Maybe they were different religions, or maybe they had a ceremony for each family. Thank God they dont all do that. Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Wolf" <lawolf@hotkey.net.au> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Married twice, one week apart? > Hi everyone > > I think I may have found my James TAIT on the IGI, but need some advice. > > James TAIT married Elizabeth MACKAY, 02 Jun 1815 Latheron, Caithness > & one week later > James TAIT married Betty MACKAY, 09 Jun 1815 Halkirk, Caithness > > Is this likely to be the same couple? And if so, would they have married twice > because they came from different parishes, holding a ceremony in both? If > such was the case, which parish is likely to have been the groom's & which > the bride's? > > Any suggestions welcome > > regards > > Lyn Wolf > Manangatang Vic Australia >

Hi everyone I think I may have found my James TAIT on the IGI, but need some advice. James TAIT married Elizabeth MACKAY, 02 Jun 1815 Latheron, Caithness & one week later James TAIT married Betty MACKAY, 09 Jun 1815 Halkirk, Caithness Is this likely to be the same couple? And if so, would they have married twice because they came from different parishes, holding a ceremony in both? If such was the case, which parish is likely to have been the groom's & which the bride's? Any suggestions welcome regards Lyn Wolf Manangatang Vic Australia

Re: Mulitple marriages, Are we looking at a legal marriage, then a common-law one? Or two illegal ones with one man and two ladies here? Curious, Susie.

I have also found the same with marriages being in 2 places. I am only guessing, but I think it is because the couple live in different parishes and the banns are read in both parishes and probably the later one is the actual marriage. Cathy Goodwin

In a message dated 23/3/03 9:01:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, SCT-CAITHNESS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:29:54 +1100 > From: "Lyn Wolf" <lawolf@hotkey.net.au> > To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Married twice, one week apart? > > Hi everyone > > I think I may have found my James TAIT on the IGI, but need some advice. > > James TAIT married Elizabeth MACKAY, 02 Jun 1815 Latheron, Caithness > & one week later > James TAIT married Betty MACKAY, 09 Jun 1815 Halkirk, Caithness > > Is this likely to be the same couple? And if so, would they have married > twice > because they came from different parishes, holding a ceremony in both? If > such was the case, which parish is likely to have been the groom's & which > the bride's? > > Any suggestions welcome > > regards > > Lyn Wolf > Manangatang Vic Australia Lyn, It is probable that neither date is the marriage, and it is unlikely that you will ever find the marriage date. These dates will be the date of final reading of the banns in the home parish churches of the two persons. The marriage would probably have occurred a few days, weeks or months later. The best plan for you is to read the OPR for both parishes and see what the actual entries are. The IGI only contains the names & dates, but the OPR sometimes gives the residence and/or family connections of one or more of the persons. It is very likely that one or both of the OPR entries will say something like "x of this parish and y of the parish of z". Then you will know which parish each of the principals lived in and can concentrate searches there for earlier generations. Good Luck ........ Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census.

Hi there, I think it is your list, That has my name down to help people with there family tree, I've just been telling people who have contacted, that my computer disintergrated and I lost everything, except what I have printed out. over 1000 names and details. i am putting everything back, and come across a name of a person in USA who had helped me a lot with my tree. If you go into Mina Ostergard, just put that name on the internet, they are in USA. Mina and Larry have done their tree and have hundreds of names on it, most Scottish. there are hundreds of names on it. She also says There are some mistakes made in Salt lake City Re Robert MacKay and Jane Dunbar IS the same generation as Robert McKay who is posted as their son. The Ancestry of Anne Browne being the daughter of James Brown is also false There is another site www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8030 If you need any more help please give me a call. I am going to have a cup of tea now then get more of my lost infomation back on my new computer. When i have done it all, I will let you have it, It hase the Scottish Royals and all kinds in it. Bye Ann

It was common to record the marriage and the ceremony in each parish. To figure out who was from where, find out who was born in which parish. Kate Fraser Haas

Hi, Ordnance Survey has an extensive archive of more than 1.5 million maps dating from the mid 1800s to 1995 covering England, Wales and Scotland. You can find it at the address below under "Historical Mapping" http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ Happy hunting Valerie P. Oag, Address: Biggleswade, Beds, UK. Searching: OAGs -----Original Message----- From: Richard [mailto:rtstodd@btopenworld.com] Sent: 22 March 2003 13:19 To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SINCLAIR and COGHILL Caithness Hi all, Anyone know where I can find a Parish Map of Caithness please? I am researching SINCLAIR of Latheron ( Donald SINCLAIR 1-4-1871, his mother was Sidney, can't find father or grandparents) and COGHILL ( Alex COGHILL <1880>, Kirk, held a high up post at Wick harbour, married Mary THAIN, who were his parents? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003

Hi all, Anyone know where I can find a Parish Map of Caithness please? I am researching SINCLAIR of Latheron ( Donald SINCLAIR 1-4-1871, his mother was Sidney, can't find father or grandparents) and COGHILL ( Alex COGHILL <1880>, Kirk, held a high up post at Wick harbour, married Mary THAIN, who were his parents? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003

Hi Karolyn, I don't have any more information other than what I've already sent. Much of that information came over the Internet from Mary Clark. She is related to George CAMPBELL's daughter Catherine. I'm still trying to find if I'm related to their daughter Betty (Elizabeth). I'll copy this and your original email to Mary and the Caithness site in the hope that you'll get the information you're seeking! Good Luck, George Weston Suisun, CA

Kate I do not have a Margaret in the Rosegill line. There were a number of Calder families in the Dunnet area and I suspect they are related. > My gg grandmother Margaret Calder (b. 1823) came from Dunnet but I do not > know if it was from Rosegill farm. Witnesses to her marriage with John > Shearer in December 1849 were George Calder of Dunnet and Donald Shearer of > Canisbay. Any connections? > Kate Fraser Haas > Randy

Rosegill is a farm just north of Barrock in the parish of Dunnet, Caithness. My Calders farmed here for at least 2 and maybe more generations. The families of Malcolm Calder and later his son Micah were there from 1840 to 1880. Looking for any further information about the farm and the family. Randy Saylor

My gg grandmother Margaret Calder (b. 1823) came from Dunnet but I do not know if it was from Rosegill farm. Witnesses to her marriage with John Shearer in December 1849 were George Calder of Dunnet and Donald Shearer of Canisbay. Any connections? Kate Fraser Haas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Saylor" <r.saylor@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Rosegill, Dunnet > Rosegill is a farm just north of Barrock in the parish of Dunnet, Caithness. > > My Calders farmed here for at least 2 and maybe more generations. The > families of Malcolm Calder and later his son Micah were there from 1840 to > 1880. > > Looking for any further information about the farm and the family. > > Randy Saylor > >

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Hi Don, I'm not sure if I can be of help to you in your search, but will tell you what I have. Also, I will send a copy of this on to the RootsWeb Caithness site to see if anyone else might be able to help you. In the 1841 census for Caithness, Wick there is a listing for William CAMPBELL born abt. 1786, Agricultural Labourer, age 55 and his wife Catherine SMITH, age 54 Living with them were their children: George, born abt. 1823...Ag labourer...age 18 !sabella, born abt. 1825.. " ...age 16 Elizabeth, born abt. 1827... " ...age14 This may be my great great grandmother Henrietta, born abt. 1829...scholar......age12 1851 Census The same William CAMPBELL is listed with his wife Catherine, but now his occupation is listed as Groomer of Year??? The only children listed are Elizabeth and Jane born 1832 It's possible that their son George may have emigrated to the US between the two Census data.... I have received information from Mary Clark that William CAMPBELL and Catherine SMITH married 14 June 1811 in Thurso. From this information they had 8 children, Alexander, David, Fanny, Catherine, William, GEORGE christened 5 May 1822 in Watten...also they had Isobel and Betty christened 20 Sept. 1827 in Harland. I'm not sure any of this helps but someone else may have information that would be helpful. George Weston

Below are some details from crew lists for a couple of merchant ships, the Earl Gower and the Delight, showing name, age, birthplace and quality of crew: Crew list for Earl Gower of Wick, 1 Jan 1836 - 30 Jun 1836 James Cormack, 32, Wick, Master John Banks, 36, Dunnet, Mate Donald Henderson, 35, Wattin, Seaman David McLean, 26, Annan, Seaman John Harvey,42, Barbadoes, Steward John Gay, 20, Wick, Apprentice William Williamson, 16, Leith, Apprentice Laurie Kirk, 44, Leith, Seaman Thomas Sinclair, 15, Leith, " Samuel Fram, 46, Leith, Seaman Harry Carter, 35, Leith, Seaman Crew list for Earl Gower of Wick, 1 Jul 1836 - 31 Dec 1836 James Cormack, 32, Wick, Master John Banks, 36, Dunnet, Mate Donald Henderson, 35, Wattin, Seaman John Harvey,42, Barbadoes, Steward William Williamson, 17, Leith, Apprentice Samuel Fram, 46, Leith, Seaman Harry Carter, 35, Leith, Seaman Andrew Turnbull, 17, Leith, Seaman James Thomson, 45, Wick, Seaman Steven Ruder, 19, Dublin, Seaman Peter Sinclair, 49, Leith, Seaman James Sinclair, 15, Leith, Boy Crew list for Earl Gower of Wick, 1 Jan 1837 - 30 Jun 1837 James Cormack, 32, Wick, Master John Banks, 36, Dunnet, Mate Donald Henderson, 35, Wattin, Seaman William Williamson, 17, Leith, Apprentice James Thomson, 45, Wick, Seaman Peter Sinclair, 49, Leith, Seaman James Sinclair, 15, Leith, Boy Alexander Shearer, 36, Dunnet, Mate Finlayson, 24, Thurso, Seaman David Shearer, 32, Wick, Seaman Crew list for Delight of Wick, 1 Jan 1837 - 30 Jun 1837 Donald Davidson, 47, Wick, Master John Banks, 35, Wick, Mate Thomas Davidson, 26, Wick, Seaman John Calder, 22, Dunnet, Seaman William Manson, 44, Dunnet, Seaman Crew list for Delight of Wick, 1 Jul 1837 - 31 Dec 1837 Donald Davidson, 48, Wick, Master John Banks, 35, Wick, Mate Donald Simpson, 32, Dunnet, Seaman Charles Davidson, 16, Wick, Seaman Alastair Banks _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp

Dear List, Through the marvellous assistance of a list member I have knocked down the 'brick wall' that I have been bashing my head against for years. I have now located my 4 x g.grandfather, George OAL/AULD, born C1760, and his son - my 3 x g.grandfather, Alexander OAL/AULD, born C1790, both in the Wick area. Both are described as 'Weavers'. In the late 18th and early 19th centuries in Caithness would weavers have worked for their own account as a 'cottage' industry? I should be delighted to hear from anyone with knowledge of this family or weaving in Caithness. Thanks in advance. Stuart, Edenbridge, Kent

Wonder if anyone has easy access to any census APART from 1881? I would love a look up for WILLIAM SHAND originally b. 1804, Elgin area, but living in Arhchoval in 1881. He was married in Latheron. The entry for him on 1881 census gives his birthplace as Anders, Elgin..but I can find no trace of Anders and wonder if perhaps it is a shortened for of something, or perhaps a tricky transcription from old writing. Would be grateful for any help. Thanks, Sheila. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Hi Celeste, Thanks for your email and the interesting details. You give me hope that I might find something of my ancestry in Caithness! The marriage of Charlotte PETRIE on June 15, 1849 to Henry TAYLOR, jun. is interesting. She is the daughter of George PETRIE and Helen MALCOLM. Her brother is the George who was also a shoemaker, and probably the leading candidate of all the George PETRIE's who might be my great great grandfather! But, unfortunately, all the evidence is circumstantial! First, he was a shoemaker, but my great grandmother Catherine PETRIE listed him as a Blacksmith on her marriage certificate!!!! If he died in her youth she might have gotten this information confused! In the 1841 Census for Wick George PETRIE is listed as 26 years old and married to a Christina PETRIE. In the 1851 census he is listed as a widower, living in Pulteneytown. There is an Elizabeth CAMPBELL age 22 living in Pulteneytown in the 1851 census and she might be Catherine PETRIE's mother, except there is no marriage or birth certificate around that time to prove this. So I keep searching to see what I might be missing! Any further help would be appreciated! George Weston

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