Hello Listers, Recently our small Scottish Interest Group was given some back issues of "The Scots Magazine" where I discovered an article about a woman who's grandfather's parents[Andrew McDonald] came from Wick & Thurso but the family since had lived in Maclean St,Glasgow. Seems her grandfather McDonald married Christina Connor. Does anyone have an interest in this family, if so contact me offline. Barbara Stirling, New Zealand

Lorraine, You might be looking for Paisley Woodside Cemetery? I can check burial listings pre-1855 for you for this cemetery if you give me a name. Cheers, Terri > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorraine and Russell Palmer [mailto:lorrainepalmer@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2003 2:12 PM > To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Paisley Cemetary > > > Can anyopne help with name of cemetaries in Paisley SCT > around 1914. Possibly "Woodhill" or similar. Thanks. > Lorraine PALMER (NZSG 14928) Phone 094243044 e-mail > lorrainepalmer@xtra.co.nz > >

Can anyopne help with name of cemetaries in Paisley SCT around 1914. Possibly "Woodhill" or similar. Thanks. Lorraine PALMER (NZSG 14928) Phone 094243044 e-mail lorrainepalmer@xtra.co.nz

Excuse this long story, it all ends in a question!! If my research is accurate I have traced my ROBSON forebears as far back as 1750, my GGGGGGFather JOHN ROBSON married to ISABELLA ? was resident at Woolaw Farm near Rochester in the parish of Elsdon in Northumberland where his son JOHN was baptized on 25th of November 1750 at Birdhopecraig Presbyterian Chapel (known locally as "the Scotch church"). He appears to have moved to Siloans Farm by 1754 where a daughter MARGARET was born then baptized on 19th May 1754. A second son JAMES also at Siloans was baptized on 5th June 1757. The next five generations of my ROBSON's were also baptized at Birdhopecraig. I have been able to find only three marriages of JOHN ROBSON to an ISABELLA (or variations of that name) in Northumberland at the correct time and although I cannot eliminate all of them proof of connection is equally elusive. As the first JOHN was a member of the Presbyterian faith it is a reasonable possibility that he originated north of the border but at the time I searched records in Scotland the only JOHN ROBSON I could find who married an ISABELLA prior to 1750 was married to an ISABELLA BREMNER . I believe they were married in Canisbay but the marriage was recorded as being between John ROBSON and Elizabeth BREMNER(I believe Isabella and Elizabeth are interchangeable) , they had a son JOHN born in April 1750 in Canisbay Caithness. Having read about the Drove roads of Scotland it appears that at that time after the defeat of 1745 the economics of Scottish life was causing landowners to re-evaluate their production methods, mainly agricultural. There was movement of labour between Scotland and the rest of the world. English farming experts were attracted to Scotland to improve methods and to take over land and Scottish cattle and sheep were exported to England in vast quantity, most would be driven south on well used drove roads. It is likely that JOHN from Canisbay was a farmworker of some description, possibly a shepherd who would also take part in droving. If life was becoming increasingly hard at the time of the birth of his son and there was a chance of a better life further south, would he have journeyed south maybe starting in September when matured herds were being driven to market as far south as the English midlands. I believe one of the drove roads across the border crossed at Carter Bar but a side route to avoid customs duty crossed slightly East and down the old roman road(Watling Street) past Silloans Farm and Rochester. Had he been promised work at Woolaw, or did he take the chance of finfing work? When he arrived, which could have been in October, and once settled, joined the church at Birdhopecraig and had his son baptized for a second time to establish his presence in his new home? I haven't yet been able to prove or disprove this theory, so can anyone help? Did John ROBSON and Isabella (nee BREMNER) have any more children in Canisbay after 1750 or does anyone know that they moved somewhere else other than England? Does anyone have any knowledge of this family or any ideas for finding their origin? John Robson

Hi Tricia, 1841 has three areas online, you can find them at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~caithness/ Regards John Page ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

Dear Michelle, I am interested in the Latheron area also, so here's yet another grateful person thanking you for all your hard work in transcribing for the rest of us. Thank you ! Kind Regards Jenny C. My interest's are FORBES,HENDERSON, MORRISON

Dear Michelle, Latheron is one of the areas I am interested in, so here's another grateful person praising you for your transcribing. Thank you in advance. Regards, Jenny

Also interested in Latheron especially Campbell families. Are there any other districts in Caithness already transcribed on the internet.? Tricia

Does anyone recognise Andrew PATTERSON who married Elizabeth STEINSON about 1850. They came to New Zealand in the early 1860's and had a son Andrew with them. There may well have been other children but the shipping records elude me. I don't know anything about this couple apart from the mention of Caithness as being young Andrew's birthplace. Believe me I have tried , but without success to find out more details. Judith Stichbury New Zealand

