Katherine O'Regan wrote: > Can sks help me with the name MC LOUN ? It would appear > that it is quite rare. > It is accurate because her husband used it in his Will - "Mrs > Helen McLoun". She was born circa 1795 and registered in > Banff. Perhaps it is spelled McLaun/McLean. ___________________________________________ Hi Katherine The spelling of names was very idiosyncratic well into the early 20th century. The occurrence in a Will does not mean it will be spelt the same in othe official documents. Most ordinary folk didn't write in the time you are talking about and spelling was at the whim of the scribe, be it the Minister, his clerk, the Dominie or an Advocate [lawyer]. I haven't looked at Surnames yet - and probably won't live long enough - but in trawling through records of Forenames I have found re-spellings within a short entry in an OPR and three or four variants in Wills. You have to be imaginative. Try soundex on your searches. I have found the following in the Oxford book of Surnames: McCloun, McLune, McLoon, McLung, McClung, McClone, McClune McLoun isn't in the book!! Nor McLaun so even the Oxford scholarship it isn't exhaustive. You could also try these: McLeod, Macleod, McCloud. Have fun! [fun?] Best of luck Ray Hennessy The Forenames website address is: www.whatsinaname.net

Graeme Boocock wrote: > I am curious to know if there is any way I can determine why > two of my ancestor's children died on the same day in 1846. ____________________________________________ Hi Graeme, Margaret is right about epidemics in the 1840s. Many people don't realise that rural Scotland suffered from the potato blight & famine every bit as badly as the Irish. Also in the mid-Victorian times, especially the 1840s, there were cholera and typhoid epidemics in NE Scotland, & throughout the UK, which could have taken whole families, especially the children, in a day. Could you let us all know what you find out about these children? We have an unexplained 1846-8 death in Sheena's tree and any information might help us. Best wishes Ray Hennessy

Hallo Graeme There is a death notice in the Elgin Courant of 26 November 1846. It might mention cause of death. Go to the Moray Council website at http://www.moray.org/LocalHeritage/index.html Click on LIBINDX on the left. Click on People ......People search....Input reference nos. NM031618 and NM02146. Dig around and you'll find the reference. If you email them they will send you the entry in the paper for a very small fee. Regards Elizabeth Gabriel

Hello. I am curious to know if there is any way I can determine why two of my ancestor's children died on the same day in 1846. A monumental inscription in Banff cemetery states that both George Cameron (b: July 17, 1837) and Alexander Cameron (b: July 6, 1839) died on November 17, 1846. They were both sons of the cabinetmaker, Alexander Cameron b: July 17, 1810 in Gamrie, d: May 14, 1893 in Banff. Thank you, Graeme Boocock. (Toronto)

At 11:20 AM 11/10/05 -0500, Graeme Boocock wrote: >Hello. I am curious to know if there is any way I can determine why two >of my ancestor's children died on the same day in 1846. If other children in the same area were dying around the same time, say within a month or two, I'd say it was one of those epidemics which contributed to high infant mortality in the past. If not, then either it could be an illness within the family -- colds leading to croup, for instance -- or, seeing as it was mid-November, it could have been a joint accident. In my one Cornwall branch I have a little sister and older brother dying on the same day in November when the family's children were testing the ice on a pond for skating. The little girl fell through the ice and her brother drowned trying to save her. They could have been in a sleigh that overturned, or got lost outdoors and died of hypothermia -- I can think of lots of reasons, but how you'd check I don't know. In the case of my Cornish family, the double drowning was reported in the local newspaper. Not much help with your actual query, I'm afraid. Just some suggestion as to what might have happened to them. Margaret Gibbs Richmond, BC

Following problems with my web-hosting service, the 'MI Index Online' (the cumulative index to the published, and some of the unpublished MIs published or held by ANESFHS) is now at a slightly different URL: www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index The Index can also be accessed from the ANESFHS site at: www.anesfhs.org.uk Apologies for any inconvenience during the changeover. Gavin Bell MI Index Coordinator

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/1960.1987.1.1 Message Board Post: Peggie thank you very much I have abit of info but would like all that you have and we can exchange are info thanks again, you can e-mail linkfrances@hotmail.com

New lister. Looking for ancestros of Helen McLoun b abt 1795. Father Robert McLoun tailor and Anne Wallace Gamrie, Banff ; married Thomas Newton 1822 in Glasgow. I have been trying to find more McLoun's but have had no success. Are there any still in the area? It seems McLoun is not a common name, but it is the correct spelling as it appears in Thomas Newtons Will where he refers to her by that name. Can anyone shed any light on them? Katherine ew Zeland. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005

My great grandmother was Christina R. SEIVWRIGHT, born 1882 in Cullen, Banffshire, Scotland to Alexander SEIVWRIGHT & Ann GORDON. I have just discovered that before she was married to my great-grandfather, she had a son illegitimately. His name was (is?) Alexander Sievewright CUMMING (the father was William Brodie CUMMING born 16 May 1874 in Fordyce, Banff, Scotland to George CUMMING & Margaret STEVENSON). Alexander was known as "Sandy" and he was born 13 September 1902 at Seafield, Rathven, Banffshire. I had always just thought that "Sandy" was the long-lost older (full) brother of my grandfather, therefore had the BARRON surname. Christina married Alexander Walker BARRON on 2 June 1905 at Rathven, Banffshire and they had several children, including my grandfather, George Brian Tore BARRON, born 24 December 1914 in Pennan Village, Aberdour, Aberdeen. Alexander Walker & Christina R. (Seivwright) BARRON and all of their children, except "Sandy" left Scotland and settled in Toronto, Ontario, Canada about 1922/23. They kept in touch with "Sandy" until the years during WWII, when they lost contact. If anyone has any info at all on my grandfathers long-lost half-brother, please contact me. Thanks! Maggie Barron Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cumming, Barron, Sievewright, Seivewright, Seivwright, Sivewright Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/2752 Message Board Post: My great grandmother was Christina R. SEIVWRIGHT, born 1882 in Cullen, Banffshire, Scotland to Alexander SEIVWRIGHT & Ann GORDON. I have just discovered that before she was married to my great-grandfather, she had a son illegitimately. His name was (is?) Alexander Sievewright CUMMING (the father was William Brodie CUMMING born 16 May 1874 in Fordyce, Banff, Scotland to George CUMMING & Margaret STEVENSON). Alexander was known as "Sandy" and he was born 13 September 1902 at Seafield, Rathven, Banffshire. I had always just thought that "Sandy" was the long-lost older (full) brother of my grandfather, therefore had the BARRON surname. Christina married Alexander Walker BARRON on 2 June 1905 at Rathven, Banffshire and they had several children, including my grandfather, George Brian Tore BARRON, born 24 December 1914 in Pennan Village, Aberdour, Aberdeen. Alexander Walker & Christina R. (Seivwright) BARRON and all of their children, except "Sandy" left Scotland and settled in Toronto, Ontario, Canada about 1922/23. They kept in touch with "Sandy" until the years during WWII, when they lost contact. If anyone has any info at all on my grandfathers long-lost half-brother, please contact me. Thanks! Maggie Barron Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2751 Message Board Post: I'd be grateful if anyone who has volunteered for the FreeCEN project in Stirlingshire and Dunbartonshire would please get in touch with me asap. This applies to both volunteers who currently have film for transcription and those who may have volunteered in the past and whose transcriptions have been completed and returned. I also would like to hear from you if you received film from the previous coordinator - even if you have had problems and have been unable to complete any transcription. There is no time limit on the FreeCEN project and you should not worry about any delay in your piece. Equally, you are free to return untranscribed film to me. As the interim county coordinator, I am trying to ensure that things continue as smoothly as possible. I would very much appreciate your help in this. I am sorry to say that it it approaching the point where we may have to start 1841 transcription almost from scratch and allocate pieces to new volunteers. I have been very reluctant to do this as it would devalue the work of other volunteers. For those who have previously contacted me, I apologise for the delay in sorting things out. Best wishes, Lesley Bousbaine

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Strachan-Henderson-Edmonston(e) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2462.6.1 Message Board Post: I have the Strachan information on Elisabeth Strachan. Email me if you are interested....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Strachan, Henderson, Edmonston(e), Troup Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/1960.1987.1 Message Board Post: Frances, I have Elisabeth Strachan marrying James Milne in my family line. I have a lot of information on the Strachans. Please email me if you are interested in exchanging information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2623.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Marilyn My Duncan line begins with James Duncan and Margaret Paterson (m) 1793 Banff - 6 children Margaret, John, James, William (1801 Boyndie), George, Alexander. Margaret married James Mitchell, James married Mary Rose Riddoch, Alexander married Ann Gow. William (my line) married Christian Andrew 1827 Boyndie. One possibility is that she may be the daughter of John Andrew and Sophia Low - born 1802 Gamrie - but no proof as death cert did not show parents. She was quoted as age 90 when she died in 1892. William and Christian had 11 children all born in the parish of Boyndie. The family lived at Culphin where William was a grocer/merchant: Bathia (1829) never married but had a daughter Anne James (1831) (my line) married Jessie Still - see below Ann (1832), Christian (1835), Margaret (1837) - no other details of these daughters William (1839) married Jessie Stephen George (1842) married Anne Fraser Elspet (1844) married Robert Bruce Isobel (1846), Helen (1848) - no other details John 1851 married Jane Sorrie I have loads of details of descendants of those who married plus deaths etc. My line from James comes through his son William who was born in 1860 at Ord - he married Maggie Fowlie and their daughter Mary Isabella Duncan was my grandmother. So - does any of this link to any of your Duncans or Andrews? Kath

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Andrew Duncan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2623.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Kath - Andrew and Duncan are both Banffshire names -- I have several William Duncan(s) and Christian Andrew(s) in my tree, altho' not married to each other -- if you can provide some dates/children we may be able to find a connection.

Hi Margaret If it is not too much trouble I would be interested in the information you have on the Packman Line. I have a bit of a mystery which seems to involve a Joseph Packman, Junior and Alexander Packman his son I have the following note in my records: While researching the death of Margaret McKenzie who was married to James Scott it was found that Margaret's death was registered by an Alexander Packman, Nephew. The IGI shows an Alexander Packman or McKenzie as the child of Joseph Packman and Ann McKenzie but no marriage has been found for this couple. It is assumed therefore that Alexander Packman was the illegitimate child of Joseph Packman. The Death Certificate for George Webster Jr shows that she later married John McKay. (By my reckoning George Webster was also the illegitimate son of Ann). Ian A C Scott

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/ReC.2ACI/2749.1 Message Board Post: Hello I have Wrights who moved to Lagavaich (also sometimes known as Lagan Bheag) Glenlivet, sometime between 1909 and 1929. I believe my second cousins may be there still, although I have not yet been in contact. Also on anothr branch of the family, I have Greens, Murrays and McDonalds who were farm servants at Tamnavoulin from 1790ish onwards. Happy for you to e mail me if you'd like more info. Regards Ellen.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/ReC.2ACI/2475.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Margaret, The Packmans are my family also. Elizabeth Packman b. 1825 is the sister of my 4 x great grandad, Alexander Packman. Parents Joseph Packman and Mary O'Brien. I have loads of info on this family. I established recently (at Elgin Library, but can not put my hands on the notes right now) that Joseph Packman Russel's father was James Russell. Get in touch if you'd like more info. Regards Ellen.

Greetings from Western Australia fellow listers, I am trying to find out what records may be available about sailors in Banff about 1820 to 1844. In particular I am looking for information about Neil FLETCHER born about 1800 died between 1841 and 1844 inMacduff / Gamrie. He was a sailor / seaman when he was married and for the birth of some of his children. However on the 1841 census he was listed as a grocer. Neil's wife (widow) married in 1844 in Macduff to a Donald McDONALD a Road Contractor. On the 1861 Census I (finally!)found Donald and his wife with one of Neil's sons - Alexander FLETCHER - in the parish of St Nicholas, Aberdeen City, Aberdeen. I hope someone can point me in the right direction for the seaman records. TIA Nigel Boundy Researching all things BICE, BOUNDY, COATE, FLETCHER, McDONALD and RETALLACK. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

