Anyone recognize any of these names of have any additional information? Descendants of Unknown Dick Generation No. 1 1. UNKNOWN1 DICK Children of UNKNOWN DICK are: 2. i. JAMES2 DICK, b. Abt. 1750, Banff, Scotland; d. February 1852. ii. ANN DICK. Generation No. 2 2. JAMES2 DICK (UNKNOWN1) was born Abt. 1750 in Banff, Scotland, and died February 1852. He married ELSPET SINCLAIR August 22, 1763 in Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland, daughter of JOHN SINCLAIR. She was born November 25, 1742 in Alvah, Banff, Scotland, and died January 01, 1791. Notes for JAMES DICK: In 1783 Jannet WISEMAN, Servant to James DICK Vintner in Banff, married a George Paterson. James DICK Innkeeper, Banff, was a Witness to the Baptism of Margaret Lumsden, father William, a farmer in Ribora Forglen, & wife, Isobel Spence. (Film 990817) In the 8 April 1850, Isabella lawful dau., of James DICK Slater in Banff, & wife Louisa SHAND, Bap. ( probable son or Grandson of the james Dick Vintner. ) from film 990816 Burial, 30 Feb. 1852, James DICK son of ? JMlie. Names and dates on Stone Number 182: Elspet DICK 28 Apr 1775 Ann DICK 2 Mar 1776 Elspet SINCLAIR 1 Jan 1791 James DICK 29 Jul 1813 Jean GLASHAN 20 May 1815 NOTE: This is not the complete inscription You will find the full text in booklet reference number AA108 from ANESFHS More About ELSPET SINCLAIR: Burial: Alvah Kirkyard More About JAMES DICK and ELSPET SINCLAIR: Marriage: August 22, 1763, Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland Children of JAMES DICK and ELSPET SINCLAIR are: i. ANNE3 DICK, b. April 01, 1767. Notes for ANNE DICK: Baptised April 1, 1767, daughter of James Dick, Jewler, and Elspet Sinclair. Named after Ann Dick, the child's Aunt. Witnesses were James Boat Taylor and Peter Grant. (All baptisms on Film 990816) ii. ELIZABETH DICK, b. September 11, 1769. Notes for ELIZABETH DICK: On baptism records it states that Elizabeth was named after her grandmother, Elizabeth Gaul. Witnesses were James Taylor and William Saunders. iii. ELSPET DICK, b. March 06, 1772; d. April 28, 1775. Notes for ELSPET DICK: Baptised Mary 6, 1772. Witnessed by George Robertson (Schoolmaster) and Patrick ? (Merchant in Banff) More About ELSPET DICK: Burial: Alvah Kirkyard 3. iv. MARGARET DICK, b. December 01, 1774, Banff, Scotland. v. JAMES DICK, b. December 08, 1775, Banff, Scotland; d. July 29, 1813. More About JAMES DICK: Burial: Alvah Kirkyard vi. WILLIAM DICK, b. 1779. Notes for WILLIAM DICK: Baptism witnessed by William Byres and William King Generation No. 3 3. MARGARET3 DICK (JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born December 01, 1774 in Banff, Scotland. She married ROBERT THOMAS SMITH April 19, 1794 in Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland. He was born Abt. 1774 in Aberdeen, Scotland. Notes for MARGARET DICK: Baptised Janary 12, 1774. Father listed as James Dick, Vintner, and Elspet Sinclair. She was named after a Miss Peggy. Witnesses were James Byres, James Mitchel Dystra, and James Shand Notes for ROBERT THOMAS SMITH: In the Old Parrish Records it states that Robert Smith, a merchant in Aberdeen, married Margaret Dick, daughter of James Dick, a Wine Merchant (Vintner) in Banff. On early birth records of Robert's children, Robert is listed as a merchant and then later as a farmer. Finally, he is listed as a Custom and Excise Officer. One record says he is Mr. Robert Smith, merchant of Smithfield. According to some of national archives of Scotland, Robert was made bankrupt in 1804, which may explain the changes in occupation. The archives state: Robert Smith, merchant, Aberdeen, Sederunt Book Date 1807-1808 Extent 58pp Description Trustee: John Catto, merchant, Aberdeen. Bankrupt formerly in brewing concern Robert Smith and Company, bankrupt in 1804. Inventory of household furniture, crop, livestock and utensils on farm of Smithfield. More About ROBERT SMITH and MARGARET DICK: Marriage: April 19, 1794, Kirk of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland Children of MARGARET DICK and ROBERT SMITH are: i. ROBERT4 SMITH, b. January 1797. More About ROBERT SMITH: Christening: February 16, 1797 - St. Nicholas ii. JEAN SMITH, b. February 1798. More About JEAN SMITH: Christening: February 28, 1798 - St. Nicholas iii. JAMES SMITH, b. December 1802. More About JAMES SMITH: Christening: December 13, 1802 - St. Nicholas iv. ALEXANDER SMITH, b. October 1807. More About ALEXANDER SMITH: Christening: February 04, 1804 - St. Nicholas v. SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH, b. January 1809, Aberdeen, Scotland; m. MARGARET ELIZABETH ANDERSON; b. 1809, South Carolina. Notes for SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH: Came to U.S. at either the Captain or 1st Mate. More About SYDNEY WILLIAM CALDWELL SMITH: Christening: February 27, 1809, Kirk of St. Nicholas in Aberdeen Scotland Immigration: 1840, Scotland to South Carolina vi. ELIZABETH SMITH, b. April 1810. More About ELIZABETH SMITH: Christening: April 11, 1810 - St. Nicholas vii. MARY SMITH, b. May 1813. More About MARY SMITH: Christening: May 25, 1813 - St. Nicholas Melody Morgan Hughes, M.Ed.

