Hi List I was wondering if someone with obviously a better handle on geography can help me pin point a location. R E F L E U C H farm On a 1795 map of the whole of Scotland it is given as the only place name on the coast road between Killean and Corran, which latter is at the south end of West Loch Tarbert and was the place from which the ferry to Knapdale ran in those days. In 1851 census Refleuch farm was listed as 300 acres ______ So Would the proper property description be: County of Argyll, District of Kintyre, Largie Estates, Parish of Kilcalmonell & Kilberry , Refleuch Farm ? The Largie Estates owned by the MacDonald.... I had another note In 1617, Kilcalmonell parish was detached from the rest of Kintyre. It was passed from the Earl of Argyll to the Earl of Knapdale. Knapdale is on the north side of Tarbert Loch and includes the parish of Kilberry. So did it go from Earl of Argyll.....to Earl of Knapdale... then back ? As you can see I am missing something Cheery from Snowy Northern Ontario sheila stewart - lafleur

Sheila. Go into the site below and click on links, it may be of help Regards John http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] proper property description > Hi List > > I was wondering if someone with obviously a better handle on geography can > help me pin point a location. > > R E F L E U C H farm > On a 1795 map of the whole of Scotland it is given as the only place name on > the coast road between Killean and Corran, which latter is at the south end > of West Loch Tarbert and was the place from which the ferry to Knapdale ran > in those days. > > In 1851 census Refleuch farm was listed as 300 acres > ______ > > So Would the proper property description be: > > County of Argyll, District of Kintyre, Largie Estates, Parish of > Kilcalmonell & Kilberry , Refleuch Farm ? > > The Largie Estates owned by the MacDonald.... > > I had another note > > In 1617, Kilcalmonell parish was detached from the rest of Kintyre. It was > passed from the Earl of Argyll to the Earl of Knapdale. Knapdale is on the > north side of Tarbert Loch and includes the parish of Kilberry. > > So did it go from Earl of Argyll.....to Earl of Knapdale... then back ? As > you can see I am missing something > > Cheery from Snowy Northern Ontario > > sheila stewart - lafleur > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.4/532 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 > >

Sheila I'll get back to you later today or tomorrow as I've just this minute returned from a week on the mainland. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] proper property description > Hi List > > I was wondering if someone with obviously a better handle on geography can > help me pin point a location. > > R E F L E U C H farm > On a 1795 map of the whole of Scotland it is given as the only place name > on > the coast road between Killean and Corran, which latter is at the south > end > of West Loch Tarbert and was the place from which the ferry to Knapdale > ran > in those days. > > In 1851 census Refleuch farm was listed as 300 acres > ______ > > So Would the proper property description be: > > County of Argyll, District of Kintyre, Largie Estates, Parish of > Kilcalmonell & Kilberry , Refleuch Farm ? > > The Largie Estates owned by the MacDonald.... > > I had another note > > In 1617, Kilcalmonell parish was detached from the rest of Kintyre. It was > passed from the Earl of Argyll to the Earl of Knapdale. Knapdale is on the > north side of Tarbert Loch and includes the parish of Kilberry. > > So did it go from Earl of Argyll.....to Earl of Knapdale... then back ? As > you can see I am missing something > > Cheery from Snowy Northern Ontario > > sheila stewart - lafleur > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of the surname LAMONT. I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil and Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the given names FLORA and MORE?? Thanks for any suggestions!! Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

I have Janet McNEILL m. Allan McNABB in 1855 in the Parish of Abbey Landward, County of Renfrew. Janet's parents were Alexander McNEILL & Helen HURT but I don't know where they came from only that Janet was born in May 1829 in Eaglesham. Sandy (Wagga x 2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "david and lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Name Change Query McILOHOIM - McILAHOIMBIE - McIHERVIE ToLAMONT ? >I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish > name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the > surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of > the > surname LAMONT. > I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil > and > Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the > marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora > McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from > 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? > > Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the > given names FLORA and MORE?? > > Thanks for any suggestions!! > > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley My Gaelic isn't sufficiently advanced to make sense of that surname. But re the given names, Flory is an alternative to Flora, and More is a mispelling of Moire pronounced "moyra" (very loosely!) being the gaelic for Mary. Hope this helps Rod Trentham Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "david and lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Name Change Query McILOHOIM - McILAHOIMBIE - McIHERVIE ToLAMONT ? >I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish > name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the > surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of > the > surname LAMONT. > I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil > and > Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the > marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora > McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from > 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? > > Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the > given names FLORA and MORE?? > > Thanks for any suggestions!! > > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rod, Thanks for your response. I will note both the options of Flory and Mary for future reference! I was also doing a bit of 'surfing' when I came across a site which lists the angicised alternatives to Gaelic first names. They had a listing for MOR as being a female name [ Gaelic for 'Great'] which was most commonly anglicised to Sarah. As this was in fact the name of my gggrandmother, I think I may have (happily) stumbled on to her actual baptismal record!! Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia