Thank you to everyone who replied re my query on the missing Mackay family. As suggested, I found them under Mac Kay. Space in the middle. Very odd! Again, thank you Joan Currie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/2002

Hello Listers Thank you to all those who answered my query about Strathnaven. I think I will go with Strathnaver even though it definitely looks like Strathnaven in the poem. The writer (Robert Laing GILLESPIE) however was born in Caithness and christened in Cannisbay and his brother, my g grandfather (James GILLESPIE), lived in Glengolly prior to his marriage and emigration to New Zealand. This is why I thought it might be in the Caithness area and why I asked on this list. Many thanks to all the helpful people on this list. Regards Jim Yeoman

Hello Liz The only D Shearer we can find in Old Wick is 933 Flat Stone D Shearer 1867 There is no trace of Barbara Shearer. Sorry not to be of more help Regards Peter and Edna Taylor in Adelaide South Australia M&LFHS 11075 CAITHNESS FHS 104 E-mail ptaylor@chariot.net.au Home Page www.chariot.net.au/~ptaylor Windows Messenger ptaylor@cobweb.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Thompson" <lizthompson99@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: MI for Shearer,Wick > Would SKS please look in the MI transcriptions for Barbara SHEARER, (nee Waters)died between 1857-1888 in Wick, I think, and her husband David SHEARER died 3 Aug 1888 in Wick. > > Thank you > > Liz Thompson > California/NZ > > >

Hello Allan In the Monumental Inscriptions for Watten 123 Flat Stone John Lyall 12.1856 72, w Cath Brock 6.1853 67. If you need location and plan of the burial ground please let us know. Regards Peter and Edna Taylor in Adelaide South Australia M&LFHS 11075 CAITHNESS FHS 104 E-mail ptaylor@chariot.net.au Home Page www.chariot.net.au/~ptaylor Windows Messenger ptaylor@cobweb.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan & Barbara Lyall" <ah-bjlyall@paradise.net.nz> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: MI for LYALL in Watten > I would really appreciate if SKS could look in the MI transcriptions for John LYALL d. Dec 1856 in Watten and his wife Catherine BROCK who d. June 1853.in Watten. > > Thanks, > Allan in N. Z. > > >

I would really appreciate if SKS could look in the MI transcriptions for John LYALL d. Dec 1856 in Watten and his wife Catherine BROCK who d. June 1853.in Watten. Thanks, Allan in N. Z.

Many thanks to all those listmembers who responded to my query. It was most kind of you to take an interest. Beat wishes. Stuart Edenbridge, Kent.

Hi Everyone, Janette - have you thought about the family being Free Church or other non-conformist? If they were you wont find them in the regular baptism records for the parish. They are all held in Edinburgh as far as I'm aware. Stuart - Mother-in-law could have meant two things, either step-mother or mother -in -law as we know it. I expect it's the latter though as in this area women are more often than not noted with their Maiden name. You'l find this on gravestones as well as documentation. Jim - Strathnaver is the land of the Mackays. You'll find it on the map south of Bettyhill, if you have a road map the B871 follows the line of the Strath. You should find the Statistical Accounts of Scotland at www.edina.ac.uk/StatAcc where you should be able to find out more information. Hope this helps Regards Sara Donaldson http://members.aol.com/sjdancestry/home.htm

Hi List I am having difficulty locating a place name which I think is in Caithness and I was hoping somebody on the list might be able to tell me where it is. In a poem about the country a Scottish emigrant (my g grandfather's brother) left behind he refers to "Strathnaven the land of MacKay". I cannot find it in any of my atlases and the only thing I found on a search engine was a reference to Strathnaven Museum in a tour of the Orkneys and the Western Highlands. Regards Jim Yeoman down under in New Zealand

In a message dated 2/2/02 4:02:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, SCT-CAITHNESS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:15:16 -0000 From: "Stuart Saunders" <sjsaunders@eurobell.co.uk> To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005301c1abca$3b7ee540$5c4e18d4@saunderslineone.net> Subject: Mother-in-Law Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Listmembers, In the 1851 Census I have a Janet HENDERSON shown as 'Mother-in-Law' to the head of the household, John AULD. Am I right in thinking this term had a different meaning then to its accepted meaning now as, to the best of my knowledge, John's wifes maiden name was SUTHERLAND? Your help would be much appreciated. Regards. Stuart, Edenbridge, Kent >> Stuart, Keeping in mind that the general practice in Scotland was for women to retain their maiden names throughout life, I suggest that Mr. Auld's wife's name was Sutherland, the name of her father, but that her mother's maiden name was Henderson. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada mcharrison@compuserve.com HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census.

