Hi there is there a kind lister who could have a look for the following people please, all are hopefully in East Lothian at this stage BARRIE Henry b 1845 Prestonkirk BARRIE Robert b 1848 Prestonkirk BARRIE George b 1863 Prestonkirk May all be together if I am lucky also MOFFAT Thomas b 1838 Prestonkirk Thanks in advance Carol in NZ

Looking for SKEAD, SKED and SIMPSON in Dunbar 1770s to 1850s - can anyone please tell me what resources are available or make any recommendations I have the 1881 census and the other place I looked was the reel on deaths for Dunbar for the independent church. Did find two babies who died in the 1820 era. That was some years ago so wondering what might be about now. Thanks regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens, NSW ______________________________________ Scanned and protected by Inflex http://pldaniels.com/inflex

I have an outage to, message says until 5:00 am Moutain Standard Time Liz -----Original Message----- From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2002 6:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] LDS site ?? Anyone else having trouble accessing this site or is it just me ???? Carol ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== Have you checked out GenUKI? The URL for the East Lothian page of this fine site is http://freespace.virgin.net/david.howie/genuki/ELN/index.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1081.2 Message Board Post: Hi Heather: 1881 Census for Cockburnspath, Berwick Dwelling: Penmansheil Census Place: Cockburnspath, Berwick Source:FHlFilm 0224029 GRORef Volume 731 EnumDist2 Page11 James Oliver W 54 M born Innerwick, Haddington Head Was Married to Janet Davidson 6 June 1856 Shepherd James Oliver U 20 M born Coldingham, Berwick B.20Nov.1860 Son Ag Lab Elisabeth Robertson Oliver U 17 F Coldingham B. 9 Mar.1863 Daur Out Worker Walter Oliver 15 M Coldingham,Berwick B. 24 April 1865 Son Out worker John Oliver 13 M Cockburnspath,Berwick B. 30 Nov.1867 Son Scholar William Oliver 11 M Cockburnspath, B. 5 July 1869 Son Scholar Sarah Mary Oliver 9 F Caithness B. 20 May 1871 Daur Scholar Thomas Oliver 7 M Caithness B. 5 Nov. 1873 Son Scholar Elisabeth Oliver U 56 F Innerwick, Haddington Sister Housekeeper >From the IGI Andrew Oliver B. 4 Jan. 1857, Coldingham There is an Andrew Oliver 23 living at Dwelling, Ecclaw, Cockburnspath, Berwick home of Robert Welsh. He is an Asst. Shepherd David Oliver B. 4 Nov. 1858 Coldingham A David Oliver 21 lives at: Dwelling: Dowlaw Farm Cottage Coldingham, Berwick Mary Davidson U 54 F Innerwick, Haddington She was the sister of Janet Davidson Oliver Head Housekeeper Elizabeth Ramage W 39 F Whittingham, Haddington Sister Ag Ser Alexander Ramage 5 M Garvald, Haddington Nephew Stephen Ramage 4 M Coldingham, Berwick Nephew David Oliver U 21 M Coldingham, Berwick Nephew Ag Lab Hope this helps, Elinor

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1082.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Pamela: Here is the 1881 census for Chirnside, Berwick Dwelling: Crowbutt Census Place: Chirnside, Berwick Source:FHL Film 0224029 GRO Ref Volume 730 EnumDist 4 Page 3 Neil McLean M 48 M Born Durnish, Inverness Head-- Married 13 June 1856, Gladsmuir Masons Labourer Catherine McLean M 47 F Born Durnish, Inverness Wife Labourers Wife Ann McLean U 24 F Born Gladsmuir, Haddington B. 23 Mar.1857 Daur Farm Servant Flora McLean U 20 F Born Durnish, Inverness B. 5 Jul. 1860 Daur Mill Worker Catherine McLean U 18 F Born Durnish, Inverness B. 29May1862 Daur Farm Servant John McLean U 15 M Born Old Hamstocks, Berwick B.21May1866 Son Farm Servant Alexander McLean 13 M Cockburnspath, Berwick B22Dec.1867 Son Scholar Margaret McLean 11 F Whitsome, Berwick B. 3 Oct. 1869 Daur Scholar Angus McLean 9 M Edrom, Berwick B. 27 Aug. 187l Son Scholar Peter McLean 8 M Edrom, Berwick, B. 14 Feb. 1873 Son Scholar Christina McLean 5 F Whitsome, Berwick Daur William McLean 1 M Swinton, Berwick. Grandson >From the IGI, Christina McLean B. 2 May 1866, Gladsmuir I hope this helps, Elinor.

