Hi Does anyone have any information on WEST in Gamrie/Gardentown Banff? Vicki

> There isn't an actual town called Grange, its the name of the Parish. Its > full > name is Davoch of Grange and its not far from Keith. (Town and Parish next > > door) Actually Davoch of Grange is just one small area within the parish of Grange. Grange Crossroads is the nearest thing there is to a focal point within the parish. It is marked on the Landranger map, and is about two miles north from Davoch of Grange. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Reid, Wilson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2780 Message Board Post: Looking for parents of Jessie Ann Wood Reid, born April 25, 1884 Banffshire who married Alexander Wilson born about 1874. Jessie and Alexander was married in Scotland before coming to Saskatchewan, Canada about 1917. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Reid, Stewart, Wood, Davidson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2779 Message Board Post: Looking for siblings, birth, death and marriage dates of the following: Alexander Reid married Ann Stewart and their son Alexander Reid married Ann Wood on March 21, 1889 at Gellions Hotel, Church Street, Inverness, Rathven. This couple had a son, Alexander Wood Reid, born Feb. 5, 1890 at Inchgower, Rathven and his mother Ann Wood died within days of his birth. This Alexander W. Reid married Elizabeth Donald Davidson and immigrated to New Brunswick, Canada in 1928. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/2775.1 Message Board Post: There isn't an actual town called Grange, its the name of the Parish. Its full name is Davoch of Grange and its not far from Keith. (Town and Parish next door)

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Dear Ray, Thanks for your useful comments. That might explain why the name John became Joseph. I wondered if it was just a reading of the line above or below by mistake - which is something I do myself often enough. I always extol the advantages of looking at the original records because you nearly always find something of added interest. I've forwarded my letter to a friend/rellie in Wales to see if he can throw any light on the Wales and Banff connection. Best Wishes, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <SCT-BANFFSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Banff] CLAYTON baptism Banff OPR > jane kelly wrote: > >>I was in the library yesterday ... and found: >> >> Banff 1785 >> John CLYTON > ... >> I checked this entry with the IGI ... but the father is >> named as Joseph CLAYTON ... which I find odd as >> the handwriting was very clear and the spelling unique. > __________________________________________ > > Hi Jane > > Recently I was discussing a new FreeREG project with one of the > co-ordinators and found a very disturbing detail in the instructions for > transcribers, something like: > > "... where a name is clearly not the modern spelling, the modern version > should be substituted ..." > > I pointed out that this was "less than sensible" and that it corrupted > the database without acknowledgment. The response: this was a "norm" for > the IGI and other such transcriptions, but not always followed by > transcribers. > > Personally I think this was a diabolical way to proceed and hope that most > of the transcribers ignored it. If we > are to have any faith at all in these on-line records, they absolutely > MUST be faithful to the original. Many of > the transcribers did put dashes where there found an unreadable letter or > letter string. Unfortunately some of them are 'clever' and put what they > think it 'should be'. > > Your experience shows that it is essential to look at the original as far > as possible. I suspect the instructions were generated before Soundex and > similar search methods became universal and was a way of making the search > facilities more responsive. But introducing untraceable modifications to > the records? Words fail me! > > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy >

jane kelly wrote: >I was in the library yesterday ... and found: > > Banff 1785 > John CLYTON ... > I checked this entry with the IGI ... but the father is > named as Joseph CLAYTON ... which I find odd as > the handwriting was very clear and the spelling unique. __________________________________________ Hi Jane Recently I was discussing a new FreeREG project with one of the co-ordinators and found a very disturbing detail in the instructions for transcribers, something like: "... where a name is clearly not the modern spelling, the modern version should be substituted ..." I pointed out that this was "less than sensible" and that it corrupted the database without acknowledgment. The response: this was a "norm" for the IGI and other such transcriptions, but not always followed by transcribers. Personally I think this was a diabolical way to proceed and hope that most of the transcribers ignored it. If we are to have any faith at all in these on-line records, they absolutely MUST be faithful to the original. Many of the transcribers did put dashes where there found an unreadable letter or letter string. Unfortunately some of them are 'clever' and put what they think it 'should be'. Your experience shows that it is essential to look at the original as far as possible. I suspect the instructions were generated before Soundex and similar search methods became universal and was a way of making the search facilities more responsive. But introducing untraceable modifications to the records? Words fail me! Best wishes Ray Hennessy

