I have as the parents of my Jane/Jean Duncan ROBERT DUNCAN and JANE STRACHEN(AN). Alice Myers Sequim, WA almyers@tenforward.com

Jane - here is the Birth you requested from 1855. MegG Parish of Banff, entry #6 - Janet SIMPSON born Mar 24, 1855 at 1am at Colleonurd? Colleonard? Banff to James SIMPSON Jun'r, a Distiller aged 28y born Banff and Janet SIMPSON ms MORISON aged 26y born Boyndie parish. This was her 3rd child. Informant was the father who signed the registration.This couple married 1852 at Boyndie and had 2 boys and 1 girl lving at this time. [No children were deceased or they'd have been listed.] Registered March 29 at Banff, Alex Smith, Registrar.

Regarding note from ALICE.. Meg would you check and see if there is a birth listed for 1855(I don't have the month) in Botriphnie or nearby as follows: ROBERT BARCLAY male JANE OR JEAN DUNCAN mother ROBERT BARCLAY father To Meg.. I would also be very interested in that BARCLAY birth in Botriphnie.. If you find this entry I would like to know names of Jean DUNCAN's parents.. I am tracing Jane/Jean DUNCAN b. 1815 Botriphnie.. who may or may not be direct ancestor who married George PIRIE in 1847 and died in 1850 before good records were kept.. I have a good candidate.. but if she pops up in this record.. then back to square #1.. Aloha from Hawaii.. Colette Pirie

Meg wrote The Family History Center where I volunteer here in central USA has all 1855 Civil Registration events for the county of Banff on microfilm indefinitely held here. Meg would you check and see if there is a birth listed for 1855(I don't have the month) in Botriphnie or nearby as follows: ROBERT BARCLAY male JANE OR JEAN DUNCAN mother ROBERT BARCLAY father I believe this is an illegitimate birth Thank you very much Alice Myers Sequim, WA almyers@tenforward.com

The Family History Center where I volunteer here in central USA has all 1855 Civil Registration events for the county of Banff on microfilm indefinitely held here. Fees for ordering films will almost double across the US beginning this month, there may be people who'd like to order these films but find it out of their reach. I'm sure there are subscribers who don't live near a FHC. If you'd like to know the information on a Birth, Marriage or perhaps a Death that was registered in 1855, I have access to the image of the original handwritten documents [there were 2 pages of information per entry in 1855] and can send the information to you or post it to the Banff-L List. 1855 was the very best year for genealogical information, beginning 1856, there were fewer questions asked of the Informant. Please make the Subject line Banff Marriages 1855 or similar so I'll know its a request, I've offered this to other shires we have films for and need to know which county you are asking about. Send name, parish and expected date [use the IGI for Births and Marriage data]. There is no fee, I'd like to request that if I send you JPGs of the Registration, that you write up the data on the other events on that same page and post it to the Banff-L List. Births had 5 entries per page, Marriages had 2 per page and Deaths had 3. They'll then be found in the Archives of this List. Hope to some of your questions will be answered with these films, can't let them sit here and gather dust......Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2760 Message Board Post: All the BAN census records of 1841 and most of 1851 are searchable on-line at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl The 1861 census records for Banffshire are now available for transcription from CD. FreeCEN Project Volunteers needed. Information at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ Susan Snowdon FreeCEN Coordinator for Banffshire and Inverness-shire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~banff1841

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/84.91.1352.1354.1357.2.1.1 Message Board Post: I too am descended from James Ingram and Elizabeth Findlater who were my 5x great grandparents, but my line goes through his son, James, while, I think, yours goes through George. I seem to have a lot of information on brother, John's descendants too. Elizabeth

> According to the Ontario, Canada Marriage Registers Jane Innes > parents were John and Jessie Innes. This is all I have found to date. > > Any help would sure be appreciated. Jane immigrated to Canada in > 1872, > getting married right after her trip. Thanks Just a thought - have you tried the 1871 census? If she immigrated to Canada in 1872, she should be there, maybe even with her parents: see www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk HTH Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: INGRAM RANKIN KILLAH/KILLOH GORDON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/84.91.1352.1354.1357.2.1 Message Board Post: I have not done anything on my scottish side for a while but I would be interested to know, very briefly, which Ingram you are descended from. This year I may do more as there is more information available now or rather perhaps it is more accessable. The Ingrams intermarried with many families in Gamrie and Aberdeenshire. I am descended from James Ingram and Elizabeth Findlater. Jillian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PATERSON, INGRAM, DONALDSON, WATT, ET AL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/84.91.1352.1354.1357.2 Message Board Post: I have just come across your INGRAM query. The Margaret Ingram you mention (b 1762 Gamrie) is my 5x gt aunt. If you are still researching this branch, please get in touch. Regards Elizabeth

Thanks, Ray. All contributions gratefully received! Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth "Painted Effie" could be a pet name from "Painted Effigy". This could be a maquette or even a ship's figurehead. Or it could derive from an inn sign in that form. But I still prefer the Painted Lady idea. Perhaps it was a street of "dressmakers"? :-)) Happy & Peaceful New Year to everyone. Ray

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2369.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry i never got to your reply. Do you have any info on George/Gustavus Albert Suck born abt 1852 that married Margaret (Will)? They had son George Albert Suck. All in the Pittsburgh, Pa. area.

Hi Elizabeth, If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ and type in Banff then enlarge the view you can see Paintedeffie (as it's written) beside Seatown. Typing Painted Effie in the search did not bring it up. Also, a google search found Painted Effie mentioned at http://www.ivargault.com/slekt/descendants_gault.html see George Gault. Hope this helps Elaine >I was trawling through 1841 Freecen names in Banff yesterday and came >across >people living at 'Painted Effie', 'house next to Painted Effie' and >'Painted >Effie Road'. I search of early town plans shows no such road. It appears >to have been near a toll house on Boyndie Street. Anyone any ideas? In >any >case, what was a Painted Effie? > >Elizabeth Gabriel > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Thanks Margaret. Could well be, considering the area. Elizabeth

Hi Elaine Thanks very much for that. Now I know where to look, it is also very clear on the Ordnance Survey 1866 map - I just hadn't gone far enough west. Still don't know what it means though. Couldn't be short for painted effigy, could it? Elizabeth

Kay wrote: > Hello, I am new to this list. In fact, I don't even know where > Banffshire is! Elaine has beaten me to the punch in pointing you towards the Banffshire pages which I maintain for GENUKI. These will tell you something about the County (which ceased to exist as a separate administrative unit in 1974). Unfortunately, the parish page for Aberdour is one that I have not yet got round to updating. > ... > Civil parish is Aberlour Ecclesiastical Parish. Address Charlestown. The main centre of the parish is nowadays generally known simply as "Aberlour", but its Sunday name is "Charlestown of Aberlour". This was one of the "model villages" which were established in various parts of the country by landowners in the later 18th and early 19th century, and was named after Charles Grant of Wester Elchies. Gavin Bell

At 10:42 AM 12/29/05 EST, EnpGabriel@aol.com wrote: Couldn't be short for painted effigy, could it? > >Elizabeth Well, that would be a more respectable source than what it appeared to me (:->). Effie was a common nickname for the popular name Euphemia. "Painted Effie" suggest to me a lady named Effie who was, um, not exactly a lady and wore whatever face paint was used in whatever century the street was named. Perhaps she plied her trade in that street? It will probably turn out to be a garbling of some other word and I'm maligning someone's perfectly respectable great-granny! Perhaps I should explain that I live in Richmond, British Columbia, which occupies Lulu Island in the mouth of the Fraser River. The island was named after a colourful pioneer woman who ran a saloon and various other establishments offering other kinds of hospitality. Margaret Gibbs Canada

I was trawling through 1841 Freecen names in Banff yesterday and came across people living at 'Painted Effie', 'house next to Painted Effie' and 'Painted Effie Road'. I search of early town plans shows no such road. It appears to have been near a toll house on Boyndie Street. Anyone any ideas? In any case, what was a Painted Effie? Elizabeth Gabriel

Hi Kay I have the complete index for the 1851 Census for Banff and as far as I can see there are no STOBOs listed anywhere in the county at that time. I also have the 1881 Census for the whole of the United Kingdom on CD and a search of that for a John Stobo born in Banffshire yields no information. This suggests several possibilities including the fact that the place of bir th may have been recorded incorrectly in the 1841 Census, he was a visitor to the area, he died between 1841 and 1851 in Banff or elsewhere before 1881. He may even have emigrated. The IGI lists only one birth in the British Isles for a John Stobo and Mary Robertson and that is for Janet who was born in Wets Linton, Peebles.in 1805. Not a lot of help to you but all the best in your search. Ian A C Scott