Jim - I'm guessing that you may mean "Strathnaver" - literally the valley of the River Naver. The river flows from Loch Naver north to the Pentland Firth at Internaver. But if this is the reference, it is not Caithness, but rather Sutherland, although very close to the Sutherland/Caithness border to the west of Thurso. Try going to www.multimap.com and enter Strathnaver. Sheila In a message dated 2/2/02 3:16:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimy@hyper.net.nz writes: > I am having difficulty locating a place name which I think is in Caithness > and I was hoping somebody on the list might be able to tell me where it is. > In a poem about the country a Scottish emigrant (my g grandfather's > brother) left behind he refers to "Strathnaven the land of MacKay". > I cannot find it in any of my atlases and the only thing I found on a > search engine was a reference to Strathnaven Museum in a tour of the > Orkneys and the Western Highlands. >

Hello to eveyone , Mt greatgrandfather,William MacLeod was born at Portskerra,Parish of Reay...County SUT or CAI? in 1849. I'm unable to find a baptism for him but I obtained this year date from age at death and census age. His parents were Robert MacLeod,son of Robert MacLeod & Annnie Calder,fisherman of Portskerra & Henrietta MacKay.Both born/bapt in 1820 in Portskerra. According to census of 1861 Wm. (11) & brother Robert (5)were with Henrietta's parents Joseph MacKay & his wife Marion Sutherland.Brother Joseph (7) was with father Robert,a widower.Henrietta had died in 1857 after the birth of their daughter,Marion.Marion presumably died sometime between 1857 & 1861. I cannot find any of the MacLeods on 1881 census except for Wm ,married and living in Edinburgh. Is there anyone who has access to 1871 census for the Portskerra area who can locate Robert,(the father)b. 1820 Robert the son,b.abt 1856 or Joseph MacLeod b.abt 1854? Anyone with this family connection Hope to hear from someone!! Janette in Melbourne,Australia

Hello Listers, I recently learned that Kenneth Munroe Morrison was born in Wick in 1851. This is the man who sailed to South Africa and died there in 1887. If anyone knows of him or his family, please let me know. Beverly Moxley Tucson, AZ USA

Hello Listmembers, In the 1851 Census I have a Janet HENDERSON shown as 'Mother-in-Law' to the head of the household, John AULD. Am I right in thinking this term had a different meaning then to its accepted meaning now as, to the best of my knowledge, John's wifes maiden name was SUTHERLAND? Your help would be much appreciated. Regards. Stuart, Edenbridge, Kent

I've had a similar experience. In the 1851 census for Wick, Caithness, the widowed mother-in-law is listed in the household with her maiden name (Stephen) rather than her married name (Bruce). It may be the same for your listing. Don Munro Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Saunders" <sjsaunders@eurobell.co.uk> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:15 AM Subject: Mother-in-Law > Hello Listmembers, > > In the 1851 Census I have a Janet HENDERSON shown as 'Mother-in-Law' to the head of the household, John AULD. > Am I right in thinking this term had a different meaning then to its accepted meaning now as, to the best of my knowledge, John's wifes maiden name was SUTHERLAND? > Your help would be much appreciated. > > Regards. > > Stuart, > Edenbridge, Kent > >

Hi folks, update from Sue. Please support her good work Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Lund <sue@gil.com.au> To: <sct-caithness-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: sct bdm update > The SCT BDM Exchange site has been updated again - it now holds 10,704 > records. > > The Marriages and Banns section won't be updated until the format changes > to Active Server Pages - at the rate I'm going, it could be a couple of > months. But please continue to send your marriage and banns info in, as > it's being added to the database, just not being updated. > > To view the site, go to - > > http://www.sctbdm.com/ > > Cheers > Sue Lund > >

Would SKS please look in the MI transcriptions for Barbara SHEARER, (nee Waters)died between 1857-1888 in Wick, I think, and her husband David SHEARER died 3 Aug 1888 in Wick. Thank you Liz Thompson California/NZ

