Babs, I know, flying seems like cheating. I feel I have to arrive by sea to truly honour my ancestors. I was wondering where to stay in Oban. Thanks for the suggestion. One year I was at a B&B, but a 7:00am departure requires you to be out of the house pretty early. One year I stayed on the ferry itself, though it was noisy when the cars started loading! Wonder if CalMac still offers this? (That was 20 years ago.) Russ >From: BabsFayth@aol.com >Reply-To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Ferry May 20th >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:44:30 EST > >Oh, ya, but Russ, where's the romance in a little 50 minute hop in a scary >little airplane. And you miss the opportunity to watch and listen to all >the >little kids running up and down the aisles of the ferry boat, screaming >with >delight, mindless of your wish to catch a few more zzzzzzzs. > >Are you staying at the Islander's favorite, the Harbour View, the night >before, too? > >Less than 100 days. > >Babs > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi Barbara, Thank you for pointing that out. I've been back to my sources, which support her early marriage:- On the 1841 Census for Hough Mary's age is 35 (Therefore born ca. 1806) On the1851 Census in Moss Mary is 45 (Again, born ca. 1806) On 25th Oct 1861Mary died aged ca. 53 which would make her even younger (born ca. 1808) However, I've just noticed that I'd not entered the information John Black in Australia so kindly sent me. Taken from the CD-ROM "Scottish Records" at his FHC; Mary McLean, daughter of Lachlan MC LEAN and Ann MC PHAIDEN, was christened on 1 Nov 1799 in Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll. With kind regards and thanks Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <BabsFayth@aol.com> To: <SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] MC NEIL, MC LEAN and MCPFAYDEN (and spelling variants) > Gail, I was just looking at some dates here in your email - > > On 13 Oct 1795 Lachlan MC LEAN, a crofter, married Mary McPFAYDEN in > Kilninian, Argyll. > > Then you say: > > Their daughter, Mary b. ca. 1808 then married Lachlan MCNIEL, b. ca. 1801 > on > 15 Oct 1822. > > I am wondering because That would have made daughter Mary only 14 when she > married Lachlan McNiel. Yikes, but that is really young, even for those > times. > and Lachlan would have been 21. > > Sorry, this is not my line as near as I can tell even though I do have > some > McLeans. > > See you in May. > > Barbara Humphrey > Babs > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Oh, ya, but Russ, where's the romance in a little 50 minute hop in a scary little airplane. And you miss the opportunity to watch and listen to all the little kids running up and down the aisles of the ferry boat, screaming with delight, mindless of your wish to catch a few more zzzzzzzs. Are you staying at the Islander's favorite, the Harbour View, the night before, too? Less than 100 days. Babs

Babs, I plan to be on the ferry on the 20th as well (though I must admit a 50 minute plane ride is awfully tempting. I checked it out and it is only $197 CAD return. Saves bus + train + ferry plus over a day of travel.) Let's see, how will we stand out from the windsurfers, the tweedy English birdwatchers, . . . Russ McGillivray >From: BabsFayth@aol.com >Reply-To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Kirk Session Minutes Tiree >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:09:40 EST > >Dear Iain Campbell, > >Many thanks for sharing the fruits of your research with us. We (I am) are >so grateful to have this fascinating information. I hope you are planning >to be > at the Gathering on Tiree in May. Perhaps we will all meet on the ferry >from > Oban on Saturday, May 20. We should decide on a symbol of some kind to >wear >to identify ourselves to each other. Hope to see you then to thank you in >person for the incredible work you have done. > >Barbara Humphrey ("Babs") >descendant of Neil Cameron who left Tiree with his mother, several brothers >and sisters on the Charlotte, 20 June 1849 > > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hello Barbara, I will not be able to attend the Tiree gathering in May as I have work commitments. I am glad to share what bits and pieces I turn up as what is of little consequence for me may be that missing link for someone else. So far I have not come across any Camerons in my tree which consists of mainly MacDonalds and Campbells. Hope you all enjoy your gathering in May. Regards Iain Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: <BabsFayth@aol.com> To: <SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Kirk