I was in the library yesterday checking CLAYTON and ADAM OPRs and found this one entry which I want to share with the List: Banff 1785 John CLYTON 5 son named after John HARDEN servant to the Earle of Fife --------------------------------- (new column) John CLYTON Servant to the Earle of Fife. Lawfull son of John CLYTON labourer in Walsh Moor Montgomerie Shire in Wals (sic) in England and Gwen MORRICE his wife. Jean SMITH, lawfull daughter of Aleck SMITH some time Black Smith in Banff and Margaret IMLACK his wife ----------------------------------------------------------------- Born: 3 June 1785, Baptised 23 June 1785. Wit: John CONN. John WATTIS Servants to the Earle Of Fyfe ---------------------------------------------------------------- There were plenty of other similarly rich entries including deaths. Some Parish clerks really took their job seriously and we benefit. I checked this entry with the IGIs and he was the 5th son but the father is named as Joseph CLAYTON and the dates are not exactly the same either which I find odd as the handwriting was very clear and the spelling unique. Best Wishes, Jane ps do you think anyone in Wals <grin> would be interested?

I wonder if anyone can help me locate in 1841 a James DUFF poss Rev b Auchindachy 1810 had an affair with Isbel INNES in Forgie 1839 resulting in son John DUFF b Dec 1839 Boharm Bpt Jan 1840.In 1847 he was assistant minister at New Spynie and in 1852 moved to Crieff as minister.I know he graduated from Aberdeen in 1831 but have no knowledge of him until 1839 and then 1847.Was he Rev in the Forgie area or schoolteacher? I have his son John having an affair in 1856 with Margaret GORDON of Lime Kilns Maisley resulting in Dau Jane DUFF b Maisley in 1857 and who in 1871 was with her father and his wife Jane GARDINER in Cullen.John was with his mother Isbel INNES in Forgie in 1841 and looks as though from c 1851 to 1857 he was in Broadrashes a farm near Keith.Next door in Broadrashes in 1851 was Robert DUFF and his wife and daughter unsure of the relationship.John was married in Cullen in 1862 but where was he in 1861? His father James died at the Mains of Auchindachy near Keith in 1860 but I have no reason to suspect that John was in attendance.There was an aunt Catherine TURNER nee Duff living at Auchmore in Rathven but again I find no evidence to link John with her.Also an uncle Thomas DUFF at the Mains of Auchindachy but again no suggestion that he was with him.On his marriage certificate in 1862 he registered his father as John DUFF and his mother as Isbel INNES and his normal place of res! idence as Drumblade.Again I can find no evidence in support of this. Appreciate any assistance in furthering my research Sincerely Alex

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dick, Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ReC.2ACI/2778 Message Board Post: Descendants of Unknown Dick Generation No. 1 1. UNKNOWN1 DICK Children of UNKNOWN DICK are: 2. i. JAMES2 DICK, b. Abt. 1750, Banff, Scotland; d. February 1852. ii. ANN DICK. Generation No. 2 2. JAMES2 DICK (UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1750 in Banff, Scotland, and died February 1852. He married ELSPET SINCLAIR August 22, 1763 in Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland. She was born in Banff, Scotland. Notes for JAMES DICK: In 1783 Jannet WISEMAN, Servant to James DICK Vintner in Banff, married a George Paterson. James DICK Innkeeper, Banff, was a Witness to the Baptism of Margaret Lumsden, father William, a farmer in Ribora Forglen, & wife, Isobel Spence. (Film 990817) In the 8 April 1850, Isabella lawful dau., of James DICK Slater in Banff, & wife Louisa SHAND, Bap. ( probable son or Grandson of the james Dick Vintner. ) from film 990816 Burial, 30 Feb. 1852, James DICK son of ? JMlie. More About JAMES DICK and ELSPET SINCLAIR: Marriage: August 22, 1763, Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland Children of JAMES DICK and ELSPET SINCLAIR are: 3. i. MARGARET3 DICK, b. Abt. 1774, Banff, Scotland. ii. ELIZABETH DICK, b. 1769. Notes for ELIZABETH DICK: On baptism records it states that Elizabeth was named after her grandmother, Elizabeth Gaul. Witnesses were James Taylor and William Saunders. iii. ELSPET DICK, b. 1772. Notes for ELSPET DICK: Baptised Mary 6, 1772. Witnessed by George Robertson (Schoolmaster) and Patrick ? (Merchant in Banff) iv. WILLIAM DICK, b. 1779. Notes for WILLIAM DICK: Baptism witnessed by William Byres and William King v. ANNE DICK, b. 1767. Notes for ANNE DICK: Baptised April 1, 1767, daughter of James Dick, Jewler, and Elspet Sinclair. Named after Ann Dick, the child's Aunt. Witnesses were James Boat Taylor and Peter Grant. (All baptisms on Film 990816) vi. JAMES DICK, b. December 08, 1775, Banff, Scotland. Generation No. 3 3. MARGARET3 DICK (JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1774 in Banff, Scotland. She married ROBERT THOMAS SMITH April 19, 1794 in Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland. He was born Abt. 1774 in Aberdeen, Scotland. Notes for MARGARET DICK: Baptised Janary 12, 1774. Father listed as James Dick, Vintner, and Elspet Sinclair. She was named after a Miss Peggy. Witnesses were James Byres, James Mitchel Dystra, and James Shand Notes for ROBERT THOMAS SMITH: In the Old Parrish Records it states that Robert Smith, a merchant in Aberdeen, married Margaret Dick, daughter of James Dick, a Wine Merchant (Vintner) in Banff. On early birth records of Robert's children, Robert is listed as a merchant and then later as a farmer. Finally, he is listed as a Custom and Excise Officer. One record says he is Mr. Robert Smith, merchant of Smithfield. According to some of national archives of Scotland, Robert was made bankrupt in 1804, which may explain the changes in occupation. The archives state: Robert Smith, merchant, Aberdeen, Sederunt Book Date 1807-1808 Extent 58pp Description Trustee: John Catto, merchant, Aberdeen. Bankrupt formerly in brewing concern Robert Smith and Company, bankrupt in 1804. Inventory of household furniture, crop, livestock and utensils on farm of Smithfield. More About ROBERT SMITH and MARGARET DICK: Marriage: April 19, 1794, Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland Children of MARGARET DICK and ROBERT SMITH are: i. ROBERT4 SMITH, b. January 1797. More About ROBERT SMITH: Christening: February 16, 1797 - St. Nicholas ii. JEAN SMITH, b. February 1798. More About JEAN SMITH: Christening: February 28, 1798 - St. Nicholas iii. JAMES SMITH, b. December 1802. More About JAMES SMITH: Christening: December 13, 1802 - St. Nicholas iv. ALEXANDER SMITH, b. October 1807. More About ALEXANDER SMITH: Christening: February 04, 1804 - St. Nicholas v. SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH, b. January 1809, Aberdeen, Scotland; m. MARGARET ELIZABETH ANDERSON; b. 1809, South Carolina. Notes for SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH: Came to U.S. at either the Captain or 1st Mate. More About SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH: Christening: February 27, 1809, Kirk of St. Nicholas in Aberdeen Scotland Immigration: 1840, Scotland to South Carolina vi. ELIZABETH SMITH, b. April 1810. More About ELIZABETH SMITH: Christening: April 11, 1810 - St. Nicholas vii. MARY SMITH, b. May 1813. More About MARY SMITH: Christening: May 25, 1813 - St. Nicholas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/919.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Anthony, I am related to MUTERERs via John, brother of Margaret and Alexander. John m. 5 Apr 1874 Janet JAMIESON in England. I'm not sure how their mother Helen JAMIESON fits into my tree. There is a fasinating story about this my couple. Get in touch and I'll let you have all I know. Best wishes George

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2508.2 Message Board Post: Hi Archibald, I have JAMIESONs in Deskford, Rathven and surrounding districts. Would be interested in comparing notes. Regards George

> Sorry to be a nuisance! No problem! > I have been having a further look at the 1851 Census information you > posted > for Adam and it would appear to me that the William Adam, widower, aged 73 > at > 9 Bridge Street could be Thomas Adam's father. > > Thomas had a sister named Jane (Jean?) and another named Isabella but > their > ages are adrift by about 3 or 4 years less. I also have a Margaret Adam > born > in August 1827 which would make her 23 at the time of the census but if > the 3 > or 4 years difference applied here also could this be the E... you have > included? Anything is possible, but I can't read my own writing! I wasn't aware before this that you were interested - the information was posted in response to a rather elderly query from Jane Kelly, but I do not know whether it reached her or not. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Donald, Shearer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2777 Message Board Post: Searching for information on the five children of my GGGrandfather Benjamin Donald and his second wife, Isabella Shearer. Isabella was daughter of George Shearer and Christian Gall. Married in Alvah in 1871, Isabella mothered the 4 children of Benjamin's first wife, Jane Davidson: John, Benjamin, Jane and Mary. I descend from John, born in 1857. Children of Benjamin's second marriage were: Margaret (1874) George, James, Jessie Ann, and Christine (1883). Can find no reference in the IGI. Would be happy to exchange information with anyone with information about this family.

