I think you may have solved one of my mysteries - why my aunt who was the second youngest of my grandparents eleven children had as her middle name, the name of the minister's wife (his surname was the same as my grandmother's as he was a relative so his wouldn't have been significant. Jean from Hampshire England ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Parish registers (Mary Paton) > 2. Re: Use of middle family name (Sarah Galbraith) > 3. Re: Use of middle family name (BT) > 4. Re: Use of middle family name (Ron & Mary Harris) > 5. Re: Morvern birth & Muckairn baptism (Les Horn) > 6. CURRIE / MACKAY / KENNEDY ([email protected]) > 7. CRAWFORD Family in Kilmun, Blairmore and Strone (Kim Rossleigh) > 8. Re: Surnames as middle names (Brian Maye) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:51:07 +0800 > From: Mary Paton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Parish registers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hello List, > > Morag asked the question below a while back and has had no replies. I > am interested in the same question so I wonder if there is an answer > out there? Post-1855 PRs could still be very interesting. > > Many thanks, > Mary in Oz > >>I've done much family research in England and used the parish >>registers way past the date of civil registration in England of 1837 >>(infact into the 1930's). Do parish registers in Scotland continue >>after civil registration in 1855? and if so can they be viewed? >>(and where). Also burial records are sparse for the parishes I am >>interested in in Argyll, would these have been recorded after >>1855? and if so are they held anywhere. I know that scotlandspeople >>provide civil death's after this date. But often parish registers >>can reveal other things. Although it is true in England that after >>1813 they become somewhat more formal. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:06:56 +0100 > From: "Sarah Galbraith" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Re middle names in general, rather than ones that appear later in life... > > In some parts of Argyll, particularly Kintyre, there was a custom related > to > middle names which might have been designed to confuse family historians. > > The FIRST child baptised by a minister, after he took up his post in a new > parish, would be given the minister's name as his or her middle names. > This > can sometimes lead to a child of Argyll parents having up to three extra > middle names - none of which might have any family significance at all. > > I've come across an example of this while researching my own family, but > because the child in question was not related to me, I did not note the > names - sorry. > > I do not think that this custom was very long-lived, but my mother > remembers > a Carradale man born in the early 1900s who was given the non-local middle > names of Somerville McLeod - the name of the minister who baptised him. > She > described it as "the done thing" at one time. > > Best regards > > Sarah > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:02:50 +0100 > From: "BT" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sarah > > Yes I agree entirely with what you say, and it's a very good point , as I > also know people who were given - not only a middle name but on some > occasions first names after the midwife , nurse, or GP, who was in > attendance at the birth. > > Regards > Stewart > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Galbraith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > > >> Re middle names in general, rather than ones that appear later in life... >> >> In some parts of Argyll, particularly Kintyre, there was a custom related > to >> middle names which might have been designed to confuse family historians. >> >> The FIRST child baptised by a minister, after he took up his post in a >> new >> parish, would be given the minister's name as his or her middle names. > This >> can sometimes lead to a child of Argyll parents having up to three extra >> middle names - none of which might have any family significance at all. >> >> I've come across an example of this while researching my own family, but >> because the child in question was not related to me, I did not note the >> names - sorry. >> >> I do not think that this custom was very long-lived, but my mother > remembers >> a Carradale man born in the early 1900s who was given the non-local >> middle >> names of Somerville McLeod - the name of the minister who baptised him. > She >> described it as "the done thing" at one time. >> >> Best regards >> >> Sarah >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 13/10/06 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:57:02 -0400 > From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi again, > > I think we have discussed this fact before (or was it on another list?), > but > children were often given middle names that came from the father's > employer > too. > > My great great great grandfather, Hugh MCGREGOR (1802 - 1874) came from > Balquhidder, Perth in the mid 1830s to work as overseer at 2 CAMPBELL > owned > farms, Inverneill & Taynish. (It is possible that the CAMPBELLs were some > relative to Hugh, but no proof of that yet.) His son, my great great > grandfather, was christened Dugald Campbell MCGREGOR in 1849. Another son > was called Joshua Bowden MCGREGOR. I have heard that a Mrs. CAMPBELL was a > BOWDEN by birth. A sister was called Ann Banner MCGREGOR but I have found > no > origins for the BANNER name yet. > > Mary > in Canada > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:44:01 +0100 > From: "Les Horn" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Morvern birth & Muckairn baptism > To: "Argyll Rootsweb" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi List > > I found the following, which may be of use to someone, whilst looking at > the Muckairn OPR : > > 1832 Born in the Parish of Morvern Alexander son > Oct 20th to Donald MacIntyre, Airdeny, and Janet > . MacFie his spouse. Baptised 6 Jany 1839. > > Regards > Les > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:32:12 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [ARGYLL] CURRIE / MACKAY / KENNEDY > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Hi Win > > I contacted you direct about 2 weeks ago but my email got lost in your > filtering system. I attach my original post (in normal type) with some > additions > (in italics). > > <I hope it's OK to contact you direct. I came across some messages on > the > Argyll email list from March 2005 concerning Christina and Murdoch > CURRIE. > > I am not related to the CURRIEs but Christina CURRIE (MS KENNEDY) was > the > sister of my gg grandfather and Murdoch CURRIE was the informant to the > death > of my gg grandfather. > > Therefore my interest in Murdoch C is only peripheral. However I was > interested enough to track Murdoch's parents - John Currie and Janet > Mackay. I > note from searching IGI that John CURRIE and Janet MACKAY had 4 children > born in > Morven - Peggy, Anne, Cirsty and Janet. Where was Murdoch born? I did > find > a Murdoch Currie born in Torosay to corretly named parents but I don't > know > if this is your Murdoch? Is it?> > > You posted recently that Murdoch and Hector were born in Torosay with 6 > additional children born in Morven. Can there be any doubt that the > Murdoch > CURRIE who married Christina KENNEDY is your Murdoch C from Torosay? I > am > descended from her parents - Neil KENNEDY and Flora M/S MacKAY. > > <In your message to the Argyll list 18 months ago you mentioned that you > had > no info on Murdoch CURRIE's descendants. I assume you have info now but, > just in case, I have found - again through searching the Morven records > of IGI > - 4 children born to Murdoch and Christina: > > Neil CURRIE: b 10 Sep 1830 Morven to Murdoch Currie and Cirsty Kennedy > John CURRIE b 7 Aug 1834 Morven > Archibald CURRIE b 23 Dec 1834 Morven > Flory CURRIE B 11 July 1839 Morven > > Again I hope it's OK to contact you direct, the info is of some interest > and > that you have info on Murdoch's birthplace. > > If I can be of any more help please contact me.> > > If you have any info you can forward re the birth of Murdoch CURRIE and > his > marriage to Christina KENNEDY I'd be very happy. I have info re death > of > both and re Murdoch's second marriage. > > Again thanks for your help and if I can do anything for you please let me > know. > > John S > > John S > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:32:50 +1000 > From: "Kim Rossleigh" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ARGYLL] CRAWFORD Family in Kilmun, Blairmore and Strone > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi List Members > > This is my first posting. I am trying to find any members with connections > to ROBERT CRAFORD / CRAWFORD who christened in 1737 in Dunoon. He married > AGNES / ANN TURNER / TURNOR BORN 1741, daughter of JOHN TURNER in 1759 in > DUNOON AND KILMUN. > > Their children were JANET 1761, ISOBEL 1765, ANDREW 1767, DONALD 1769, > ALEXANDER 1770 (who I descend from), PATRICK 1774 and MARY 1777. > > Also whenever I look up information on the Mormon internet site it gives > place of birth, marriage etc as "Dunoon and KIlmun". Was this a parish > name? > It sounds like 2 places! Sorry for my ignorance of this! > > Thanking you > > Regards > > Kim in Sydney Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ > House hunt online now! > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Oct06&_m=EXT > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:10:43 +1000 > From: Brian Maye <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Surnames as middle names > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.2]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > It seems that apart from tradition, the use of the name of a > grandparent or ggparent was a distinguishing tool where there were so > many people with the same forenames and surnames. Much the same goes > for the terms 'mor' for big which was not just descriptive but > distinguishing a certain person from another. > > This can sometimes create difficulties in AUS where often a person > called 'Tiny' or 'Lofty' is the very opposite. > > Anne Maye > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-ARGYLL list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCT-ARGYLL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 43 > ***************************************** >