Session Minutes Tiree > Dear Iain Campbell, > > Many thanks for sharing the fruits of your research with us. We (I am) are > so grateful to have this fascinating information. I hope you are planning > to be > at the Gathering on Tiree in May. Perhaps we will all meet on the ferry > from > Oban on Saturday, May 20. We should decide on a symbol of some kind to > wear > to identify ourselves to each other. Hope to see you then to thank you in > person for the incredible work you have done. > > Barbara Humphrey ("Babs") > descendant of Neil Cameron who left Tiree with his mother, several > brothers > and sisters on the Charlotte, 20 June 1849 > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Dear Listers, I would sincerely love to hear from anybody claiming a connection to or with on information on the following people. On 13 Oct 1795 Lachlan MC LEAN, a crofter, married Mary McPFAYDEN in Kilninian, Argyll. Their daughter, Mary b. ca. 1808 then married Lachlan MCNIEL, b. ca. 1801 on 15 Oct 1822. They had the following issue: Janet, b. 1826 Mull Flora, b. 1827 Mull Neil, b. 1829 Mary, b. 1831 Catherine, b. 1834 Alexander, b. 1836 Tiree Jiles (Julia), b. 1838 Tiree Donald, b.1838 Tiree Marion, b. 1843 Tiree Ann, b. 1845 Tiree In 1841 the family was living at Hough, Tiree. A decade later Mary is a widow and living in the nearby township of Moss. She died on 25 Oct 1861. Her son, Neil was present. In 1872 Marion McNeil married a Richard BROWN in Glasgow and her brother, Donald married Mary NAPIER on 7 Dec 1877, also in Glasgow. Some time afterwards, ca 1880 these two couples then emigrated to the Eastern Cape. Their sister, Catherine married a Richard WEIR in Blythswood, Glasgow on 22 Dec 1863. Looking forward to meeting everybody at the Gathering in May, Gail Röthlin in Switzerland

David and Nadine, Meant to ask you this morning - have you got the date you subscribed to Family Tree for us - we still haven't received the January magazine yet and I was going to send an email asking what has happened but it would be better with the date of payment or the receipt, if you could let us have it we would be eternally grateful!!!! Luv Mum

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Gail, I was just looking at some dates here in your email - On 13 Oct 1795 Lachlan MC LEAN, a crofter, married Mary McPFAYDEN in Kilninian, Argyll. Then you say: Their daughter, Mary b. ca. 1808 then married Lachlan MCNIEL, b. ca. 1801 on 15 Oct 1822. I am wondering because That would have made daughter Mary only 14 when she married Lachlan McNiel. Yikes, but that is really young, even for those times. and Lachlan would have been 21. Sorry, this is not my line as near as I can tell even though I do have some McLeans. See you in May. Barbara Humphrey Babs

Is there a list for Coll , I am researching the McKay family Lachlan his wife Anne Stewart Their Sons GEORGE - JOHN - LACHLAN -HUGH . Daughters Anne Catherene -and Isobelle. George and John were born in Mull and they then Moved to Coll where the other children were born They arrived in Australia in 1838 aboard the ship BRILLIANT. There references were from the Rev Hugh McLean minister of Coll the Rev Arch Nicol minister of tyree and John McLean Donald Campbell and John Johosan elders .my question is was there a link between the parishes of Coll and Tyree or did they live in tyree prior to immigration. -----Original Message----- From: SCT-ARL-TIREE-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:SCT-ARL-TIREE-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2006 11:04 PM To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-D@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-ARL-TIREE-D Digest V06 #20

Dear Iain Campbell, Many thanks for sharing the fruits of your research with us. We (I am) are so grateful to have this fascinating information. I hope you are planning to be at the Gathering on Tiree in May. Perhaps we will all meet on the ferry from Oban on Saturday, May 20. We should decide on a symbol of some kind to wear to identify ourselves to each other. Hope to see you then to thank you in person for the incredible work you have done. Barbara Humphrey ("Babs") descendant of Neil Cameron who left Tiree with his mother, several brothers and sisters on the Charlotte, 20 June 1849

