This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/ReC.2ACI/2475.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Margaret, The Packmans are my family also. Elizabeth Packman b. 1825 is the sister of my 4 x great grandad, Alexander Packman. Parents Joseph Packman and Mary O'Brien. I have loads of info on this family. I established recently (at Elgin Library, but can not put my hands on the notes right now) that Joseph Packman Russel's father was James Russell. Get in touch if you'd like more info. Regards Ellen.