melrose, Roxburghshire, & ? in Selkirkshire. After the death of Alexander, his widow moved to Stow, Midlothian. His eldest son James JEFFREY married to Janet Falside, & died Jan. 1898 age 76 yrs., a Gardener. John Jeffrey son, was the informant. 1861 census shows this John age 11 months, born Melrose.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/747.1.2 Message Board Post: Further to my previous reply, in Jan., I have mislaid the transcription of the marr. of Robert HOGG & Ann DAVIDSON. All I have is my note, they married St. Georges Edinburgh, in 1871. As Ann was born 1827, Pencaitland, she was unlikely to have had children after the marr. possibly there were some prior to marriage. Ann's parents, George DAVIDSON a Collier, who died 1832 in Pencaitland, age 38 yrs., & Marion maiden surname KING.

Good morning fellow listers, Would a very very kind and generous person be able to look-up the 1841 or 1851 census for me. I'm trying to find a place of birth for JAMES AITCHESON b circa 1810 and his wife ISOBELLA, they were living at Garvald at the time with possibly 4 children, ISOBELLA, JAMES, MARGARET and JEAN. also if it is not too much trouble, is this family also living at Garvald ALEXANDER AITCHESON and wife ANN, I'm not sure how many children there would be. I think he may have been the brother of James. Thanking you in advance Therese Galanakis Kythera Greece.

Dear All: There is a new and really nice web site for the Arbuthnott Surname and the Clan Arbuthnott at: http://www.kittybrewster.com/ There is also a Mailing list and Message boards for the Surname and the Clan Arbuthnott as well. Best Regards John A Hansen

Greetings fellow listers I am searching for some of my wife's BEATTIE ancestors, and in particular I am looking for the record of the birth, marriage & death of one Walter BEATTIE - Saddler of North Berwick, born ca.1778 and died before 1848. (His widow and some children emigrated to NZ in 1848/49) He was married to Margaret THOMSON, born ca. 1782 and died in Dunedin (NZ) in 1867. I am also trying to trace Margaret's ancestry as well and suspect an IRVINE connection somewhere). Their family consisted of at least 8 known children, as follows:- Rachel BEATTIE - born ca. 1804 - (May have married an IRVINE) ? John BEATTIE - born ca. 1807 - ? William BEATTIE - born ca. 1809 - ? James BEATTIE - born ca. 1812 - ? Janet Irvine BEATTIE - born ca. 1814 - Married James MCMURTRIE & died 1896 in Dunedin (NZ) Margaret BEATTIE - born ca. 1816 - Married Peter Haywood THOMSON and died 1868 at Port Chalmers (NZ) Joseph BEATTIE - born ca. 1820 - ? Jean (Jane) BEATTIE - born ca. 1824 - Married to John PROUDFOOT & died of cholera in 1848 whilst on voyage to NZ Has anyone come across, or have connections to this particular family? Regards Bruce Cavanagh Gore - New Zealand

Have finally worked out that if you open a spreadsheet in your current word processing programme, you can downlad your seaches in 'CSV' format, copy and paste into your spreadsheet. Would have saved many trees if I'd realised sooner Happy Hunting Carol in NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/372.855.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Dear Anthony: Please excuse the long delay in thanking you for sending me information regarding John Jeffrey and George Jeffrey of Berwick and their daughters. I appreciate the informtion very much. Thank you. Sincerely, Carole H. Melson, Marietta, Georgia USA.