Dear Anne, and Ian, Thanks very much Anne for looking up the ADAMs in 1851. We have quite a lot of ADAM info on our webpages now. I am a descendant of George Bruce ADAM, younger brother of the Thomas ADAM, the banker, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kosmoid&id=I15244 I have been studying their extended families but can always do with more links, info and contacts. This is great. Best Wishes, Jane nr Edinburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: <IACSCOTT@aol.com> To: <SCT-BANFFSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [Banff] Re: SCT-BANFFSHIRE-D Digest V06 #27 > Hi Anne > > Many thanks for posting your findings for the surname Adam from the 1851 > Census. > > The Thomas Adam at 49 High Street, was the nephew of William Scott, a > Provost of Banff and an Executor of his will when he died in 1860. Thomas > Adam's > mother was Jean Scott. > > I had only found two of Thomas Adam's children so this information fills > in > a bit more or me. > > Thank you > > Ian A C Scott. > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Anne Sorry to be a nuisance! I have been having a further look at the 1851 Census information you posted for Adam and it would appear to me that the William Adam, widower, aged 73 at 9 Bridge Street could be Thomas Adam's father. Thomas had a sister named Jane (Jean?) and another named Isabella but their ages are adrift by about 3 or 4 years less. I also have a Margaret Adam born in August 1827 which would make her 23 at the time of the census but if the 3 or 4 years difference applied here also could this be the E... you have included? Ian A C Scott

Hi Anne Further to my posting, I should have mentioned that although you have a query against the middle name Birnie for John Adam this will be correct as his mother's maiden name was Mary Ann Birnie. Also, my research indicates that Alexander had the middle name Chivas but where this comes from I have no idea. Ian A C Scott

Hi Anne Many thanks for posting your findings for the surname Adam from the 1851 Census. The Thomas Adam at 49 High Street, was the nephew of William Scott, a Provost of Banff and an Executor of his will when he died in 1860. Thomas Adam's mother was Jean Scott. I had only found two of Thomas Adam's children so this information fills in a bit more or me. Thank you Ian A C Scott.

Hi Anne. Thanks for that, really helpful; in fact you have helped towards identifying Elspet GEDDES. Therefore, a follow-up. It looks like the COWIE family were long-time farmers at Wyllieholes (today's spelling). George COWIE and Anne GEDDES moved there about 1756 from Badenspink which was and is the adjacent farm. They had children baptised from 1751 to 1766, so they must have married 1750/51, but I haven't found a record of their marriage - is there one hiding in the Fordyce OPR? Secondly, the following are the children of George COWIE and Ann GEDDES. I thought Listers in general might be interested in all the witnesses and places, and even may recognise some. Tillynaught, Badenspink, Wyllieholes, Baronsmill and are all adjacent, with Newmills (of Boyne) not far away. Boyndie is quite a way away, comparatively. Auchmore is just outside Portsoy. Taking all into account, I believe this family must be connected to the Auchmore Geddeses of John Geddes & Margaret Tulloch, but it's not easy to see how Ann Geddes fits in. As always, trying to fathom whether and how they might connect into my own Fordyce Geddeses over at Birkenbog. Anything on Auchmore Farm in early 1700s would be helpful, too. Another place with GEDDES in early 1700s is Wellheads: the gradual migration south from Portsoy during the 1700s is obvious. First line is the IGI entry (which is accurate). Then an abbreviated version of the OPR itself: the father's surname and location; the witnesses; my comments. 1. Helen CUIE - Christening: Jun 1751 Fordyce, Banff Cuie in Badenspink. Mrs Helen Ruddach, Wm Thomson in Barons Mill & Wm Geddes in Auchmore. Wm Geddes is almost certainly William Geddes h/o Isobel Morrison. 2. James COWIE - Christening: 17 Jun 1753 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Badenspink. Mr James Lawtie Min'r & James Peterkin in Newmills. 3. Anne COWIE - Christening: 8 May 1755 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Badenspink. William Thomson, Wm Clerk in Badenspink & Anne Johnson in Fordyce. 4. Janet COWIE - Christening: 7 Mar 1757 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Wyllieholes. Janet Aven in Tillinaught & Janet Geddes in Boyndie. Might Janet Geddes be the one bpt 1-4-1724 in Boyndie to James Geddes? Who is James Geddes? 5. George COWIE - Christening: 4 Apr 1759 Fordyce, Banff, Scotland Cowie in Wyllieholes. George Clerk, George Reid at Mill of Tillinaught. 6. Isobel COWIE - Christening: 14 Feb 1761 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Wyllieholes. Isobel Cowie, Isobel Morison, John Geddes, Alexr Donald. Isobel Morrison is almost certainly Isobel Morrison w/o William Geddes. Like Ann Geddes, John Geddes could be a hitherto unknown child of John Geddes h/o Margaret Tulloch m abt 1719. 7. Margaret COWIE - Christening: 2 Nov 1762 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Wyllieholes. William Thomson in Barrons Mill, William Geddes, Alexander Donald. William Geddes is almost certainly William Geddes h/o Isobel Morrison. 8. Mary COWIE - Christening: 29 Jan 1766 Fordyce, Banff Cowie in Wyllieholes. George Gray in Banff, James Wilson in Boyndie. Regards Howard Geddes