Hi Lesley Hope you get a reply to your posting. It will be interesting to see if we can find this one and as you say connect him to Caithness Cormacks. I have my George Cormack b 1865 in Wick but it wasn't him. He is accounted for. I intend to explore/research my caithness Cormack line further in next few weeks. Will keep a lookout for George b 1870. Tricia Patricia MORE born Wick Caithness ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Lesley Ruppel" <truppel@wightman.ca> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Cormack Inventor > Hi Listers, I heard on our local radio this morning here in Canada a > question about a George Cormack born in Scotland in 1870. Apparently he > invented the Wheaties a breakfast cereal. They were invented in 1824 in the > United States. My mothers side came from Caithness and wondered if there was > a connection. I hope someone on the list might know something about this. > Thank-you Lesley Ruppel Mrs. >

Hi Listers, I heard on our local radio this morning here in Canada a question about a George Cormack born in Scotland in 1870. Apparently he invented the Wheaties a breakfast cereal. They were invented in 1824 in the United States. My mothers side came from Caithness and wondered if there was a connection. I hope someone on the list might know something about this. Thank-you Lesley Ruppel Mrs.

Hi Michelle First - Thank you for undertaking this task. Are you doing this on your own or as part of a project? I am one of the unfortunates who lay claim to Sutherlands and the next most common name in Latheron - Sinclair. It isn't an easy task. The figure you are quoting seems about right. Latheron apparently has the highest no of Sutherlands in any parish in Scotland...... On a completely different subject - some listers might be interested to know that the 1851 index is now available on CD Rom for Lanarkshire. Cheers vonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Rowe <pekali@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: 1851 census for Latheron > Hi all, > I have just started transcribing the 1851 census for Latheron, I thought I > would make a couple of observations for comment. > I have just finished Enumeration district 1 (only 18 to go!!) > one of the things that lept out at me was the number of people over the age > of 25 not married, 57 out of 606, does this seem high to others? > the other thing was the number of SUTHERLANDs I feel very sorry for anyone > trying to research this name, 25 families, 103 individuals all with the last > name of SUTHERLAND, and with no specific addresses, and very common first > names, basically I could see opeople just choosing a family and saying "this > one is mine". > And this is the first district how many more will there be I wonder. > > It will be a while before this makes it onto the site so no breath holding > please. > > Michelle. > >

Michelle, There were more Sutherlands in the Parish of Latheron than in any other place in the world. Latheron was the home of the Chiefs of Clan Sutherland, the Sutherlands of Forse and as the most successful branch of the family at producing sons, many of these families were the sons and grandsons etc of Clan Chiefs. Regards, Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Fellow of the Institute for Independent Business Director: Cadboll Business Consultancy Ltd* (Legal, Corporate, Employment and H.R. Consultancy Practice) Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd* (Bespoke Guided Tours, Genealogy, Family History and Holiday Experiences) Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk Company Secretary: EMarketing-Associates Ltd; Winning Edge Business Consultancy Ltd*; Kacey Ltd*; NetMedia Business Solutions Ltd*; Pure Tanning Ltd*; Eligo Recruitment Ltd; Newmore Investments Ltd*; In-Haus Eyemagination Ltd*; Mortgage Workshop Ltd*; Zest For Life (Scotland) Ltd*; Black Isle Recycling and Distribution Services Ltd*; Allstrat Ltd*; Excedo Software Ltd* Registered Office of Companies with a *: North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN e-mail: mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk telephone and fax: 01862 871877 mobile: -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Rowe [mailto:pekali@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 13 June 2003 00:08 To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1851 census for Latheron Hi all, I have just started transcribing the 1851 census for Latheron, I thought I would make a couple of observations for comment. I have just finished Enumeration district 1 (only 18 to go!!) one of the things that lept out at me was the number of people over the age of 25 not married, 57 out of 606, does this seem high to others? the other thing was the number of SUTHERLANDs I feel very sorry for anyone trying to research this name, 25 families, 103 individuals all with the last name of SUTHERLAND, and with no specific addresses, and very common first names, basically I could see opeople just choosing a family and saying "this one is mine". And this is the first district how many more will there be I wonder. It will be a while before this makes it onto the site so no breath holding please. Michelle.

I am researching my father's side of the family. Would anyone who has access to the 1871 census please look up for me the flollwoing family: George & Catherine Manson (my ggparents), children: Donald, Walter and Isobel. Would like details of their address at the time of the census please.

