Dear George, The only Janet (Jane?) I have is Janet Dallas, daughter of John Dallas, and born November 1795. I'll be interested in your Jane (Dallas) Petrie if she was born around that year. Regards, Jenny Evans

With all this talk about Sutherlands I was wondering if anyone had a connection to a Janet SUTHERLAND m. John BUDGE (no dates sorry). They had one child Isabella BUDGE b. 26 Aug 1809 in Latheron, Caithness. She married James SINCLAIR, 1831. Not much info to go on I realise, but it is all I have at the moment. Thank you, Katherine SINCLAIR

Hi Janet Sutherland (Suthd. is recorded) married John Budge OM 2 Dec 1808 Latheron 38 0 1 8 Can't find any other children as yet. There are several Children born to a JOHN BUDGE in Latheron around that time 1808 - 1827 but no mother listed. There is also another one below for WICK- a marriage and 3 christening in Wick OPR Marriage BUDGE JOHN BUDGE JANET OM 30 NOV 1804 Wick 43 0 3 8 Children to BUDGE JOHN BUDGE JANET CHRISTIAN OC 14 DEC 1806 Wick BUDGE JOHN BUDGE JANET DONALD OC 3 JUL 1812 Wick BUDGE JOHN BUDGE JANET WILLIAM OC 15 JUN 1810 Wick Guess that is not yours. I get confused because I have John Budge married to Sutherland Cooper in Canisbay 1798 and children born Canisbay and Wick. Marriage BUDGE JOHN /COOPER SUTHERLAND OM 19 JAN 1798 Canisbay Children BUDGE JOHN SUTHERLAND WILLIAM OC 15 DEC 1798 Canisbay BUDGE JOHN SUTHD JANET OC 11 SEP 1815 Wick BUDGE JOHN SUTHERLAND CHARLOTTE OC 12 MAR 1813 Wick BUDGE JOHN SUTHERLAND DONALD OC 21 DEC 1805 Wick BUDGE JOHN SUTHERLAND JOHN OC 22 SEP 1801 Wick BUDGE JOHN SUTHERLAND MARGT OC 31 JAN 1810 Wick Perhaps someone else can come up with information to help both of us. Meanwhile I will keep your data to hand and let you know if I get anything. Tricia

Hi, I also may be related to the Dallas family of Caithness! My Great Grandmother was Catherine PETRIE, born about 1850 in Wick. She listed on her marriage certificate in 1872 (in Glasgow) to Andrew BAIN (of Fife) that her parents were George PETRIE and Elizabeth CAMPBELL both deceased by 1872. George was supposed to be a Blacksmith according to the marriage certificate but he may have been a shoemaker.....I can find no record of Catherine's birth in Wick in 1850/1 or of the marriage of her parents! However the oldest son of Jane DALLAS was a George PETRIE.......Jane DALLAS died in 1855 and is buried at the churchyard in Wick.....her son George is listed on her death certificate....if anyone can help me with this I'd certainly appreciate it! Two other George PETRIES are listed in the 1841 and 1851 census'....one is an Irish farm labourer and the other is a George PETRIE, oldest son of George PETRIE , shoemaker, and his wife Helen MALCOLM! I just don't know which branch is mine....any thoughts? George Weston Suisun, CA USA

Hello everyone, I have been in touch with a Calvin Jenson from Canada. I attach a copy of his message below. The watch is worth $500 CDN as he has now had it valued. What is Tormore? My great grandfather was William Sutherland but I am sure there were many at this time. If anyone can help please get in touch. Thanks Anna I am looking for someone's help me solving a bit of a mistery. When my grandmother passed away in the mid 1980's she passed on to me a gold pocket watch. She received this watch from her older brother, Thurlow Dunlop. How he came to have it is unknown. In honesty, the watch has been sitting in a chest on my bedroom dresser for the past 15 years with me taking little interest in it. This past Christmas I decided to study the watch more closely. This is what I found. On the inside of the back cover of the watch is the following inscription: "Presented to Mr. Wm. Sutherland by his friends and neighbours as a token of respect on his leaving Tormore, Dunbeath, Caithness. 1907" The watch was made by C. W. C. Co. and has a serial number. There are many other very small numerical inscriptions on the inside of this front cover, scratched by hand - not stamped. On the inside of the inner cover it states that the watch is composed of two plates of 14 Kt gold, has 17 jewels p! lus other information about the watch. Although the time peace is not working, it appears to be in fantastic condition. I am in the process of getting it repaired, cleaned, and appraised. One watch maker in Edmonton told me that he thought that it might have a value of $5000 CDN. What I would really like to do is get this watch back into the hands of someone who would attach some real meaning to this artifact - a relative perhaps. I know that the Clan Sutherland is big in your part of the world, and that there are people who are devoted to keeping an accurate record members, clan history, etc. Perhaps this watch would hold an important place in this history. Who William Sutherland was, and how he fits into that history is completely unknown to me. I suspect that my great uncle and he were friends around the turn of the century.

Hello Folks Late last year I managed a visit to the National Archives of Scotland. I got photocopies of some of the material below, the rest I copied down. I am now beginning to type it up. I hope to post in on the web to make it accessible to others at some point. I need to check the copy write issue with NAS first probably. I can in the mean time look up stuff if you send details. 1. Sinclair of Freswick Papers - Arrears of Rent - Estate of Dunbeath GD136/850/1 1809 57 - Individuals and place of tenancy /3 1811 78 - Individuals and place of tenancy /4 1812 75 - Individuals and place of tenancy /6 1813 89 - Individuals and place of tenancy /13 1819 119 - Individuals and place of tenancy /17 1822 245 - Individuals and place of tenancy /18 1823 253 - Individuals and place of tenancy GD136/898/8 1826 228 - Individuals and place of tenancy /15 1833 110 - Individuals and place of tenancy 2. Decreet of Removing - Estate of Dunbeath - Sinclair of Freswick Papers GD136/282 1820 214 - Individuals and place of tenancy 3. Summons of Removing - Estate of Dunbeath - Wick Sheriff Court Records SC14/4/174 1825 57 - Individuals and place of tenancy (Estate of Sinclair of Freswick) 4. Summons of Removing - Estate of Braemore - Wick Sheriff Court Records SC14/4/170 1824 14 - Individuals and place of tenancy (Estate of Sir R A Anstruther) 5. Rental of the Caithness Estates of Robert Anstruther - 1816/17 Court of Session Productions - CS96/220 Watten 55 - Individuals and place of tenancy Dunn 36 - Individuals and place of tenancy Braemore 13 - Individuals and place of tenancy 6. Spinning Book of William Henderson of Dunbeath c1800/01 Court of Session Productions - CS96/2269 About 142 names, although some may be duplicates. (Writing was very hard to decipher). Regards Alasdair Macdonald -----Original Message----- From: Tricia Barnett [mailto:Tricia_Barnett@BTInternet.com] Sent: 18 February 2003 15:16 To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: re;Dalevaich Hi Alasdair. Interested in you reply below. What are these records? Are they available on internet? My Campbell ancestors were from Latheron around that time. Tricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" <afmac@blueyonder.co.uk> To: < Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: re;Dalevaich > Hi Chris > > Dalvaich or Dalevaich was located in the Strath of Dunbeath, Latheron. > I have a rental of 1811 which records a William Keith, Dalevaich. > I have other rentals and summons of removing for the Dunbeath Estate > which I will look up for you. > > Regards > Alasdair Macdonald > >

Hi Alasdair. Interested in you reply below. What are these records? Are they available on internet? My Campbell ancestors were from Latheron around that time. Tricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" <afmac@blueyonder.co.uk> To: < Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: re;Dalevaich > Hi Chris > > Dalvaich or Dalevaich was located in the Strath of Dunbeath, Latheron. > I have a rental of 1811 which records a William Keith, Dalevaich. > I have other rentals and summons of removing for the Dunbeath Estate > which I will look up for you. > > Regards > Alasdair Macdonald > >

I forgot to mention that the William Sutherland I found in Canada was married to a Christina Dunlop. Kate Fraser Haas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna R MacLeod-Adams" <anna_macleod@talk21.com> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Tormore, Dunbeath > Hello everyone, > > I have been in touch with a Calvin Jenson from Canada. I attach a copy of his message below. The watch is worth $500 CDN as he has now had it valued. > What is Tormore? My great grandfather was William Sutherland but I am sure there were many at this time. If anyone can help please get in touch. > > Thanks > > Anna > > > > > I am looking for someone's help me solving a bit of a mistery. When my grandmother passed away in the mid 1980's she passed on to me a gold pocket watch. She received this watch from her older brother, Thurlow Dunlop. How he came to have it is unknown. In honesty, the watch has been sitting in a chest on my bedroom dresser for the past 15 years with me taking little interest in it. This past Christmas I decided to study the watch more closely. This is what I found. On the inside of the back cover of the watch is the following inscription: "Presented to Mr. Wm. Sutherland by his friends and neighbours as a token of respect on his leaving Tormore, Dunbeath, Caithness. 1907" The watch was made by C. W. C. Co. and has a serial number. There are many other very small numerical inscriptions on the inside of this front cover, scratched by hand - not stamped. On the inside of the inner cover it states that the watch is composed of two plates of 14 Kt gold, has 17 jewels p! > lus other information about the watch. Although the time peace is not working, it appears to be in fantastic condition. > I am in the process of getting it repaired, cleaned, and appraised. One watch maker in Edmonton told me that he thought that it might have a value of $5000 CDN. What I would really like to do is get this watch back into the hands of someone who would attach some real meaning to this artifact - a relative perhaps. I know that the Clan Sutherland is big in your part of the world, and that there are people who are devoted to keeping an accurate record members, clan history, etc. Perhaps this watch would hold an important place in this history. Who William Sutherland was, and how he fits into that history is completely unknown to me. I suspect that my great uncle and he were friends around the turn of the century. > > >

I went through my 1881 census disc for Caithness and came up with only one out of 177 William Sutherland s who lived at Tormore. Here is he and his family listed below. If one goes to familysearch.org and looks up the William Sutherland born in 1844, there are 2 but only one with a mother whose name is Christina. So he is the son of Benjamin Sutherland and Christina Gunn. They had several children, one of whom was Angus Sutherland who is shown married to a Helen Gilmour McCalman in 1867 when she was 20. She was born in Latheron to Hugh McCalman and Ursula Gilmour. Helen and Angus do not show up on the 1881 census, so maybe they emigrated. Maybe your grandfather William was a brother or cousin to Angus and the William of Tormore. If William left Tormore in 1907, maybe he emigrated to join them. I see it as significant that he was giving a watch that indicates he was leaving. Sounds very momentous. Am happy to try and help more. Dwelling: Township Of Tormore Census Place: Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203401 GRO Ref Volume 038 EnumDist 15 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SUTHERLAND U 37 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer & Carrier Christina SUTHERLAND W 69 F Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Mother John SUTHERLAND U 29 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Clerk (Mercantile) David SUTHERLAND U 26 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Student Of Divinity Jane SUTHERLAND U 58 F Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Aunt John SUTHERLAND U 26 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Thomas SHEARER U 19 M Latheron, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Regards, Kate Fraser Haas ( father Hugh Fraser from Caithness) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna R MacLeod-Adams" <anna_macleod@talk21.com> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Tormore, Dunbeath > Hello everyone, > > I have been in touch with a Calvin Jenson from Canada. I attach a copy of his message below. The watch is worth $500 CDN as he has now had it valued. > What is Tormore? My great grandfather was William Sutherland but I am sure there were many at this time. If anyone can help please get in touch. > > Thanks > > Anna > > > > > I am looking for someone's help me solving a bit of a mistery. When my grandmother passed away in the mid 1980's she passed on to me a gold pocket watch. She received this watch from her older brother, Thurlow Dunlop. How he came to have it is unknown. In honesty, the watch has been sitting in a chest on my bedroom dresser for the past 15 years with me taking little interest in it. This past Christmas I decided to study the watch more closely. This is what I found. On the inside of the back cover of the watch is the following inscription: "Presented to Mr. Wm. Sutherland by his friends and neighbours as a token of respect on his leaving Tormore, Dunbeath, Caithness. 1907" The watch was made by C. W. C. Co. and has a serial number. There are many other very small numerical inscriptions on the inside of this front cover, scratched by hand - not stamped. On the inside of the inner cover it states that the watch is composed of two plates of 14 Kt gold, has 17 jewels p! > lus other information about the watch. Although the time peace is not working, it appears to be in fantastic condition. > I am in the process of getting it repaired, cleaned, and appraised. One watch maker in Edmonton told me that he thought that it might have a value of $5000 CDN. What I would really like to do is get this watch back into the hands of someone who would attach some real meaning to this artifact - a relative perhaps. I know that the Clan Sutherland is big in your part of the world, and that there are people who are devoted to keeping an accurate record members, clan history, etc. Perhaps this watch would hold an important place in this history. Who William Sutherland was, and how he fits into that history is completely unknown to me. I suspect that my great uncle and he were friends around the turn of the century. > > >

Hi Chris Dalvaich or Dalevaich was located in the Strath of Dunbeath, Latheron. I have a rental of 1811 which records a William Keith, Dalevaich. I have other rentals and summons of removing for the Dunbeath Estate which I will look up for you. Regards Alasdair Macdonald

Entry 185 in the Monumental Inscriptions for Latheron states "Alex Keith, Dalvaich..". Anyone know what Dalvaich means? I've entered it into Internet search engines and got no hits whatsoever. I'm guessing that it's the name of a house or location somewhere in the Parish of Latheron. Regards, Chris Macneill

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bwickham/scotpar.htm According to the site above Dalavich {no second a} is a Parish of Argyll. I found many mores matches through Google with this alternate spelling. Hope this Helps! tamiz ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Macneill To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: What, who or where is Dalvaich? Entry 185 in the Monumental Inscriptions for Latheron states "Alex Keith, Dalvaich..". Anyone know what Dalvaich means? I've entered it into Internet search engines and got no hits whatsoever. I'm guessing that it's the name of a house or location somewhere in the Parish of Latheron. Regards, Chris Macneill

Hi, I'm new to the list and would like to post my interest: Hoping to make contact with any other DINGWALL researchers with a CAITHNESS, Scotland connection. Particular interest in the descendants of Alexander Dingwall & Elizabeth Bain, married 1806 (Halkirk). Regards, Shane Preedy Rossland, BC shane&deb@telus.net

Hi All, I am excited to announce the launch of the Caithness Free Census Project. This is part of the larger UK Free Census Project - a world-wide project to make the UK Censuses between the years 1841 and 1891 available to researchers free of charge on the internet. This database will enable researchers to view details of the above mentioned census years to search by surname across census years and counties. I'm the county coordinator for Caithness County in Scotland and am in search of transcribers for all parishes in my county. All a transcriber needs to take part is a computer and access to a microfiche reader. We supply everything else including the film/fiche and the software. This project is a global on-line venture designed for ordinary family historians wherever they are, who would like to make a contribution to our great hobby. If you are interested in learning more, please contact me, Betty Martin, at martinmb@sk.sympatico.ca An overview of the UK FreeCEN project can be found at http://freecen.rootsweb.com and an overview of the Scotland FreeCEN project can be found at http://speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html Thank you Betty Martin FREECEN Co-Ordinator Caithness, Scotland Find Out How You Can Help http://freecen.rootsweb.com

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Hi, I am wondering if anyone had a Margaret Polson.....From census info she is from Sutherland. She married Charles Carter in Latheron, Caithness on February 14, 1829. Margaret died April 4, 1887. I have Margaret Polson's parents as William Polson and Margaret Sutherland. Would love to hear if anyone had any connections or information. Thanks Anna http://www.macleod-family-tree.co.uk

Hi Iain, Thanks for pointing that out, yes Catharine was a Robertson sorry about that mistake. Does anyone know where Shinnins and Balneceil are? And has anyone got any idea why she maybe known as Manson and not Swanson. I see from dates that she was pregnant before she married - Where could Manson have come from ? Maybe if she was said to be from Caithness at the Christening then the birth details I have for her are correct. Has anyone got any ideas? Thanks Anna www.macleod-family-tree.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] Swanson > Hi Anna, > I don't have any connection with the Swansons but I did notice something odd about the info. you posted. Would not a child of John Robertson and Susanna Swanson be, for example, Catherine Robertson? > > I see the marriage of these people in the Durness OPR, Sept 22, 1809. He is described as a shepherd in Shinnins and she is from Balnaceil. However, there is a note in the margin to say that she is described as Susanna Manson when the baptism of their daughter, Isobel, is recorded 28 Mar, 1810. She is then described as being from Caithness. > > Ian in Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna R MacLeod-Adams > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:07 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SUT] Swanson > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone else had any links to Swanson in Durness and Thurso? > > I have a Catharine Swanson whose parents were Susanna/Susan Swanson and John (Jock) Robertson...who married in Durness in 1809. > > I have a possible birth of Susan Swanson in Thurso in 1788 parents being Donald Swanson and Catherine Sutherland. > > I am not sure if these are the correct parents but are the only ones I can come up with on Scotlandspeople. > > Can anyone help? > > Thank you. > > > Anna > > > > > www.macleod-family-tree.co.uk > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Davie, I don't think I have any connection to Bruce, but I do have connections to the Keith name in the Latheron area. I can't seem to find any information about your Angus Keith, other than his marriage to Jane Bruce in 1871. He doesn't seem to be in the 1881 Census anywhere in Scotland. Perhaps you could supply more details on Angus and his parents/siblings/offspring? I am the 2nd Great Grand-Nephew of Elizabeth Bain b. 12th May 1839 in Latheron m. William Keith 24th June 1859 in Latheron. William Keith b. 25th July 1836 in Latheron was the son of George Keith and Margaret McKenzie. I have no other information on William's parents or siblings. There were 15 Keith children born in Latheron between 1800 and 1854, but Angus doesn't appear among them. From the parents names there would appear to be only 5 or 6 families. In addition to the Keith/Bain link, there appears to be a Keith/Dallas link. As there were very few Dallas individuals in Caithness I believe I'm probably related to most if not all. The individuals concerned are Campbell Keith and Janet Dallas. Janet's father is John, but her birth pre-dates my ancestor John Dallas's marriage to his only known spouse (Elspeth Barnie). Regards, Chris Macneill -----Original Message----- From: Davie MacLeod [mailto:davie_54uk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 07 February 2003 13:17 To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Bruce (Jane) Has anyone got a connection with the Bruce family of Latheron 1850's Looking for info on Jane Bruce b. about 1852 in Latheron Married on 22 December 1871 in Latheron to Angus Keith b. about 1848 in Latheron These are my g/grandparents and not got past Jane on that side. All, any, help gratefully accepted ! Davie MacLeod. Researching the names Keith,Bruce !, Ganson, MacKay,Sinclair and Shearer with main name base being in the parish of Latheron. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003

Dear Listers, If some kind person has access to the 1891 census I should greatly appreciate a lookup for John BARNETSON, aged about 11. He should be in Wick and I think the census reference might be O43/014. Any details of others in the household would be most welcome. Many thanks in advance. Stuart, Edenbridge, Kent

Has anyone got a connection with the Bruce family of Latheron 1850's Looking for info on Jane Bruce b. about 1852 in Latheron Married on 22 December 1871 in Latheron to Angus Keith b. about 1848 in Latheron These are my g/grandparents and not got past Jane on that side. All, any, help gratefully accepted ! Davie MacLeod. Researching the names Keith,Bruce !, Ganson, MacKay,Sinclair and Shearer with main name base being in the parish of Latheron. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003