Hi Judy, Susan et al Doesn't seem to be an obvious connection, but who knows with all the names up there! My Isabella WALKER (born c1828) was a dressmaker in Forres and married John GRANT(b1828), shoemaker, in Forres in Feb 1876. She was his second wife, but by the time they were married, they already had two sons together, she had two sons from two other men and he had 8 children from his first marriage. No wonder he needed a new wife! His first wife, Isabella DAVIDSON, died in January 1870 when their youngest, Robert, was only a month old. Family is as follows: 1. John GRANT m. Janet STUART 17 Feb 1825, Inveravon, Banff Children (all born in Inveravon) William 17 Dec 1825 James 11 Mar 1827 2. John 6 Oct 1828 (my gr gr grandfather) Elspeth 8 June 1830 Jane 4 June 1832 Alexander 30 March 1834 Robert 8 April 1836 Anne 30 June 1837 Mary 31 May 1839 *George 15 April 1841 2. John GRANT (b1828) m. Isabella DAVIDSON (c1826 - 1870) 12 June 1856 in Inverness Children (all born in Forres) Alexander 13 June 1856 Jessie 26 Sept 1857 John 4 Sept 1859 William 23 July 1861 Isabella 30 Sept 1863 Mary Jane 15 July 1865 James 10 Nov 1867 Robert 23 Dec 1869 2. John Grant (b 1828) m. #Isabella WALKER (born c1828) 18 Feb 1876 in Forres Children (all born Forres) 3.John WALKER (later GRANT) 31 Aug 1873 (my gr grandfather) Edward Grant WALKER (later GRANT) 15 March 1875 Elsie 27 Feb 1877 George 10 March 1879 Peter 12 March 1882 3. John Walker GRANT (b1873) m. Mary Agnes MORRISON (b1872) in Glasgow 6 children all born in Glasgow #Isabella WALKER (b circa 1828 in Alves, Elgin) was born to Alexander WALKER and ^Margaret FIMISTER (b1804) and she had at least one sibling, Alexander, born 1844. ^Margaret FIMISTER (b 13 Sept 1804) was born in Kinloss, to Alexander FIMISTER and Margaret SMITH. She was one of at least five children, all born in Kinloss. They were John b 1796 Alexander b 1797 Elizabeth b 1800 Margaret b 1804 (as above) William b 1806 I also have some information on *George GRANT (b.1841) who married Mary MCDONALD (b1840) in Edinburgh in 1865 and then had 5 children (that I know of) and moved around in Lanarkshire and ended up in Paisley. I believe when he was in Paisley, he may have been a baker? and had at least one GRANT nephew from Forres living with him. I would love to hear from anyone with connections to any branch of these families. I am also looking for more information about my gr grandfather's two half brothers through Isabella Walker. I will post their names separately when I have more... Erica BC Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Acaster" <jude.a@iinet.net.au> To: "Erica Waddell" <ericawaddell@shaw.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: GRANT - WALKER - STUART > Hi Erica, > > My Lachlan GRANT married Jane WALKER on 14.2.1824 in Ardclach, Nairn. > They > came to Australia in 1857. Any connection? > > Lachlan was the son of John GRANT and Mary STUART. > > I am off air for a couple of weeks while holidaying in Melbourne. Meeting > up with some GRANT family! > > Cheers!.........Judy ----- Original Message ----- Erica, May I run a couple of names by you to see if there is any connection that might be made to your STUARTS? My gggrand uncle, JOHN STUART, was born in 1783 in Speymouth according to grant applications filed in New Brunswick in 1814. JOHN STUART, who never married, was joined in 1816 in New Brunswick by his 10-year old nephew, his brother's son, CHARLES STUART (my gggrandfather). JOHN STUART's unmarried sister, MAY, also lived with them in Canada. In his obituary, CHARLES STUART was listed as having been born in "Sutherland Shire, Scotland" in 1806. Other family names include Alexander, Mary, Margaret. I join in on your thanks to the fascinating people on this list who I enjoy learning from! Susan in California >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Milton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/1185.2137.2221 Message Board Post: Was your George related to John Milton, the poet?? My great grandmother was Helen Reid Milton. She married Wm. Phillip Masson about 1886 ,in Tullynessle. My grandmother, born 1889, said John Milton was a great????uncle. Butch

> My GGG-grandfather James Harper married Mary Laing in Banffshire in > 1859 and had children: Mary (1859) Margaret (1861) Robert (1863) William > > (1865). Too many Harpers in 1841 census to determine James' parents. Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and download the image of the 1859 marriage certificate. This will tell you the names of the couple's parents. You can also get the 1861 census entry and the children's birth certificates. HTH Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COUL ANDREW SHEPHERD Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2784 Message Board Post: Alexander Coul/Coull and May/Mary/Marjory Andrew married in Alvah in 1836, and had eight daughters who survived - Isabel, Elizabeth, Janet, Mary, Jean, Elspet, Betty and Margaret. IGI has too many possible marriages to distinguish. Would love to hear from anyone else researching the Coull lines.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HARPER LAING Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2783 Message Board Post: My GGG-grandfather James Harper married Mary Laing in Banffshire in 1859 and had children: Mary (1859) Margaret (1861) Robert (1863) William (1865). Too many Harpers in 1841 census to determine James' parents. Interested in contact from anyone else researching Harper and Laing families in northeastern Scotland

Re: Mary's question about schools in Enzie, Anne suggested: > I wonder whether the book on Banffshire schools and schoolmasters > would help? I was at ANESFHS today and looked it up. There appear, at various times, to have been schools at Cowfurrach (SPCK), Craiglug ('a dame school'), at Smerick Cottage (also a 'dame school'), Slackhead (Free Church, but apparently RC children also attended), Arradoul (supported by the 'big hoose' at Cairnfield), Shielburn, Clochan, and Portgordon. The author occsionally refers to school logs, but only for those schools which operated after 1870. Gavin Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller, Calder, Henderson, Sutherland, Skorgie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/677.1 Message Board Post: Please note that I have changed my email address, but I still welcome correspondence regarding my surname interests. My new email address is: sandi_miller@shaw.ca . Thank you very much. Sandi

I'm Erica, ms CRUMLIN, with GRANT, WALKER, STUART and PHIMISTER connections in Moray and Banff. Also many MORRISONS and CAMPBELLS in Argyll, as well as MCSPORRANS. I'm first generation Canadian, living in the Vancouver area of BC. Parents born in Glasgow and moved to Canada in the early 1960s. The wealth of knowledge to be gleaned from this list never ends to astound me. Thanks to everyone who shares their time and information! Erica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Knox" <jan@kx1.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: [MORAY] ] ROLL CALL > > > > > I'm Sandy (Alexandra) from Ladysmith, Australia and my MASSON's come > from > Rafford, Dallas, Pluscarden and Elgin. Namely William MASSON m. Agnes > McGillivray at Stoneyfields, Pluscarden. Sandy >> > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

> > My Cunningham ancestors from Slackhead in the Rathven/Enzie area > > seemed to have been illiterate although I believe there was a good > > standard in schools at the time(mid 19th century). > > can anyone tell me what the local school would be ... > I don't know about quality, but as regards quantity of educational > opportunity, the 'New Statistical Account' article on Rathven (written > March 1842) states: "The number of the schools in the parish is fourteen. > Six of these are endowed [ie the salary of the teacher was paid out of > parish funds] and the other eight are supported by fees." Annoyingly, the > names and locations of these schools are not given. I wonder whether the book on Banffshire schools and schoolmasters would help? Grant Lodge had a copy, but the books have not yet come out of storage so I don't think it's available to check in Elgin, but maybe someone else has access to a copy? Anne

Mary wrote: > My Cunningham ancestors from Slackhead in the Rathven/Enzie area > seemed to have been illiterate although I believe there was a good > standard in schools at the time(mid 19th century). > can anyone tell me what the local school would be ... I don't know about quality, but as regards quantity of educational opportunity, the 'New Statistical Account' article on Rathven (written March 1842) states: "The number of the schools in the parish is fourteen. Six of these are endowed [ie the salary of the teacher was paid out of parish funds] and the other eight are supported by fees." Annoyingly, the names and locations of these schools are not given. There are additional uncertainties in that (1) since 1835, the western end of the parish (including Slackhead) had become the 'quoad sacra' parish of Enzie, which had separate Registers of Baptism and Marriage. I have not been able to find out whether it had an independent school. (2) the Enzie area contained a high proportion of Roman Catholics, and again, I do not know what separate educational provision they may have made. To return to the 'New Statistical Account', which continues (in slightly self-contradictory terms): "In an extensive parish of this kind, it cannot be very easily ascertained what number of the young, betwixt six and fifteen years of age, cannot read or write. There are few, if any, who are not able to read; but a considerable number cannot write." This latter may well have been the situation of your ancestors. They will probably have been taught enough to be able to read the Bible, but in some schools (particularly 'adventure' schools, where the teacher depended entirely on fees to make a living) being taught to write cost extra. > ...and whether any school records/teachers reports survive. It is unusual for school records to survive earlier than the introduction of state schooling in the 1870s. > If so where are they kept? because of the complicated administrative history of the Northeast, it could be either Aberdeen City Archives or Moray Archives. Gavin Bell

Dear Listers, My Cunningham ancestors from Slackhead in the Rathven/Enzie area seemed to have been illiterate although I believe there was a good standard in schools at the time(mid 19th century). can anyone tell me what the local school would be and whether any school records/teachers reports survive. If so where are they kept? Mary

Thankyou Elizabeth, This is terribly sad. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <EnpGabriel@aol.com> To: <SCT-BANFFSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: [Banff] Earls of Fife > Here's one that may be relevant: > > 171) This stone was erected by order of the Right Honourable James, Earl > of > Fife, in memory of Alexander Imlach, John Strachan, William Murgauch, and > William Cruickshank, four of his Lordship's gardeners, who lost their > lives > attempting to cross the River Dovern in a small boat at the King's Foord > when the > river was greatly swell'd by rain upon the 14th of June, 1768. And of > Alexander Andrew, who in going home to the farm of Corskie in a dark night > missed > his way, and lost his life in the Gellyburn upon the 2nd of December, > 1774 . > > Elizabeth Gabriel > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Is anyone studying the DUFFs, Earls of Fife, founders of Dufftown, MPs for Banff and builders of Duff House.? I am particularly interested to know about the household at Duff House in the late 1700s and early 1800s and if there are any records of the servants. I have read the gravestone in Banff of John HARDEN, at Duff House and am keen to find any others who were in service to the DUFFs. Banff Cemetery : (236) Sacred to the memory of John Harden of Ardyne, who died at Duff House on the 31st day of December, 1810, in his 61st year. Universally esteemed for the uniform propriety and incorruptible integrity that marked his conduct during forty years that he was employed in the service of the late James and Alexander, Earls of Fife. (Thanks to Gordon Troup) Best Wishes, Jane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Donald Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ReC.2ACI/2772.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Mary, Can't connect your Mary to my James Donald yet -- altho' James' son William b. Nov. 1773 would be right age to be father of Mary. I show William married to an Elspeth Ingram in 1802, and one son, James. Haven't found other children yet. Will keep your info on file in case anything else shows up. Marilyn

8th April 1855 John Laurance 22 farm servant parents John Laurence labourer and Ann Laurence m.s. Farquhar Margaret Sutherland 23 of Findochty dressmaker parents John Sutherland carter and Helen Sutherland m.s. Clark witnesses: John Davidson William Laurence

no. 20 John Strachan farm overseer married to Elizabeth Patterson age 79 years 27th December, 1874 Hillside Parish of Fordyce parents: William Strachan farmer deceased [blank] Strachan m.s. Smith informant: William Strachan son Berryleys Parish of Cairney

1874 Deaths in the District of Fordyce in the County of Banff no. 19 James Sutherland fisherman married to Jane Watt previously to Mary Lawrence 19th December, 1874 Sandend Fordyce age 71 years parents: John Sutherland Tailor deceased Janet Sutherland m.s. Wood deceased informant: William Sutherland son Seatown Portsoy

The inscription as transcribed by Monica G Anton reads: Erected by Elizabeth, Ann & Jane Andrew to the memory of Ann Steinson (sic) their mother d. Fattiehead 29 Mar 1846 aged 67. Above Jane d. there 5 Jan 1863 aged 42. John Andrew their father d. there 16 Aug 1867 in 87th year. Above Ann wife of Robert McInnes seaman d. Banff 22 Feb 1892 aged 73; above Elizabeth d. Banff 28 Nov 1892 in 80th year. Ian A C Scott

1863 Deaths in the parish of Rathven in the County of Banff no. 19 John Burnett Gibb single 21st February, 1863 Findochty 11 months parents: John Gibb merchant Jemima Gibb m.s. Fraser no. 20 David Sutherland 2nd March, 1863 Findochty age 49 years parents: William Sutherland fisherman deceased Isobel Sutherland m.s. Smith deceased informant Joseph Sutherland brother no. 21 Alexander Reid single 2nd March, 1863 Nether Buckie age 13 years parents: James Reid fisherman Janet Reid m.s. Coul