To all interested Tiree researchers, Following a recent visit to the National Archives Scotland I made the following notes which may be of some general interest to others. If my family connections sound like they may match any of yours please get in touch. Regards Iain Campbell ---------------------------------------------- Notes from my visit to the National Archives Scotland(NAS) on 08th Feb 2006 Iain Campbell, Tullibody, Scotland The purpose of this visit was to search the Tyree Kirk Session Minutes for any mention of Flora McDonald her mother Mary McDonald (nee McLean) or any reference to Archibald Campbell father to her son Neil Campbell born 1853. I know the name of Neil's father and mother as this is stated on Neil's wedding certificate of 1875 and from his stated age here I have a DOB of 1853. The census of 1861 has a Neil Campbell aged 7 as grandson to a widow Mary McDonald (63) and also in this household is a Flora McDonald (36) and shown as unmarried. From this I have concluded she is Neil's mother and my inability to find any marriage for a Flora McDonald and Archibald Campbell on ScotlandsPeople web site has reinforced my view that Neil was illegitimate. Searching this particular record of Tyree Kirk Session Minutes was very simple as the NAS have them available on computer in Edinburgh but not online. ---------------------------------- Entry:- Tyree 1845 The Poor List. Ref CH2/482/1/417 to 419 Mary MacDonald Kirkipoll Old & Sickly 8/- 486 P & C.B (Parish and Church Board perhaps?) Mary MacDonald Balimartin ditto 8/- 481 ditto Mary MacDonald Balefuill Sickly 8/- 481 ditto In the census of 1861 when Mary was shown as 63 yrs old and a Pauper she would have been only 48 yrs old in 1845 so whether she could be classed as "Old & Sickly" is perhaps less likely. Of the 3 Mary's the one described as just "Sickly" from Balefuill may be the most likely of the three. However 16 years have yet to elapse and so she may not yet be the Pauper she describes herself as in the census of 1861. The Kirk Session Minutes detail various illegitimate children up to April of 1851 (CH2/482/1/421) and then there is a break. The minutes then restart "At Helipol Sept 1854.etc.N. MacLean Minister of Tyree" Unfortunately the date I am interested in is in 1853, the period without any minutes, and so it would appear that this is where the trail goes cold and the likelihood of discovering which Archibald Campbell was definitely the father of Neil is now almost nil. From the Statistical Account of 1840 the minister states that there are no Episcopalian or Roman Catholics on Tyree and so I am not likely to find much from those records, however there were Baptists and non conformists on the island so all hope is not lost yet. An example of what might have been is given below, its relevance to my tree may yet be discovered since the family names mentioned all occur in my tree but they are strangers to me at this time! Kirkapol 21/11/1855 Isabella Campbell residing at Cornaigmor is pregnant and Neil MacKinnon, son of Donald MacKinnon crofter at Balmartin, but presently residing with his father-in-law Neil McDonald crofter at Kilmnlnaf(?) is the father of child. The child is expected about 26th November 1855 and Neil formally accepts that he is the child's father. The child was born on 04th Dec 1855 and Neil MacKinnon again acknowledges his responsibility as father of the child. The next entry in the minutes is not until 25th March 1857, which details another illegitimate birth and the appointment of a teacher in 1857. A new minister John Gregorson(?) Campbell is ordained in 1861 and there are some much more formal minutes and various parish posts are formalised back dated to 1851 in one case. The teacher is formally reappointed; salaries, baptismal fees etc are set. But unfortunately the new broom approach to the minutes and paperwork does not last long. Ref CH2/482/1/453 " The minutes of the session do not seem to have been entered in this book from 1865 until now and no record of the minutes during that period now remains" signed Hector MacKinnon, Minister of Tyree, March 29th 1893. An entry that was of some interest was on CH2/482/1/437 that gave details of Tyree population to 1861 but has had later additions to the list made up to 1921. There is no mention as to where these figures originated and they are just year and population number. Year Number 1801 2780 1811 3186 1821 4181 1831 4453 1841 4841 1851 3706 1861 3217 1871 2837 1881 2733 1891 2500 1901 2100 1911 1822 1921 1703 Some of these figures were later corroborated when browsing a book I stumbled upon in the library of the Scottish Genealogist Society, Edinburgh. "Argyll Estate Instructions Mull, Morven Tiree 1771-1805" Scottish History Society 1964 Edited by Eric R Cregeen MA Printed by T&A Constable Ltd. Year Population Source of Information 1747 1500 Chamberlain, quoting catechist list C1750 1509 Webster (his information compiled between 1743-1755) C1765 1793 Dr Walkers Observations. Probably too high an estimate. 1768 1676 James Turnbull, surveyors list. A farm by farm enumeration. 1776 1997 Accurate farm by farm estate census 1779 1881 Accurate farm by farm estate census (men absent at war) 1787 2306 Ministers catechist list 1792 2416 Old statistical account, compiled in March 1792 2443 Accurate farm by farm estate census compiled in October. 1802 2776 Chamberlain 1808 3200 MacDonalds "Agriculture in the Hebrides (1811)" 1831 4453 Official Census. The above book contains a pull out plan showing the location of all farms, acres, population and broken down to tenants and cotters per farm for 1768-9. There is a second pull out map showing the whole Argyll Estate and on this are marked all the main named farms circa 1780. Some other details that would be of interest are the lists of tenants by name and their farms in 1788-9 that were supplied with estate timber from forests in Mull. There are also details about number of ploughs etc on each farm. Another entry details the gross sales made (income generated) from various farms in a two year period before 1794 again giving number of tenants and the size of farms. The units of land are in "Mail-land" which equates approx to "3 Soums" but a useful glossary in the book explains that a "Soum" is a unit of grazing reckoned sufficient to keep a cow. My time with the book was very limited but it appeared to be a fairly readable account of the correspondence between the main estate manager for the Duke in Inverary and his local manager on Tiree. Specific people are mentioned by name when for instance rents are in arrears and evictions / actions are required by the Tiree manager and so this book would be a good reference work for anybody looking for family in the years 1771 to 1805, particularly if they were tenants rather that cottars. It should certainly give a fuller picture of what everyday life on Tiree was like in this period. In time I hope to get a copy of this book through my local library for a more leisurely read. Another book of possible interest to some:- "Scottish Population Statistics" Edited by James Gray KYD Published by T&A Constable Ltd 1952 for Scottish History Society. This book contains Websters Census enumerations for 1755 in its entirety on pages 1-81. Websters population total for Scotland in 1755 = 1,265,380 Elsewhere in the book a figure for England and Wales is given for this time as = 6,278,000 Iain Campbell 11/02/06

Greetings Keith How ironic that you were bumped off the Tiree list after all you have done for subscribers. All the best. Bryson Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Dash" <dashjk@ozemail.com.au> To: <SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] e-mail problems > My thanks to List Administrator, Scott Cameron, for his patient enquiries > at the RootsWeb end trying to sort out why I was unsubscribed from > SCT-ARL-TIREE List. As it turned out the problem was not with RootsWeb, > which manages its huge number of lists and message boards with amazing > efficiency, but with my local ISP, which for some unexplained reason > blocked all incoming e-mails from RootsWeb sites. I don't know if some > personal incoming e-mails were also blocked, so if I haven't responded > that is the likely reason. > > _________________ > Keith Dash > Sydney, Australia > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

My thanks to List Administrator, Scott Cameron, for his patient enquiries at the RootsWeb end trying to sort out why I was unsubscribed from SCT-ARL-TIREE List. As it turned out the problem was not with RootsWeb, which manages its huge number of lists and message boards with amazing efficiency, but with my local ISP, which for some unexplained reason blocked all incoming e-mails from RootsWeb sites. I don't know if some personal incoming e-mails were also blocked, so if I haven't responded that is the likely reason. _________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia

Can someone tell me please ,if there is a list of Monumental Inscriptions for Tiree? Mary