I'm interested in: Miln(e), in the Ruthven, Meigle,Airlie Area. Ritchie, in the Kirriemuir, Roscobie, Carmyllie, Collieston & Redford Village, St Vigeans & Glamis area. Ogilvy in the Charleston & Glamis area. Gray, in the Forfar, Kirriemuir, Glen Isla, Lintrathen Area. Also Castle Grant at Grantown on Spey. Barrie in the Forfar, Kirriemuir, Glen Isla, Lintrathen Area. Bell in the Hillside, Logie-Pert,Montrose, Strachan & Birse In Kincardineshire Area. Petrie In the St Vigeans, Monifieth & Barry Angus Area. Addison in the St Vigeans, Monifieth & Barry Angus Area. Brown in the Kirriemuir, Roscobie, Carmyllie, Collieston & Redford Village, Inverkeillour & Glamis area. Robertson, Reid & McLaren in the Caputh,Logieraite & Little Dunkeld Area. Ritchie Family My Grandmother was Elizabeth Welsh Ritchie DOB 14/12/1897, Roscobie Angus. Died Coupar-Angus 24/11/1990. Her Father was Hendry Ritchie DOB 3/2/1861 Henry Ritchie was a Farmer. His Birth was unregistered, & he had a problem in later years getting a pension as a result. Brought up by his Granny with his Brother. After Granny Died, brought up by Auntie Sally (Mrs Stirling) at Collieston. Douglastown & Holding at Plans of Thornton Glamis. Before he went to the Wreeths. Died Strathmartin Gardyne Street Letham Angus 24/4/1946. Buried Forfar Cemetry. His Wife was Jane Brown DOB 9/5/1865. Jane Brown was a maid at Glamis. Died Strathmartin Gardyne Street Letham Angus 26/5/1944. Buried Forfar Cemetry. Her Parents were William Brown (b. 7/11/1836) & Margaret (Reid) from Redford Village Carmyllie Area. Parents of William Brown were David Ormond Brown (b. 12/9/1807) & Helen (Muggins). Parents of David Ormond Brown were William Brown (b. 20/9/1783) & Helen (Ormond). Parents of William Brown were Robert Brown (b. Pre-1780) & Elspeth (Buchart). ******************** Bell Family My Great Grand Father is David Bell Railwayman. Born 26/8/1863. Logie Pert. David Bell was killed in a Railway Accident near Hillside on the 17/07/1907. He Married Jessie Ann Petrie 20/4/1870 at Collieston. GGGF William Bell (b. 6/06/1822) & Anne (Baird) from Logie-Pert Montrose Area. GGGGF David Bell (b.12/4/1779) & Elizabeth (Ross) b. 8 Dec 1789 Birse Area of Kincardineshire. GGGGGF David Bell b. Strachan Kincardineshire. Who Married Christian Robertson. Petrie Family My Great-Grand Mother was Jessie Petrie. Born: 1/6/1870. Place: Angus. Her Father was David Petrie. Who Married Jessie Addison 24/11/1867, at Barry Angus. They had 5 Children. Jessie Petrie. DOB 1/6/1970 Elizabeth Petrie.Married Alec Brown. Agnes Mary Petrie. DOB 27/3/1974 Married William Kydd Wilson 5/12/1902. Jean Petrie. Married James Gillespie. David Petrie. Married Ellen (Surname unknown). She married David Bell Railwayman 20/4/1870 at Collieston.. Born c.1863. Killed in a Railway Accident near Hillside on the 17/07/1907. *************** Milne Family My Great Grand Father is Andrew Coupar Milne. Born c.1843. Glamis Angus. Died Newtyle Feb 1919. He was a Post Master at Meikleour Post Office Perthshire. He Married (24/11/1871), Catherine Reid Robertson dob 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. Died Meikleour 7/11/1902. His Parents were John Milne (b. 1799) & Margaret (Colville) from Ruthven, Airlie & Alyth Area. Parents of John Milne were James Miln(e) (b.4/9/1757) & Elizabeth (Rattray) (b.6/3/1756) from the Meigle & Ruthven Area. *************** Gray Family GGGGGGF William Gray. He Married Jean Duffas. (Banff 1/4/1726). GGGGGF James Gray b. ABT Sep 1742 Ordiquhill Banffshire. Sister of James Gray- Margaret b. ABT Sep 1742 Ordiquhill Banffshire. James Gray married Jean Faich. GGGGF William Gray b.19 Apr 1782 Cromdale Parish Inverness Married Elizabeth Grant before 1802. Children Ann Margaret Gray b. 28 Jan 1803 Milton of Castle Grant Morayshire. James Gray b. 15 Feb 1805 Milton of Castle Grant Morayshire. Margaret Gray b. 19 May 1808 Milton of Castle Grant Morayshire. d. 1808. Married 2nd Wife Janet McIntosh in Rothes. Children Jane (Jean) Gray b.11 Dec 1811 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Francis William Grant Gray b. 12/8/1813 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Margaret Gray b.20/8/1818. Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Lewis Alexander Grant Gray b. 1819 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Charles Gray b. 26/5/1820 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Janet Gray b. 24 Mar 1822 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. d. 1823 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. Mary Gray b. 1824 Invernessshire. John Gray b. 1826 Forres Elginshire. Isabella Gray b 19/8/1827 Cromdale Parish Invernesshire. GGGF William Gray. Master Shoemaker b.1816 Kirriemuir Forfarshire. d. 15/5/1868 Roods Kirriemuir Forfarshire. He Married Ann Mann in Forfar 24/5/1840. GGF Francis William Grant Gray. DOB 1853. Christened 27/1/1854. Died Ruthven 25/8/1946. He Married Jane Barrie in Kirriemuir in 1885.DOB 1856 Forfar. Died Ruthven Angus 22/3/1922. They had 5 Children: Margaret Gray Married Murray Robertson. Prov R Island USA. William Gray Died in USA. George Gray Killed WW1. David Gray Grocer Glasgow. Francis Gray DOB 9/6/1893 Kinnaird Lintrathen Forfar Angus. Died 22/11/1988 Elmslea Coupar Angus. Married Glamis 31/12/1919 to Elizabeth Welsh Ritchie (DOB 14/12/1897), Died 24/11/1990 Elmslea Coupar Angus. ************************* Ogilvy Family My late Granny Jean Ogilvy Milne got the Ogilvy, because she was brought up by her Uncle John R Milne & his wife Jane Robertson (Ogilvy). So there is no real direct connection to the Ogilvy Family, but it is important. John Robertson Milne DOB 8/6/1872 Blairgowrie. Occupation Saddler & Wheelwright at North Street Newtyle. Wife Jane Robertson Ogilvy DOB 4/4/1870 Glamis Forfarshire Angus. Daughters Annie Bell Milne DOB 9/10/1901 Newtyle Angus. Jessie Lesley Milne DOB 3/10/1903 Newtyle Angus. Catherine Milne DOB 1900 died 4/2/1902. Ogilvy Family (Glamis). William Ogilvy DOB 22/9/1838 House: 72 Charleston Glamis Buried Glamis Cemerty died 6/2/1910. Margaret Robertson DOB 1834 Buried Glamis Cemerty died 16/7/1898. Sons George Ogilvy DOB 19/5/1868. died 13/4/1950. Farmer at Upper Hardwick Glenogilvy Glamis. Jim Strathearn Ogilvy DOB 30/7/1874 died 25/3/1950. Stonemason Charlston Glamis. Joseph Ogilvy DOB 23/11/1872. died 1/1/1948. Butler Glamis Castle. Robert Cooper Ogilvy DOB 9/8/1877. died 4/10/1948. Sam Chisholm Ogilvy Details unknown. I can also trace a direct line from William Ogilvy. William Ogilvy DOB 22/9/1838, 6/2/1910. Father - David Ogilvy Mother - Catherine Robertson. Grand Parents - Thomas Ogilvy & Margaret Wallace. Great Grand Parents - Thomas Ogilvy & Christian Crook.