This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Russel Russell Packman Geddes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/2473.1 Message Board Post: Hi. You don't give any dates or timeframe, so this is just a stab in the dark. Elizabeth PACKMAN was born Bellie, died 20-9-1892 at Quarryhead age 63. I believe she was sister of Joseph PACKMAN h/o Jane GEDDES (one of 'mine') who marr 21-11-1863 Orbliston and lived at Quarryhead or Quarryend 1863-1897 and probably beyond (Elizabeth Packman lived next door for years, at Quarryend in 1881 and Quarryhead in 1892). She had a son Joseph RUSSEL(L), born 1860/61 Grange, who I assume was illeg and whose father I expect was named Joseph Russel(l). Hope that helps. Regards Howard