I hade few minutes to spare today while in Elgin waiting for a film to be processed, so I had a look at the 1851 census. I found no Adams at all in either Carmelite Street or Low Street. I found three families of the name elsewhere in the burgh: 9 Bridge Street William Adam/head/wid/73/shoemaker and letter carrier/Banffshire, Banff Jean Adam/daur/unm/40/Corset maker/Banffshire, Banff Isabella Adam/daur/unm/24/Servant/Banffshire, Banff E... Adam/daur/unm/19/servant/Banffshire, Banff [sorry, can't read my own handwriting!] Alexander Leslie/lodger/wid/30/Ship master/Aberdeenshire 48 High Street Thomas Adam/head/mar/44/Bank Agent/Banffshire, Banff Mary Ann Adam/wife/mar/44/Banffshire, Banff Madge Abercromby Adam/daur/unm/18/Banffshire, Banff Jean Adam/daur/unm/17/Banffshire, Banff Hannah Adam/daur/unm/15/England John ?Birnie Adam/son/unm/13/scholar/England Charlotte Adam/daur/unm/11/scholar/Aberdeen Williamina Adam/daur/unm/10/scholar/Aberdeen Thomas Adam/son/unm/8/scholar/Aberdeen Alexander Adam/son/unm/6/scholar/Aberdeen Margaret Adam/daur/unm/5/scholar/Aberdeen Ann Taylor/servant/unm/22/House servant/Banffshire, Marnoch Elizabeth Wilson/servant/unm/22/House servant/Banffshire, Rothiemay 13 Clunie Street Issack Adam/head/mar/46/Seaman/Banffshire. Banff Bathia Adam/wife/mar/45/Banffshire, McDuff Issack Adam/son/unm/18/Cabinetmaker apprentice/Banffshire, Banff John Adam/son/unm/14/scholar/Banffshire, Banff Helen Adam/daur/unm/10/scholar/Banffshire, Banff HTH Anne Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to be amused (Joachim Verhagen)

> On 3-Jul-1803 in Fordyce James COWIE and Elspet GEDDES "both in this > parish" > married. > Their family (per IGI) were, all bpt Fordyce: > George COWIE 4-May-1804 > James COWIE 11-Feb-1806 > Ann COWIE 9-Mar-1808 > William COWIE 1-Sep-1810 > Isabel COWIE 1-Jul-1813 > > Questions: > - can anyone provide the OPR details of the COWIE baptisms? Fordyce parish register 1804, May 4 James Cowie in Wileyholes had a child by his wife Elspet Geddes baptized & named George - witnesses Geo Cowie and James Wilson 1806 February 11th James Cowie in Wileyholes had a child by his wife Elspet Geddes baptized & named James - Witnesses James Ogilvie in Tillynaught & James Reif in Midton 1808, 9 March James Cowie in Wileyholes had a child by his wife Elspet Geddes baptized & named Ann - witnesses William Forsyth in Culphin & George Cowie 1810 Sept 1 James Cowie in Wileyholes had a child by his wife Elspet Geddes baptized & named William - witnesses William Forsyth & William Brander 1813 July 1st James Cowie in Wileyholes had a child by his wife Elspet Geddes baptized & named Isabel - witnesses James Wilson & William Brander > - can anyone provide the location of the 1851 census entry bk4 pg 5 1851 Census, Fordyce, ED 4, Page 5: farmof Willieholes George Cowie/head/wid/46/Farmer of 66 acres (employing 3 labs)/Banffshire, Fordyce Helen Robison/srvant/wid/31/Housekeeper/Banffshire, Keith William Cowie/nephew/unm/14/Herd Boy/Banffshire, Boyndie > - has anybody got anything more on this family that might help me identify > Elspet GEDDES? No, sorry. HTH Anne

> I find references to Grange, Banff, in the International Genealogical > Index, > but when I look for this place in MapPoint or Mapquest, it cannot find any > such town in Banffshire. Has this place been absorbed into another, > larger > town? Or disappeared entirely? Or just changed its name? None of those! The place names in the parish registers and hence in the IGI are parishes, not towns, villages etc. Many parishes, like Grange, are rural areas with no settlement of the same name, and parishes are not marked on modern maps, so the parish names tend to get lost. Other examples are Botriphnie (look for Drummuir on a map) Marnoch (Bridge of Marnoch or Aberchirder) Gamrie (Macduff) or better still, see the parish list at http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/ HTH Anne

Marilyn wrote: > I find references to Grange, Banff, in the International Genealogical > Index, but when I look for this place in MapPoint or Mapquest, it > cannot find any such town in Banffshire. Has this place been absorbed > into another, larger town? Or disappeared entirely? Or just changed > its name? Karen has already answered, pointing you towards: www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Grange but can I put in a plug for the work that Ray Hennessy and I are doing on producing a Gazetteer of Banffshire placenames? We are gradually working through the County, but have finished Grange, so if you scroll down the above page to the section headed 'Names, Geographical', you will find a link to an extensive list of placenames in the parish. On a more general point, note that, when the IGI or other sources give an 'address' for some 19th century baptism or marriage, this is generally given in the form: 'parish name, county name'. Many of the rural parishes contained no town, some of them not even a significant village. Grange is one that falls into this category. In modern usage, the parishes have ceased to be used for any administrative purpose, and the counties have changed, with many (such as Banffshire) disappearing completely. Which is why you will not find many places via modern sites such as Mapquest. However, there is help available. The work that Ray and I are doing grows out of (and feeds into) the online Gazetteer maintained by GENUKI. This is available at various URLs, but if you go to the main GENUKI County page for Banffshire (www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/) you will see a list of Banffshire parishes, and if you scroll down , you will see a link to the Gazetteer. If you do a search, you will get a readout which lists placenames by parish, and the data includes a column of map references in the form 'AB123456'. Click on this link, and you will be taken to a further page which offers a choice of links to online maps where you can see where your target place is (although not all historical name appear on modern maps). Gavin Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TONGUE<HARRISON<WILKES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/2776 Message Board Post: Help needed Please Mary TONGUE born 1810 Banffshire, Mother Mary ? any help or Advice Thanks Jean

Grange is a Parish in Banffshire, therefore an area, not a town. It is S of Deskford and Cullen on the coast. For more info go to http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Grange/index.html#Maps and there is also a map. Regards Karen Donald cammor@axionet.com wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2775 Message Board Post: I find references to Grange, Banff, in the International Genealogical Index, but when I look for this place in MapPoint or Mapquest, it cannot find any such town in Banffshire. Has this place been absorbed into another, larger town? Or disappeared entirely? Or just changed its name? Many thanks. Marilyn ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2775 Message Board Post: I find references to Grange, Banff, in the International Genealogical Index, but when I look for this place in MapPoint or Mapquest, it cannot find any such town in Banffshire. Has this place been absorbed into another, larger town? Or disappeared entirely? Or just changed its name? Many thanks. Marilyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ord Duff Allan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2774 Message Board Post: Hello, I have a GGGG grandmother, Isobel Duff b. c1781 in Gamrie Banffshire m. William Ord b. 1783 King Edward Abdn on 25 Dec 1806. Gamrie she died after 1851 William was a Weaver. Their son william Ord b. Cuminestown in 1814 m. Jane Allan Have you come across this family line. Thanks alison

I've had this family 'on file' for some while now, and Ruth's recent offer of their son's death certificate details has rekindled my interest in identifying Elspet GEDDES below. On 3-Jul-1803 in Fordyce James COWIE and Elspet GEDDES "both in this parish" married. Their family (per IGI) were, all bpt Fordyce: George COWIE 4-May-1804 James COWIE 11-Feb-1806 Ann COWIE 9-Mar-1808 William COWIE 1-Sep-1810 Isabel COWIE 1-Jul-1813 Questions: - can anyone provide the OPR details of the COWIE baptisms? I'd like to know where they lived as well as their witnesses. - can anyone provide the location of the 1851 census entry bk4 pg 5 (see below)? - has anybody got anything more on this family that might help me identify Elspet GEDDES? George COWIE died in 1862 at Carestown in Deskford: "George COWIE single died 5-12-1862 8.45pm Carestown, aged 58, of --- several years; parents James COWIE farmer (deceased) and Elspet COWIE ms GEDDES (deceased); inf: William STEVENSON brother in law present." - 1862-Deskford-24. I've found George COWIE in the 1851 Index, in Fordyce age 46 b Fordyce (bk 4 pg 5). If anyone's interested, the IGI has enabled me to also identify with confidence the brother-in-law William STEVENSON. I'm sure this will be verifiable at the GRO. This is the family: William Stevenson & Anne Cowie marr: 22-5-1836 Banff, Banff (M111474) - family all in Banff, Banffshire (C111474) parents William Stevenson & Ann Cowie: - Alexander Stevenson Birth: 06 DEC 1839 Christening: 26 DEC 1839 Banff, Banff - William Stevenson Birth: 08 NOV 1841 Christening: 14 DEC 1841 Banff, Banff - James Stevenson Birth: 23 DEC 1845 Christening: 13 JAN 1846 Banff, Banff - Elsie Ann Stevenson Birth: 27 JUN 1848 Christening: 25 AUG 1848 Banff, Banff And into the bargain, this could well be James Stevenson above: James Stevenson Birth: , , Scotland Parents: William Stevenson & Anna Cowie Bertha M. Thixon Birth: , , Kentucky Parents: Unknown Marriage: 16 MAY 1892 , Allegan, Michigan (M017163) In 1881, son William is at Careston Deskford as William STEINSON, with wife and family. This clinches it for me. All this from a single certificate! Thank you Ruth. Regards Howard Geddes

Resubmitting my two names. Robert MCLOUN, tailor b.abt 1771 and Annie WALLACE b. abt 1775. Can anyone shed light on a marriage date for these two please? IGI has confusing dates . Katherine New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 13/02/2006

Would SKS be able to do a lookup for me please to see if there is a birth for the above, Horace Horsley King, c1882. Thank you. Shirley Burns Kapunda South Australia

> Resubmitting my two names. Robert MCLOUN, tailor b.abt 1771 and Annie > WALLACE b. abt 1775. Can anyone shed light on a marriage date for these > two please? IGI has confusing dates . Can't even find them at all on the IGI! Check the source information. If it says 'extracted', believe it. If it says 'submitted', don't trust it. If the entry appears in two different places, this could indicate that the couple lived in two different parishes. The banns would have to be called in both parishes, so there would be two records of the event. As the entry records the proclamation of banns, not the actual marriage, they may be written on two different dates, or one of the clerks may have added the actusl date of marriage. The golden rule with the IGI is: always look up the original document. HTH Anne

> Would SKS be able to do a lookup for me please to see if there is a > birth for the above, Horace Horsley King, c1882. You can do this yourself, and download an image of the actual certificate, online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Anne

These pages are difficult to read but here's my best effort.... Let me know if you'd like copies. Margaret REDFORD d. 8 Oct 1862 aged 55. Husband George REDFORD. Father William (possibly ROWSON) and mother possibly MILLS. John LONGMORE d. 20 Nov 1862 aged 82. Parents James LONGMORE crofter and Janet MORISON. Has son George. Wife ? CURRIE. Still wondering if he's one of mine. George COWIE d. December 1862 aged 58, single. Parents James COWIE and Elspet GEDDES. Brother in law William STEVENSON. Regards, Ruth Chancellor

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/1938.1940.2040.2043.2045.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey cool.. send Christina my greetings :) I used to have her on my old msn account, and just a few minutes ago she popped up on my new one :)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DONALD, MURRAY, LESLIE, DAVIDSON, FARQUHARSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2772.1 Message Board Post: I do hope that this family connects as I am looking for any info' & of course can share the New Zealand links. In Aberdeen, Concert Hall, on October 19th 1830, " Mary DONALD , Daughter of William DONALD , Farmer in the Parish of Alvah, " married William MURRAY, a Flesher in Aberdeen. Witnesses James CAIE & Peter MURRAY. The aboved from the OPR. Old Machar, In 1836, William MURRAY , Loanhead, & his Spouse, Mary Donaldson , had a son, William. It seems that Donald & Donaldson, are often interchangable depending on the hearing / accent etc., of the recorder of the time. Could this William DONALD be the William that you mention ? The son, WiLLIAM , of William & Mary ( Donald ), Murray , emigrated to New Zealand, in the 1800's. Became a farmer , in Northland, ( north of Auckland ) . He married Mary Ann Leslie, from Co. Kerry, in N.Z., an arranged marriage, they have a great many descendants in N.Z.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Donald Peterson Brodie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2773 Message Board Post: Who did Janet marry? There are two possible husbands for Janet Donald in the IGI. One is Robert Peterson, 27 November 1735, Grange. There are no children listed for Robert Peterson. The other is John Brodie, same date! John Brodie had a son John on January 4, 1736 and another son, Alexander on July 11, 1738. The mother is not listed in those records. If these names occur in your tree, would love to exchange information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Donald Longmoor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2772 Message Board Post: Trying to connect this James Donald to the rest of my records -- children Janet, Isabel, Christian, Elizabeth, Alexander, Magdalene, Thomas, Barbara and William, all born 1753 - 1773 in Alvah. No mother's name given in records. James might be the son of my Andrew Donald and Elspeth Longmoor/Langmuir, born in 1730. If any of this information sounds familiar, please contact.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2770 Message Board Post: These were my 3xgreat grandparents and I would love to hear from anyone who may be descended from these families. I really don't know much except he was a farmer, and I know of 4 children, one of them being my 2x great grandmothers Ann Imlach.

Can anyone tell me how to access the graves at Kirkmichael or near parishes. Bev Hay