Hi Jill, Many thanks for taking the time to search for me. I had searched for it earlier when I saw it written in the birth certificate of her sister; it was not included in the register entries on the birth of a brother, nor of a younger sister, all born on or after 1855. I have become accustomed to seeing a middle family name on a birth certificate. It seems that following the death of her father in 1905 she decided to keep the name alive by writing it when she witnessed the subsequent marriage of her son. I was curious about the sudden use of it all those years later, instead of her maiden surname following her marriage when it was not included in her marriage certificate. I thought the incidence of the use was worth sharing, as well as making an enquiry about it. As a matter of interest, all of the records you have been able to produce are post the births of Elizabeth Vigrow [m.s.Campbell] Rowatt and her siblings. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hardy Plants" > Where have you looked? > The IGI comes up with 20 of them > AGNES MACKAY VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 14 NOV 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 2. CATHERINE JANE VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 18 JAN 1866 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 3. EMMA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Kilmore And Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland > > 4. GEORGE WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 14 DEC 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > > 5. ISABELLA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 26 APR 1864 Feltham, London, England > > 6. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 24 JAN 1864 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 7. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1864 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland > > 8. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1836 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 9. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1860 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland > > 10. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 04 AUG 1866 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 11. JOSEPH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1868 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 12. M. W. VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 11 SEP 1866 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland > > 13. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1844 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 14. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1862 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 15. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JUL 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 16. SARAH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1833 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 17. SCOTT VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 09 MAR 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland > > 18. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 09 DEC 1857 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 19. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1858 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 20. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 02 JAN 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, > Scotland > > >> My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] after >> her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her Mother's >> maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as a >> middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not been >> able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. >> >> Has anyone come across the name?

Janet and list, It's been mentioned that family surnames often appear as middle names in Scotland and I've seen that this can cause misunderstandings and errors in English records. My grandmother Catherine Sinclair Campbell McCallum married Arthur W King and they had 2 children in India in the early 1900s while with the Royal Scots. The births were recorded for the Battalion Chaplains by the English authorities and her name was messed up altogether. On my mother's birth cert 1907 it says name and maiden surname of mother: Catherine Sinclair Campbell - and on my uncle's 1909 she became Katherine Sinclair King formerly Campbell So what about McCallum? What's in a name, you might say - but it is a pity to lose things - not to mention the brick walls in family history it might have caused. Fortunately, one of the few things I did know about my past was my grandmother's full name. Incidentally, her sister's military birth in Malta 1892, (when greatgrandmama Mary McVean was on her way to India) seems to have been recorded correctly: Jessie McKenzie Campbell McCallum. Maybe one day I'll fork out the 10 euros to order the record and find out what they made of parents John McCallum and Mary M(a)cVean. On my grandmother's marriage record, mum was Mary Vean - and that was a Scottish archive! Just goes to show that the people involved may not necessarily have influenced what actually went down on record. Maybe that also happened in your family's records, Janet. Good luck in your quest, Katie de Haan NL MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 BEATON BETHUNE Skye pre 1670 KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > Hi Jill, Many thanks for taking the time to search for me. I had searched > for it earlier when I saw it written in the birth certificate of her > sister; it was not included in the register entries on the birth of a > brother, nor of a younger sister, all born on or after 1855. I have > become accustomed to seeing a middle family name on a birth certificate. > It seems that following the death of her father in 1905 she decided to > keep the name alive by writing it when she witnessed the subsequent > marriage of her son. I was curious about the sudden use of it all those > years later, instead of her maiden surname following her marriage when it > was not included in her marriage certificate. I thought the incidence of > the use was worth sharing, as well as making an enquiry about it. > > As a matter of interest, all of the records you have been able to produce > are post the births of Elizabeth Vigrow [m.s.Campbell] Rowatt and her > siblings. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hardy Plants" > >> Where have you looked? >> The IGI comes up with 20 of them >> AGNES MACKAY VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 14 NOV 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 2. CATHERINE JANE VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 18 JAN 1866 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 3. EMMA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Kilmore And Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland >> >> 4. GEORGE WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 14 DEC 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland >> >> 5. ISABELLA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 26 APR 1864 Feltham, London, England >> >> 6. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 24 JAN 1864 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 7. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1864 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 8. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1836 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 9. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1860 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 10. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 04 AUG 1866 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 11. JOSEPH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1868 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 12. M. W. VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 11 SEP 1866 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland >> >> 13. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1844 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, >> Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 14. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1862 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 15. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JUL 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 16. SARAH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1833 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, >> Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 17. SCOTT VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 09 MAR 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland >> >> 18. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 09 DEC 1857 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 19. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1858 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 20. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 02 JAN 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, >> Midlothian, >> Scotland >> >> >>> My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] >>> after >>> her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her >>> Mother's >>> maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as >>> a >>> middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not >>> been >>> able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. >>> >>> Has anyone come across the name? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > Hi Jill, Many thanks for taking the time to search for me. I had searched > for it earlier when I saw it written in the birth certificate of her > sister; it was not included in the register entries on the birth of a > brother, nor of a younger sister, all born on or after 1855. I have > become accustomed to seeing a middle family name on a birth certificate. > It seems that following the death of her father in 1905 she decided to > keep the name alive by writing it when she witnessed the subsequent > marriage of her son. I was curious about the sudden use of it all those > years later, instead of her maiden surname following her marriage when it > was not included in her marriage certificate. I thought the incidence of > the use was worth sharing, as well as making an enquiry about it. > > As a matter of interest, all of the records you have been able to produce > are post the births of Elizabeth Vigrow [m.s.Campbell] Rowatt and her > siblings. > Then I would be tempted to suggest its a mis spelling that has been adopted There is a line of Bowis's in New Zealand which I could not work out how they fitted with the rest known in the UK. After some digging and working out of details sent by the family notes from there it transpires that they became Bowis from Bowes within the birth of 3 children and the distance of some 500 miles. !!! Mr Bowes is born in Scotland, marries and has Junior one Bowes By the time they have Junior 4 they are in England and all are called Bowis It is with that name that they emigrate and so it sticks As to using the middle name of a grandmother I have that in other Scots families. One had me confused for a while as the daughter was named ###### Weir ######### and it looked very much like her mothers M.S was also Weir. Eventually I found that mother was Haire and her mother was Weir. !!!! Don't you just love these conundrums regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre