Thanks to all the Listers who responded to my question a week ago, both on- and off-List. Responses are still coming in and I was waiting to see what turned up before letting the Lists know. But I think I can now offer this summary: Like most of you, I'm sure, I have seen the phrase "eodem die" in baptism and marriage registers ever since I started research 35 years ago. I deduced that this meant "on the same day", and I assumed that "die" was "day". But recently, in reading the baptism OPR for Kirkwall, Orkney, I found an expression new to me: "Nata eodem", together with expressions like "nata 12th" or "N 10" etc. I assume that this is providing the date of birth, distinct from the date of baptism. I also assume that "Nata eodem" means "born the same day as the baptism". But the word "die" is always missing, so ... my original question was "does 'eodem' mean "on the same day" even without the "die"?" Barry - on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland, said: By typing in "eodem Latin" in Google I was led to : < http://www.xmission.com/~nelsonb/latin.htm > -A Latin Primer which tells: eodem anno = in the same year eodem die = on the same day eodem mense = in the same month Pam Arnold said: My trusty Latin dictionary says that 'eodem', an adverb, means 'to the same place, purpose, or person'. 'at the same time' = 'eodem tempore' or 'simul' Couldn't find 'on the same day'. Susan said: GENERAL LATIN VOCABULARY & ABBREVIATIONS Terms marked with an asterisk* are ones that tend to appear a lot and can be hard to find in standard dictionaries. In my opinion, they deserve a little extra attention. advocatus: lawyer; as an official, a mayor or town wójt advena: alien, foreigner; corrupta advena: non-Catholic foreigner (?) aetas: age; aetate: at the age of__ ancilla: servant, maid Anno Dni = Anno Domini, "year of our Lord" annorum: "of years," = age ao. = anno, "in the year" apoplexia: stroke apothecarius: druggist, shopkeeper arator: farmer, plowman auriga: coachman bannis: banns benedixi hoc matrimonium: I blessed this marriage ca. = circa "about" caelebs: single, bachelor capella: chapel caupo: innkeeper cerdo: day-laborer, tanner chirurgus: surgeon civis: citizen, burgher (= German Barger) *commendarius: pastor conjuges: married couple, spouses; c. f. l.= conjugum filius legitimus, legitimate son of a married couple consanguinarius: blood relative consensus: agreement, permission cooperator: assistant pastor copulatio: wedding, marriage coquus (masc.) or coqua (fem.): cook cor: heart cruditas: dyspepsia, indigestion curator: pastor, as an official, a supervisor; curator medici: doctor custos: guard; a custodian or supervisor d. d. = de dato (on this date) debilitas: weakness decanatus: deanery (subdivision of a diocese) decessit sine prole (d.s.p.): died without issue *deflor. = deflorata, "deflowered" *deft. = defunctus, "deceased" denatus: deceased *dictus: "said," i. e., called, known as" die: from dies, "on [such-and-such a] day" dies vitae: "day of life," i. e., age dioecesis: diocese dispensatio: dispensation for a marriage that would otherwise be against Church law Dmni = Domini, "of the lord" dolor: pain; dolore capitis: head pain; dolore pectoris: chest pain domicilium: domicile, legal residence dominus: lord (= Polish pan, German Herr) ducatus: duchy E. et O. R. = errore et omissione reservata,"error and omission reserved" E. R.= errore reservata, "error reserved" ead.= eadem, "the same" ecclesia: church economus: steward, estate official overseeing farm workers ejus: of that one = "his" or "hers" *-ensis: suffix added to the name of a town or village, e. g. cracoviensis = "of Kraków" eod. = eodem, "the same"; eod. q. supra= eodem quo supra: "the same day as above" (also in another dictionary - eodem: by the same (m. and n.) eques: knight eructatio: vomiting faber: smith, craftsman; faber ferri: blacksmith; faber lignarius: carpenter; faber murarius: mason, brick-maker famella: servant girl febris nervosa: "nervous fever" filia: daughter filius: son frater: brother gemellus, geminus: twin germanus: with the same parents habuit: had; habuit ultra 100 annorum: was more than 100 years old haeres: squire, landed proprietor, heir, heiress heri: yesterday hospes: innkeeper *hujatis: local (? < hujus, "of this [place]") ictus: stroke; fulmine ictus: struck by lightning ignotus: not known impedimentum: impediment to a marriage (legal reason against it) incola: inhabitant, day-laborer inquilinus: tenant, landless day-laborer juvenis: youth, young man, groom *levantes: godparents magister: teacher, master; magister civium: mayor; magister ludi: schoolmaster; magister stabuli: master of the stable majorennis: of legal age manu propria: in one's own hand marita: married woman, wife maritus: married man, husband materfamilias: "mother of the family" medicus: doctor, physician mendicus: beggar mensis: month One person suggested that it meant the child had died the same day as the baptism. But I found it applied to persons who I know lived their full "four score and ten", and long enough to lead to, well (ahem) MOI !! :-> I'm sure this isn't the last we will all hear of this, and I would welcome advice from anyone with more information to offer. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. 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