Hi George, I've been assured that Dorroch is the Gaelic phonetic spelling of Dallas, more or less. Im sure if there are any Gaelic speakers out there they can confirm this. Local accents can also help to change the names along with lack of standardised spelling that was common. Interestingly I've looked up the names in a couple of books I've got and they say this about the names.. DALLAS or DOLLAS are names derived from Scottish placenames (although it doesnt mention where). On the map I have there is a Dallas near Forres near the Moray coast which would fit with the note below. Reaney, in his 'Dictionary of English surnames' notes one form of Dallas as being from the old barony of Dallas in Moray. 'Scots kith and kin' notes DALLAS as being from Moray in the C13th a member of the Clan Macintosh, while DARROCH and DARRACH hail from Stirlingshire in the C15th and are of the Clan Macdonald. Hope this is of some use Regards Sara Donaldson in Caithness

Hi Joan Here is the entry you were looking for. Do the search for James Mc Kay (note the space between c and K born 1826 and it comes up. You will find that most of the Mc's are listed in the cd's with a space between the small c and the next letter. Dwelling: Porter Lodge Census Place: Duthil, Inverness, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203418 GRO Ref Volume 096-B1 EnumDist 2 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MC KAY M 55 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gamekeeper Ann MC KAY M 40 F Kildonan, Sutherland, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Gamekeepers Wife Jessie MC KAY U 18 F Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gamekeepers Daur James MC KAY 14 M Inverallan, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Barbara MC KAY 12 F Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Daut Occ: Scholar John MC KAY 8 M Abernethy, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Glad to be of help Regards Peter and Edna Taylor in Adelaide South Australia MLFHS 11075 CAITHNESS FHS 104 E-mail ptaylor@chariot.net.au Home Page www.chariot.net.au/~ptaylor ----- Original Message ----- From: "jocurrie" <jocurrie@optushome.com.au> To: "Peter Taylor" <ptaylor@chariot.net.au> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: 1881 CENSUS > Dear Peter, > Thank you very much for the offer. My copy is a few years old now so maybe > it is missing some entries. > The family is : > James Mackay - gamekeeper- b.c 1826 in Latheron Caithness. > His wife was Ann and children Elizabeth, Jessie, James, Barbara, John. > The census place was Kinveachie Lodge, Duthil, Inverness. > If my copy is missing some entries, that could explain various people I > can't find. > Much appeciated. > Regards, Joan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Taylor" <ptaylor@chariot.net.au> > To: "jocurrie" <jocurrie@optushome.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: 1881 CENSUS > > > > Hi Joan > > When we got our copy of the 1881 cd's the Scotish ones had to be replaced > > due to various entries being miss out. > > You might have the uptodate ones but if you let us know who you are > looking > > for I will check our copy for you. Please give as much information as you > > can about the family as we can do an advanced search to trace them. > > including the address if you have it. > > Regards > > Peter Taylor in Adeliade South Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jocurrie" <jocurrie@optushome.com.au> > > To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:13 PM > > Subject: 1881 CENSUS > > > > > > > A question that someone may be able to answer: > > > > > > Some years back I received a transcription from an agent- my Mackay > family > > on the 1881 census- all present and correct. > > > I now own the 1881 census CD's and cannot find the family anywhere. They > > have vanished! > > > How is this possible? > > > Joan - Sydney > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/2002 > >

Greetings All! While doing my research on our Caithness ancestors I came upon the confusion arround the Dorroch name.....it probably is spelled DALLAS as often as DARROCH in many of the records, in fact I'm not sure that DALLAS is not the correct root name!! If any of this is of interest I'll send what I have on the DALLAS family, some of whom migrated to Australia...... George Weston Suisun, CA

Hi Joan, I presume you are looking at the National Index for the Census on CD-Rom. As the name is Mackay try looking at all the variations available for the surname. Some could be M'Kay (a lot of enumerator used an apostrophe instead of a c), McKay, Macay and even one I found recently looking at another name....try looking at someone called say John M. Kay. The enumerator putting the M as a middle initial. There are a lot of transcription errors in the 1881 CD. You have to try every variation you can think of (and some you can't), as the transcribers usually had no knowledge of the area they are looking at. Some of the handwriting can be attrocious and there can be a lot of scoring over words that can make the job even more difficult. The major error is when looking at Sutherland county. It's in the first version of the CD as Sunderland (I dont know about more recent versions of the index). You have to remember that the index is no substitute for looking at the original or the microfilm copy of the original. If your agent was generally trust-worthy and produced work of a good quality then I'd go with the transcription he or she gave you. Regards Sara Donaldson