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Thanks, Elinor...I would love to have the info...also I'll check the websites you gave me....Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: Oliver, James > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1081.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Heather: > > There is 1881 census information on James Oliver, it has him B. Innerwick, Haddington in about 1827. Checked the IGI, found no birth for him or his sister Elisabeth living with them. If you want this information, just let me know. > > Best Wishes, > Elinor. > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Colin Do you have a Lyall / Renton connection. M y great aunt married a Renton and I seem to remember the name Lyall but maybe it was a daughter who married a Lyall. Sheila

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1082.1 Message Board Post: Hi Pamela: There is 1881 census information on Neil McLean and Catherine McMillan and family. I can send it if you don't have it. Best wishes, Elinor.

David THOMSON and Magdalene MORTON were my 2x great grandparents. David was born about 1808 in HADDINGTON, possible parents David Thomson and Janet Cummings. Magdalene Morton was born at ATHELSTANEFORD in 1804. David Thomson died 1850, Magdalene died in 1892, both in Haddington. David and Magdalene had 7 children, Margaret 1836, Janet 1838, Magdalene 1840, David 1844 (my great grandfather), Mary 1845, Euphemia 1847 and John 1849. Anyone out there with connections to this family? Would be happy to exchange details. Peter

William ROBERTSON and Sarah LEE were my 2x great grandparents. William was born in TRANENT in 1811, parents John ROBERTSON and Janet SWAN. Sarah LEE was born 1819 in Cowlay, Oxford. William and Sarah settled in DALKEITH where William was a Master Tailor and Clothier. She died 1860, he died 1890. They had at least 10 children: Janet 1838, Jane 1839, William 1840, Richard 1844, Mary 1846, Margaret Bow 1848 (my great grandmother), Sarah Ann 1850, Catherine 1854, Elizabeth 1855 and Isabella Esther 1858. Anyone out there with connection to this family? Would be happy to exchange details. Peter

Hi Carol, Had a look for your BARRIEs. The only Haddington birth showing in East Lothian is for Robert, born Haddington, age 35 a Bathmaker, wife Agnes, age 36 and son David, age 8. Would that be the correct family? Could your relations moved south? Your Thomas MOFFAT was easier to find. His birthplace is given as Prestonkirk, age 42, Head, Joiner, wife Marharet MOFFAT, age 41, born Crailing, Roxburgh, Scotland. Also son Alexander MOFFAT, age 15, born Edinburgh. Their address in 1881 was 16 Panmure Place, Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh. Hope this is of some help. Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] 1881 census lookup > Hi there is there a kind lister who could have a look for the following > people please, all are hopefully in East Lothian at this stage > BARRIE Henry b 1845 Prestonkirk > BARRIE Robert b 1848 Prestonkirk > BARRIE George b 1863 Prestonkirk > > May all be together if I am lucky > also > MOFFAT Thomas b 1838 Prestonkirk > Thanks in advance Carol in NZ > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello Carol Got various results but this is the only one which mentioned Prestonkirk as place of birth Dwelling: 16 Panmure Place Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224006 GRO Ref Volume 685-4 EnumDist 87 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas MOFFAT M 42 M Prestonkirk, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Joiner Margaret MOFFAT M 41 F Crailing, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander MOFFAT 15 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Kay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1081.1 Message Board Post: Hi Heather: There is 1881 census information on James Oliver, it has him B. Innerwick, Haddington in about 1827. Checked the IGI, found no birth for him or his sister Elisabeth living with them. If you want this information, just let me know. Best Wishes, Elinor.

Yes, I got my copy through the Lothians Family History Society http://www.lothiansfhs.org.uk/index.html of 'Prestonkirk the People of 1851' by Diane McNicoll I would recommend it. I have used it so many times not just in my own research but also with helping others Here is what I found re JAFFREY,JEFFREY,JEFFERIES 1/2 Old Waughton With RENNIE family Euphemia HARDIE servant b P?K 1833 to David HARDIE and Euphan JAFFREY 1/11 Redhouse Christina MILLER h Hospital Matron married P/K 1831 Thomas JEFFRIES b Yester 1795* father Peter JAFFREY mother Euphemia SWAN other members of household Robert JEFFRIES (JAFFRAY) b P/K 1834 Thomas JEFFRIES (JAFFRAY) b Asthenlford 1835 3/2 Traprain Nicol JAFFREY head 1851 Farm Steward 380 acres employing 12 ag labourers and 13 women born Longformacus, Berwickshire 1786 father John JAFFREY mother Isabel MILLAR parents married Longformacus 1781 1st marriage to Jean RAMSAY 2nd to Alison DARLING P/K 1830 Other members of household George JAFFREY son drapers assistant b P?K 1833 (in later census ie 1861 there is mention of Alexander, Nicol, William, and Thomas) 3/11 Traprain Margeret JAFFERY married to Alexander WOOD other details *sister of 3/2 Nicol 5/90 Browns Place 1861 A border with Thomson household Jane BROWN daughter of Peter BROWN and Agnes JAFFRAY There are more details which you will pick up Hope all this helps, Good luck Carol in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > Carol, > > Thanks you so much for this. It is the first partial confirmation of > what I had deduced to be the fact. I appreciate it muchly. Do you know > where I might get a copy of this book. > > Regards > Liz Hardie > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 1:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > > Hi Liz, 1st of all the book is made up from the 1851 census of > Prestonkirk > and then Diane and co have researched BDM's of lots of the community > 6/19 > refers to the enumeration district and page no (I think!!) > Usually the status of the woman of a head is widow, so it is > interesting > that this one says unmarried. > > The only other little snippet that I didn't put in is that for the > column > other details she has put f*2/2 David Hardie. The * means that this is > a > likely person > 2/2 refers to another family earlier in the book > These are those details > David HARDIE h 1851 married farmer 301 acres > b Salen, Kinglassie Fife 1798 father John mother Isabel COUSIN d > P/K > 1856 buried P/K Cemetery > Married Gladsmuir 1833 Christian Black b Kinglassie 1810 father > John > BLACK mother Catherine INGLIS > > Children > Catherine 1834 > Isabella 1838 > Christiana 1843 > Joseph 1846 > Ann 1848 > > There was one little snippet in the Conclusions > "Contrary to what is thought sometimes to be Victorian attitudes, > unmarried > Prestonkirk mothers and their children were clearly not abandoned or > cast > out. Children lived in the parish with their natural families, usually > their mother." > (McNicoll, p 4) > > You would have to lookup in the parish registers or the like to find out > the > "facts" (ha ha), it would also be wise to check the 1851 census for > yourself to confirm the accuracy of these details, I have found them to > be > OK so far, but one never knows... > > There are a few other JAFFREYs but I will have to look those up a little > later as my little people are calling, but I will not forget.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:03 PM > Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > > > > Carol, > > > > Thank you for that, I am wondering if you may be able to help with one > > other piece of information. I am now really confused. I notice it says > > unmarried next to Euphemias name. Is that a standard notation, if she > > was widowed would it say widowed. I am beginning to think that her > > relationship with David may have been commonlaw marriage. Are there > any > > other Jaffreys in Prestonkirk at that time. Also, the 6/19 Crauchie is > > there a specific meaning behind that. > > > > Liz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 10:59 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > > > > Hi I found this in my copy of 'Prestonkirk the People of 1851' by > > Diane > > McNicol > > 6/19 Crauchie > > Euphamia JAFFRAY (JEFFRAY) h 1851 status unmarried > > b Haddington c 1803 > > other members of 1851 household > > William HARDIE, son, ploughman b P/K 1833 > > Margeret RINTOUL neice unmarried born North Berwickshire 1824 to > > Margeret JEFFREY and James RINTOUL > > > > This is from page 174 > > Hope it helps > > Carol NZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:50 AM > > Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > > > > I have a euphemia jaffrey (born about 1811) who married my GGG > > > grandfather David Hardie in Prestonkirk, I have been unable to find > > any > > > records on her, including marriage or birth, the only notification > is > > on > > > the birth of her 2 children (twins - William & Euphan) in July 1833. > I > > > am assuming that she died in Childbirth. I am wondering whether > there > > is > > > any connection, I have deduced that her father may have been a Nicol > > > Jaffrey who was also the father of a Euphemia, Alexander, Nicol, > > > William, Thomas & George. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf > > > Of [email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2002 2:56 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > > Classification: Query > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/372.854.1 > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > I have , Alexander JEFFREY marr to Euphemia SCOTT June 1819, > Melrose. > > > Alexander was a Hind, who was dead by 1832. His children were born > > > around Melrose, Roxburghshire, & ? in Selkirkshire. After the death > of > > > Alexander, his widow moved to Stow, Midlothian. > > > His eldest son James JEFFREY married to Janet Falside, & died Jan. > > 1898 > > > age 76 yrs., a Gardener. > > > John Jeffrey son, was the informant. > > > 1861 census shows this John age 11 months, born Melrose. > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical > > > Accounts of Scotland online: > > http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Share your record transcripts by entering them Scotland BDM Exchange > > today. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/index.htm and see what > is > > already there. Let's build up the database! > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier > online > > at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier > online > at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical > Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Oldhamstocks, Ormiston, Pencaitland, Prestonkirk, Prestonpans, Saltoun, Spott, Stenton, Tranent, Tynninghame, Whitekirk, Whittinghame, Yester > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have not seen this family in my research. But then, I have nothing about the family prior to 1819, & that was the date of the Alexander JEFFREY / Euphemia SCOTT marr. in Melrose. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Hardie" <[email protected]> > I have a euphemia jaffrey (born about 1811) who married my GGG > grandfather David Hardie in Prestonkirk, I have been unable to find any > records on her, including marriage or birth, the only notification is on > the birth of her 2 children (twins - William & Euphan) in July 1833. I > am assuming that she died in Childbirth. I am wondering whether there is > any connection, I have deduced that her father may have been a Nicol > Jaffrey who was also the father of a Euphemia, Alexander, Nicol, > William, Thomas & George.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mclean Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1082 Message Board Post: looking for connections John Mclean & Ann McLean of Longniddry have a son Niel who in 1856 in Haddington married Catherine McMillian daughter of John McMillan and Catherine McLeod. they were from Setenhill any links