Louise: This may not be news to you but I just found this translation of one of your uncles poems (Hi Horo 's Na Horo Eile) here: http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiHIHORO.html. I am looking for a translation of "Oran Mhanitoba" but haven't found it yet. There are some oral interviews at this site (http://www.tiriodh.ed.ac.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=search). Searching for "Canada" I only got 3 hits one being: Background to Oran Mhanitoba. I assume that this site only has a few examples of Dr. Mackay et al. work. Do you know if that is true? Darryl Louise MacDougall wrote: > Thanks for this information Russ. Yes, we really need to figure out how to > get Dr. Mackay's interviews available to Tiree researchers. I am > particularly interested in the Kincardine and Bruce Township intereviews. > Does anyone have transcriptions of any of those? > > In addition to the Ontario intereviews you mentioned below, she also did > interviews out West. I know of one pioneer family in Saskatchewan who was > interviewed by her, and my own Great-great Uncle "Bard John McLean" who > emigrated from Balephuille to the Brandon area of Manitoba is featured in > her "Poets and Pioneers". In that article, she also tells of Dugald > McKinnon of Manitoba who went courting his future bride with his team of > trained moose (Dugald was a relative of Wallace Robertson of Winnipeg, MB, > and the Bard just mentioned was Wallace's great-great-uncle). > > Maybe Dr. Mackay will use some of her Canadian interview material in her > forthcoming book which is mentioned on the Tiree Archive website as follows: > > "Dr. Margaret A. Mackay. A Scottish Canadian, Margaret Mackay is Director of > the School of Scottish Studies at the University of Edinburgh, where she is > also Senior Lecturer in Scottish Ethnology. She is very well known in Tiree, > having undertaken extensive fieldwork in the island, focusing particularly > on emigration to Canada. She has written major articles on Tiree communities > in Canada, and is engaged in a book on the history of Tiree in the > eighteenth and nineteenth century." (Source: > http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~iodhlann/index.html and then click "Our Stucture") > > > About the tape by her which started this discussion, I think I might know > which one it is. I will dig around a bit and post a separate message about > it. > > Louise MacDougall > Vancouver Island, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ McGillivray [mailto:russmcgillivray@hotmail.com] > Sent: February 10, 2006 5:02 AM > To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada > > Darryl, > I have had the same experience Googling her name. > > I have a few old photocopies that were given to me many years ago: > > "Nineteenth Century Tiree Emigrant Communities in Ontario", Oral History, > The Journal of the Oral History Society, Vol 9 No 2, Autumn 1981, pp 49-61 > > "Poets and Pioneers" - publication information unknown > > Apparently there are audio tapes at the Sound Archive of the School of > Scottish Studies (Edinburgh) of interviews taped in 1974-75 and 1978-79 in > Brock Tp, Osprey Tp, Kincardine Tp and Bruce Tp. > > All of this could be quite interesting to many on our list if they could be > made available. > > Russ McGillivray > > > > > >> From: Darryl <stoutd@shaw.ca> >> To: russmcgillivray@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:58:34 -0800 >> >> Russ: >> >> Do you know if and where her emigration articles are available. I have >> not been able to find any with Google. >> >> Darryl >> >> Russ McGillivray wrote: >> >>> I wonder if this isn't a tape of a talk by Dr. Margaret McKay of the >>> School of Scottish Studies, Univ of Edinburgh, who has done much >>> research on Tiree emigration and published numerous articles. BTW, she >>> is scheduled to speak at the Tiree Gathering 2006. >>> >>> (just the guess of a genealogist used to jumping to conclusions based >>> on similarities of name!) >>> >>> Russ McGillivray >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Maureen Clarke <mauclarke@yahoo.com> >>>> Reply-To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >>>> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) >>>> >>>> This cassette is listed with Appalachian Regional Studies at Radford >>>> University. 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Thanks for this information Russ. Yes, we really need to figure out how to get Dr. Mackay's interviews available to Tiree researchers. I am particularly interested in the Kincardine and Bruce Township intereviews. Does anyone have transcriptions of any of those? In addition to the Ontario intereviews you mentioned below, she also did interviews out West. I know of one pioneer family in Saskatchewan who was interviewed by her, and my own Great-great Uncle "Bard John McLean" who emigrated from Balephuille to the Brandon area of Manitoba is featured in her "Poets and Pioneers". In that article, she also tells of Dugald McKinnon of Manitoba who went courting his future bride with his team of trained moose (Dugald was a relative of Wallace Robertson of Winnipeg, MB, and the Bard just mentioned was Wallace's great-great-uncle). Maybe Dr. Mackay will use some of her Canadian interview material in her forthcoming book which is mentioned on the Tiree Archive website as follows: "Dr. Margaret A. Mackay. A Scottish Canadian, Margaret Mackay is Director of the School of Scottish Studies at the University of Edinburgh, where she is also Senior Lecturer in Scottish Ethnology. She is very well known in Tiree, having undertaken extensive fieldwork in the island, focusing particularly on emigration to Canada. She has written major articles on Tiree communities in Canada, and is engaged in a book on the history of Tiree in the eighteenth and nineteenth century." (Source: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~iodhlann/index.html and then click "Our Stucture") About the tape by her which started this discussion, I think I might know which one it is. I will dig around a bit and post a separate message about it. Louise MacDougall Vancouver Island, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Russ McGillivray [mailto:russmcgillivray@hotmail.com] Sent: February 10, 2006 5:02 AM To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada Darryl, I have had the same experience Googling her name. I have a few old photocopies that were given to me many years ago: "Nineteenth Century Tiree Emigrant Communities in Ontario", Oral History, The Journal of the Oral History Society, Vol 9 No 2, Autumn 1981, pp 49-61 "Poets and Pioneers" - publication information unknown Apparently there are audio tapes at the Sound Archive of the School of Scottish Studies (Edinburgh) of interviews taped in 1974-75 and 1978-79 in Brock Tp, Osprey Tp, Kincardine Tp and Bruce Tp. All of this could be quite interesting to many on our list if they could be made available. Russ McGillivray >From: Darryl <stoutd@shaw.ca> >To: russmcgillivray@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:58:34 -0800 > >Russ: > >Do you know if and where her emigration articles are available. I have >not been able to find any with Google. > >Darryl > >Russ McGillivray wrote: >>I wonder if this isn't a tape of a talk by Dr. Margaret McKay of the >>School of Scottish Studies, Univ of Edinburgh, who has done much >>research on Tiree emigration and published numerous articles. BTW, she >>is scheduled to speak at the Tiree Gathering 2006. >> >>(just the guess of a genealogist used to jumping to conclusions based >>on similarities of name!) >> >>Russ McGillivray >> >> >>>From: Maureen Clarke <mauclarke@yahoo.com> >>>Reply-To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >>>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>This cassette is listed with Appalachian Regional Studies at Radford >>>University. The info says that many cassettes are available for >>>checkout but I haven't used them personally. >>>Maureen Clarke >>> >>>--- Dale Edmonstone <tobermory@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> >>> > Last year while surfing the Internet, I came across a listing for >>> > this recording at Radford University in Virginia, "Audio/Cass. >>> > DA750. MM1SS36.1993.1 Scottish Emigrants: Tiree to Canada By >>> > Maggie McKay". 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Visiting the cemeteries on Tiree is a very interesting experience. Deaths were not recorded. According to a fellow I met my the side of the road, when people died, they held a "wake" in the home of the deceased and then carried them up to the cemetery and buried them. The grave was marked with a "stone" - a Head stone. When I asked how the graves were identified, he said, "They knew." Of course when "they" were gone the identity of those buried went with them. In later years, very beautiful, grave stones with inscriptions were erected. There was someone from Scotland (Catriona ??) (she was at the Gathering in Guelph) was working on a project to photograph and record all of the inscriptions. I don't know what happened to that project. I offered to go over and devote myself to that, but never got a reply to my offer. Russ or Ann, can you help with this? Babs Barbara Humphrey

Hi Babs, Yes, you are thinking of my fourth cousin, Catriona Smyth (a MacDougall/McLucas). She is working with An Iodhlann on a project to do one of the cemeteries on Tiree, the East End one at Kirkapol. It is my understanding that she initiated the project herself since our MacDougalls were East Enders, and will eventually be producing the work for sale, with profits going to the Archive, out of gratitude for all the help they have given her over the years. I don't know if she has finished the "field work" on this project already, but she may have. I know the real work involved was going to be trying to match up the stones with the genealogy records (OPR etc., hence the Archive's involvement). However, last I heard there is still nothing planned for transcribing the West End cemetery (at Soroby, I think?). And the inscriptions are disappearing as we speak! So that is maybe where your generous offer could be best used. Why don't you write directly to the Archive? I will send you the contact info for them and for my cousin in a private message, and you can discuss it with them. Can you have it done in time for the Tiree Homecoming in May? ....just kidding... Louise MacDougall Vancouver Island, BC P.S. I hear there are some beautiful old medieval carved slabs in the West Cemetery. And over the centuries some of them have been used to make new burial stones. Which gets a gold star for recycling, but an "ouch" for history. It's hard for us in the "New World" to understand that -- I guess because we don't have any old history, we think it's more important than the "Old World" folk think it is -- probably just everyday commonplace to them. -----Original Message----- From: BabsFayth@aol.com [mailto:BabsFayth@aol.com] Sent: February 10, 2006 10:03 AM To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] MI's Visiting the cemeteries on Tiree is a very interesting experience. Deaths were not recorded. According to a fellow I met my the side of the road, when people died, they held a "wake" in the home of the deceased and then carried them up to the cemetery and buried them. The grave was marked with a "stone" - a Head stone. When I asked how the graves were identified, he said, "They knew." Of course when "they" were gone the identity of those buried went with them. In later years, very beautiful, grave stones with inscriptions were erected. There was someone from Scotland (Catriona ??) (she was at the Gathering in Guelph) was working on a project to photograph and record all of the inscriptions. I don't know what happened to that project. I offered to go over and devote myself to that, but never got a reply to my offer. Russ or Ann, can you help with this? Babs Barbara Humphrey ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 10/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 10/02/2006

Darryl, I have had the same experience Googling her name. I have a few old photocopies that were given to me many years ago: "Nineteenth Century Tiree Emigrant Communities in Ontario", Oral History, The Journal of the Oral History Society, Vol 9 No 2, Autumn 1981, pp 49-61 "Poets and Pioneers" - publication information unknown Apparently there are audio tapes at the Sound Archive of the School of Scottish Studies (Edinburgh) of interviews taped in 1974-75 and 1978-79 in Brock Tp, Osprey Tp, Kincardine Tp and Bruce Tp. All of this could be quite interesting to many on our list if they could be made available. Russ McGillivray >From: Darryl <stoutd@shaw.ca> >To: russmcgillivray@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:58:34 -0800 > >Russ: > >Do you know if and where her emigration articles are available. I have not >been able to find any with Google. > >Darryl > >Russ McGillivray wrote: >>I wonder if this isn't a tape of a talk by Dr. Margaret McKay of the >>School of Scottish Studies, Univ of Edinburgh, who has done much research >>on Tiree emigration and published numerous articles. BTW, she is scheduled >>to speak at the Tiree Gathering 2006. >> >>(just the guess of a genealogist used to jumping to conclusions based on >>similarities of name!) >> >>Russ McGillivray >> >> >>>From: Maureen Clarke <mauclarke@yahoo.com> >>>Reply-To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Emigrants to Canada >>>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>This cassette is listed with Appalachian Regional >>>Studies at Radford University. The info says that many >>>cassettes are available for checkout but I haven't >>>used them personally. >>>Maureen Clarke >>> >>>--- Dale Edmonstone <tobermory@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> >>> > Last year while surfing the Internet, I came across >>> > a listing for this recording at Radford University >>> > in Virginia, "Audio/Cass. DA750. MM1SS36.1993.1 >>> > Scottish Emigrants: Tiree to Canada By Maggie >>> > McKay". I emailed the University, but I did not >>> > receive any reply. >>> > Do any of our listers know of this recording or of >>> > Ms. McKay? >>> > >>> > Dale Edmonstone >>> > >>> > >>> > ============================== >>> > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and >>> > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share >>> > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >>> > >>>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >>============================== >>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >>