Dennis, I presume you've read the version of the battle in Calder's 'History'? although its noted as Kringelen. I makes fascinating reading along with the poem called 'The Massacre of Kringelen' If you want a copy of the poem I could copy it out for you if you havetn seen it. Regards Sara Donaldson http://members.aol.com/sjdancestry/home.htm