Hi Liz, 1st of all the book is made up from the 1851 census of Prestonkirk and then Diane and co have researched BDM's of lots of the community 6/19 refers to the enumeration district and page no (I think!!) Usually the status of the woman of a head is widow, so it is interesting that this one says unmarried. The only other little snippet that I didn't put in is that for the column other details she has put f*2/2 David Hardie. The * means that this is a likely person 2/2 refers to another family earlier in the book These are those details David HARDIE h 1851 married farmer 301 acres b Salen, Kinglassie Fife 1798 father John mother Isabel COUSIN d P/K 1856 buried P/K Cemetery Married Gladsmuir 1833 Christian Black b Kinglassie 1810 father John BLACK mother Catherine INGLIS Children Catherine 1834 Isabella 1838 Christiana 1843 Joseph 1846 Ann 1848 There was one little snippet in the Conclusions "Contrary to what is thought sometimes to be Victorian attitudes, unmarried Prestonkirk mothers and their children were clearly not abandoned or cast out. Children lived in the parish with their natural families, usually their mother." (McNicoll, p 4) You would have to lookup in the parish registers or the like to find out the "facts" (ha ha), it would also be wise to check the 1851 census for yourself to confirm the accuracy of these details, I have found them to be OK so far, but one never knows... There are a few other JAFFREYs but I will have to look those up a little later as my little people are calling, but I will not forget.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > Carol, > > Thank you for that, I am wondering if you may be able to help with one > other piece of information. I am now really confused. I notice it says > unmarried next to Euphemias name. Is that a standard notation, if she > was widowed would it say widowed. I am beginning to think that her > relationship with David may have been commonlaw marriage. Are there any > other Jaffreys in Prestonkirk at that time. Also, the 6/19 Crauchie is > there a specific meaning behind that. > > Liz > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 10:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > > Hi I found this in my copy of 'Prestonkirk the People of 1851' by > Diane > McNicol > 6/19 Crauchie > Euphamia JAFFRAY (JEFFRAY) h 1851 status unmarried > b Haddington c 1803 > other members of 1851 household > William HARDIE, son, ploughman b P/K 1833 > Margeret RINTOUL neice unmarried born North Berwickshire 1824 to > Margeret JEFFREY and James RINTOUL > > This is from page 174 > Hope it helps > Carol NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:50 AM > Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > I have a euphemia jaffrey (born about 1811) who married my GGG > > grandfather David Hardie in Prestonkirk, I have been unable to find > any > > records on her, including marriage or birth, the only notification is > on > > the birth of her 2 children (twins - William & Euphan) in July 1833. I > > am assuming that she died in Childbirth. I am wondering whether there > is > > any connection, I have deduced that her father may have been a Nicol > > Jaffrey who was also the father of a Euphemia, Alexander, Nicol, > > William, Thomas & George. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2002 2:56 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/372.854.1 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I have , Alexander JEFFREY marr to Euphemia SCOTT June 1819, Melrose. > > Alexander was a Hind, who was dead by 1832. His children were born > > around Melrose, Roxburghshire, & ? in Selkirkshire. After the death of > > Alexander, his widow moved to Stow, Midlothian. > > His eldest son James JEFFREY married to Janet Falside, & died Jan. > 1898 > > age 76 yrs., a Gardener. > > John Jeffrey son, was the informant. > > 1861 census shows this John age 11 months, born Melrose. > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical > > Accounts of Scotland online: > http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Share your record transcripts by entering them Scotland BDM Exchange > today. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/index.htm and see what is > already there. Let's build up the database! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier online > at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier online at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Carol, Thanks you so much for this. It is the first partial confirmation of what I had deduced to be the fact. I appreciate it muchly. Do you know where I might get a copy of this book. Regards Liz Hardie -----Original Message----- From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 1:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey Hi Liz, 1st of all the book is made up from the 1851 census of Prestonkirk and then Diane and co have researched BDM's of lots of the community 6/19 refers to the enumeration district and page no (I think!!) Usually the status of the woman of a head is widow, so it is interesting that this one says unmarried. The only other little snippet that I didn't put in is that for the column other details she has put f*2/2 David Hardie. The * means that this is a likely person 2/2 refers to another family earlier in the book These are those details David HARDIE h 1851 married farmer 301 acres b Salen, Kinglassie Fife 1798 father John mother Isabel COUSIN d P/K 1856 buried P/K Cemetery Married Gladsmuir 1833 Christian Black b Kinglassie 1810 father John BLACK mother Catherine INGLIS Children Catherine 1834 Isabella 1838 Christiana 1843 Joseph 1846 Ann 1848 There was one little snippet in the Conclusions "Contrary to what is thought sometimes to be Victorian attitudes, unmarried Prestonkirk mothers and their children were clearly not abandoned or cast out. Children lived in the parish with their natural families, usually their mother." (McNicoll, p 4) You would have to lookup in the parish registers or the like to find out the "facts" (ha ha), it would also be wise to check the 1851 census for yourself to confirm the accuracy of these details, I have found them to be OK so far, but one never knows... There are a few other JAFFREYs but I will have to look those up a little later as my little people are calling, but I will not forget.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > Carol, > > Thank you for that, I am wondering if you may be able to help with one > other piece of information. I am now really confused. I notice it says > unmarried next to Euphemias name. Is that a standard notation, if she > was widowed would it say widowed. I am beginning to think that her > relationship with David may have been commonlaw marriage. Are there any > other Jaffreys in Prestonkirk at that time. Also, the 6/19 Crauchie is > there a specific meaning behind that. > > Liz > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 10:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re Euphemia Jaffrey > > Hi I found this in my copy of 'Prestonkirk the People of 1851' by > Diane > McNicol > 6/19 Crauchie > Euphamia JAFFRAY (JEFFRAY) h 1851 status unmarried > b Haddington c 1803 > other members of 1851 household > William HARDIE, son, ploughman b P/K 1833 > Margeret RINTOUL neice unmarried born North Berwickshire 1824 to > Margeret JEFFREY and James RINTOUL > > This is from page 174 > Hope it helps > Carol NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Hardie <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:50 AM > Subject: RE: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > I have a euphemia jaffrey (born about 1811) who married my GGG > > grandfather David Hardie in Prestonkirk, I have been unable to find > any > > records on her, including marriage or birth, the only notification is > on > > the birth of her 2 children (twins - William & Euphan) in July 1833. I > > am assuming that she died in Childbirth. I am wondering whether there > is > > any connection, I have deduced that her father may have been a Nicol > > Jaffrey who was also the father of a Euphemia, Alexander, Nicol, > > William, Thomas & George. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > Of [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2002 2:56 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: john smart jaffrey > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/372.854.1 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I have , Alexander JEFFREY marr to Euphemia SCOTT June 1819, Melrose. > > Alexander was a Hind, who was dead by 1832. His children were born > > around Melrose, Roxburghshire, & ? in Selkirkshire. After the death of > > Alexander, his widow moved to Stow, Midlothian. > > His eldest son James JEFFREY married to Janet Falside, & died Jan. > 1898 > > age 76 yrs., a Gardener. > > John Jeffrey son, was the informant. > > 1861 census shows this John age 11 months, born Melrose. > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical > > Accounts of Scotland online: > http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Share your record transcripts by entering them Scotland BDM Exchange > today. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/index.htm and see what is > already there. 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