Good on you Michelle keep the good work up & yes I do have Sutherlands in Latheron & luckily for me ,I know enough about them to be able to sort out most of mine ,but it is a nightmare. Thank You CLAIRE Claire Sinclair Paterson Invercargill ,New Zealand "Online Parish Clerk, Cubert ,Cornwall.UK" http://mmhamilton.tripod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Rowe" <pekali@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: 1851 census for Latheron > Hi all, > I have just started transcribing the 1851 census for Latheron, I thought I > would make a couple of observations for comment. > I have just finished Enumeration district 1 (only 18 to go!!) > one of the things that lept out at me was the number of people over the age > of 25 not married, 57 out of 606, does this seem high to others? > the other thing was the number of SUTHERLANDs I feel very sorry for anyone > trying to research this name, 25 families, 103 individuals all with the last > name of SUTHERLAND, and with no specific addresses, and very common first > names, basically I could see opeople just choosing a family and saying "this > one is mine". > And this is the first district how many more will there be I wonder. > > It will be a while before this makes it onto the site so no breath holding > please. > > Michelle. > >

Hi all, I have just started transcribing the 1851 census for Latheron, I thought I would make a couple of observations for comment. I have just finished Enumeration district 1 (only 18 to go!!) one of the things that lept out at me was the number of people over the age of 25 not married, 57 out of 606, does this seem high to others? the other thing was the number of SUTHERLANDs I feel very sorry for anyone trying to research this name, 25 families, 103 individuals all with the last name of SUTHERLAND, and with no specific addresses, and very common first names, basically I could see opeople just choosing a family and saying "this one is mine". And this is the first district how many more will there be I wonder. It will be a while before this makes it onto the site so no breath holding please. Michelle.

Hello,I am new to this list,and I am hoping someone may be able to help me withe above surname. I have been researching the MANDAM surname[my family name]for some years now.Mainly I have found them in the North and East Ridings of Yorkshire,and have traced them back to 1753 in Whitby NRY. Recently I came across the name on a site advertising coats of arms in Scotland.The information given said that the name MANDAM originated in Caithness,back in the 1500s. Does anyone have a MANDAM/ MANDAN/ MANDOM,or MANDUM in their family tree.,or has come across it anywhere.Any info at all would be most welcome. Thank you Pauline[Hull.Eng.]

James, I had never heard of the McWatters surname in Caithness before, so I had a look on the IGI Website http://www.familysearch.org. If you haven't come across it before, this is a website run by the Mormon Church and is free for anyone to use, it's a useful initial source, but be careful as I have found a number of inconsistencies over the years. The IGI is a useful starting point as it's free. In Scotland all Birth, Marriage and Death records before 1855 were held by the local parish church and are known as OPRs (Old Parish Records). After 1855 the records were held by the state and are known as SIs (Statutory Indices). The IGI has taken all the old OPR microfilms and entered them in their database, but they don't have access to the SIs. Consequently the IGI is quite good as an initial source for records before 1855. I searched the IGI for McWatters and it comes up with 27 Birth/Christening records ranging from 1821 to 1874, all in the county of Ayrshire, south west of Glasgow. If you want to confirm information found on the IGI you can use the official records site called Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. However, this sites charges for its services. This site has indices for all Scottish records and has many of the original documents available for download. They are gradually scanning all the documents, so eventually all records will be available. Happy hunting. Regards, Chris Macneill -----Original Message----- From: James Ludwigsen [mailto:jammer@kiski.net] Sent: 31 May 2003 13:18 To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: McWatters families Hi From Usa. I am looking for the McWatters families in Caithness. I have seen the families in the book called The Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black. Can any body help me find the McWatters.I have found them in Monteal, Canada, in the early 1800's. I thought they might have can there from Scotland. My grand mother is an McWatters.Or as her names is MacWatters but they early family spells it as McWatters. Thanks Best Regards Jim Ludwigsen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003

" A Viking Greeting " The common first names are William, John, James Thomas, Ida, The last McWatters I found in John Mcwatters Sr.Born abt 1820's . But I do not know his father. But John Mcwatters had a brother named Willam McWatters.This is all I have of them. John married Rebecca King.They lived in Monteal,Canada. But don't know there they came from. Thanks. Regards Jim

James, McWatters may not be a common Caithness name, but WATTERS and WATERS are. Waters + birth=Caithness on Rootsweb's WorldConnect turned up 121 entries. Might be a lead there. I have some ancestors from Caithness Peter Waters (1814-1888 m Janet Swanson > Dora Cormack (Waters), Mary Waters and others. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~caithness/ http://www.caithness.org http://home.pacbell.net/len_g/clanMacCormack.html <- some pictures -----Original Message----- From: James Ludwigsen [mailto:jammer@kiski.net] Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2003 5:18 AM To: SCT-CAITHNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: McWatters families Hi From Usa. I am looking for the McWatters families in Caithness. I have seen the families in the book called The Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black. Can any body help me find the McWatters.I have found them in Monteal, Canada, in the early 1800's. I thought they might have can there from Scotland. My grand mother is an McWatters.Or as her names is MacWatters but they early family spells it as McWatters. Thanks Best Regards Jim Ludwigsen