Out of curiosity, I just tried the link that Les used in his last email and everything seems to be working fine now.... Margaret in Canada

Dear Catherine, I have a bunch of MacLeishes, but they all seem to have originated in Perthshire. Still, maybe the names will mean something to you: John Mac(Mc)LEISH married Mary MacLAREN 10 November 1827 in Little Dunkeld. These are the children I've found, all born in Little Dunkeld: Janet, 1828 William, 1831 James, 1833 (m. Margaret CAMERON) John, 1835 Donald, 1839 (m. Catherine PATEN 1882; m. Ellin MENZIES 1889; m. Janet ANDERSON 1901) Archibald, 1841 (m. Catherine MENZIES 1879) James had at least two children, John and Margaret. Donald had at least one child by Catherine PATEN: John; he had two children by Ellin MENZIES: Christina and Mary (died as an infant). I haven't been able to find out what happened to John or Christina. Archibald had one child: Archibald Donald. He never married, and died in Duror, Argyll. Ellin(Helen) and Catherine MENZIES were sisters, daughters of John MENZIES of Duror, Argyll. If there's anything here that rings any bells, do let me know. Sheila in Missouri

Hello I am trying to trace any relatives of Daniel McLeish (banker in Fort William) My relative Jane Scott Linton married him in 1862 at Coruanan Farm, Onich but she died in 1871 age 40 after having about 4 children. He is mentioned in Jane's fathers will (James Linton) and they are both buried in the family plot in Fort William. Thanks Catherine Linton Hewit Edinburgh, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 11 October 2008 08:02 To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 146 ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Today's Topics: 1. Re: James and Ann MCPHAIL ( nee WALKER ) (Brian Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:20:53 +0800 From: "Brian Johnson" <bjohnson3@vtown.com.au> Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] James and Ann MCPHAIL ( nee WALKER ) To: "Elinor Hickey" <elinor1@sympatico.ca>, <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <008801c92aeb$c9545c40$6401a8c0@ibmbnb041v> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Elinor for your kind response Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elinor Hickey" <elinor1@sympatico.ca> To: "Brian Johnson" <bjohnson3@vtown.com.au>; <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] James and Ann MCPHAIL ( nee WALKER ) > Hi Brian, > > I don't have anything on James McPhail other than his sister Margaret > McPhail married Finlay McGilp. The McGilp name is is my McLeish family. If > Finlay McGilp is the son of Dugald (all) McGilp and Agnes (Ann) Campbell he > is one of mine. > > Best wishes, > Elinor. > > ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-ARGYLL list administrator, send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-ARGYLL mailing list, send an email to SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 146 ****************************************** This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2007/11/0032.) In case of problems, please call your organisation s IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. ******************************************************** This e-mail (and any files or other attachments transmitted with it) is intended solely for the attention of the addressee(s). Unauthorised use, disclosure, storage, copying or distribution of any part of this e-mail is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient please destroy the email, remove any copies from your system and inform the sender immediately by return. Communications with the Scottish Government may be monitored or recorded in order to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. The views or opinions contained within this e-mail may not necessarily reflect those of the Scottish Government. ******************************************************** The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2007/11/0032.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes.

Here is a message from Hugh Wallis about his IGI Batch number pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis: Site not available at present. Let’s hope it is operating again soon. > "It appears some people have reported getting virus warnings from the site > but, unless it is in the stuff ancestry.com adds, there is no virus there, > and certainly not one inserted by me. I suspect ancestry.com have taken > it > offline. I also suspect that the anti-virus software that is giving these > warnings is over zealous and has applied a heuristic detection algorithm > to > produce the warnings - and those algorithms are well known for producing > occasional "false positives". Most reputable anti-virus software like AVG > and Norton report the site as clean (or did until it was taken down by > ancestry.com) > > Unfortunately I have no control over it since ancestry.com do not even > provide a means for me to change the password that is necessary to update > the site. If some evil hacker has obtained that password somehow I can do > nothing about it. > > Actually I have not even accessed nor updated the site myself for many > months. > > Having no time to investigate further I shall be leaving it in the hands > of > ancestry.com - but they have not had the courtesy even to contact me so I > don't know to what extent they intend to address the issue > > Thanks > > Hugh”

Thanks Elinor for your kind response Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elinor Hickey" <elinor1@sympatico.ca> To: "Brian Johnson" <bjohnson3@vtown.com.au>; <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] James and Ann MCPHAIL ( nee WALKER ) > Hi Brian, > > I don't have anything on James McPhail other than his sister Margaret > McPhail married Finlay McGilp. The McGilp name is is my McLeish family. If > Finlay McGilp is the son of Dugald (all) McGilp and Agnes (Ann) Campbell he > is one of mine. > > Best wishes, > Elinor. > >

Hello Kirsten, As you have seen my reply to Duncan and Pam I won't repeat what I've already said. The book itself has a great deal of information about land ownership and usage therefore there are few references to the female population other than those owning land. There are interesting articles from Diaries and Memoirs which give a picture of life down through the past two centuries, including the evictions that took place. I think the farm you refer to as Laudle has changed ie: Laldie 1494 Lawdill 1674 Laudale 1755 remains of 6 houses - 2 houses occupied until World War 11 Laudell 1770 Glenladale 1789 Laudile 1824 The farm is situated on the lower side of Loch Sunart. There is a reference to Hugh MacMaster born 1796 who was the head shepherd at Achranich {there are no Mc in the index only Mac} also a footnote about his daughter Anne who was 20 in the 1841 Census but only 26 ten years later "probably because they were being paid for casual labour by the estate at rates higher than their real ages justified." As your Mary McMaster was born 1799 could they have been related? There is an entry under the heading of Lochaline Village about 1868 describing a row of houses some being slated and others thatched, "a two story building built by a man by the name of Angus Morrison, the ground floor of which was let to a Publican the name of MacInnes and the upper floor to tenants." Also an entry for John Morison as a tenant at Achnaha. I will try to scan the map and send it directly to your email address as an attachment. Regards, Mary

Does anyone know if there exist any church records for the area of Morven before 1803? I am lead to believe that there might be 2 books that might help a bit, at least in giving some context: Morvern - A Highland parish, by Norman Macleod and Morvern Transformed - A Highland Parish in the 19th century by Phillip Gaskell. Does anyone have a copy of these and if so, I would be really grateful if they could tell me if there is any mention of the Campbells of Barr or the area of Barr in Morvern, or Mungostle, and anything else that rings bells in terms of the cutting? Best Wishes Duncan Duncan & Pam McMillan

Hello Duncan and Pam, Yes I do have a copy of Morvern Transformed - A Highland Parish in the Nineteenth Century by Philip Gaskell published in 1968 by Cambridge University Press which I obtained online from "abe books", cost was 15 pounds, the book is in very good condition. If you google abe books you can search by Title or Author. I have no connection to abe books other than a satisfied customer as I have purchased several out of print books through their service. Yes, Duncan Campbell of Barr { sometimes spelled Baar } was a tenant farmer at Barr 1754 - 1792 the lease was not renewed in 1792. There is more detailed information about the increase in rents from 31 pounds to 80 pounds. There is a good map showing Barr as one of the larger properties on the side of Loch Teacuis which flows into Loch Sundart. There are also several pages of pictures, one that I particularly liked shows the farms separated by "stane dykes". I haven't seen the name Mungostle but there is a property which abuts Barr named Mungasdail. I have a Table showing that 1423 people were evicted from Morvern between 1831 - 1881 which I can send to you as an attachment if you would like to see it. I would recommend purchasing the book if you can as one really needs to study the details. Regards, Mary Vancouver Island, B.C. Canada

I suspect it is a question of international times. We in the antipodes tried and failed, then as Scotland awoke it worked! Mary in Western Australia At 08:59 PM 7/10/2008, Marg Thompson wrote: >I had absolutely no problem with this site. After you submit the >info asked for >an email was sent immediately with a voucher code. > >Take this code to SP and go to More Credits Needed and enter the code >and immediately the credits are applied to your account. > >I was using my credits within 5 minutes. > >Margaret in Ontario

2008/10/8 Duncan & Pam McMillan <mcmillanfamily@clear.net.nz>: > Does anyone know if there exist any church records for the > area of Morven before 1803? try the new Fort William Archive? > > I am lead to believe that there might be 2 books that might > help a bit, at least in giving some context: > Morvern - A Highland parish, by Norman Macleod http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&id=DCokAAAAMAAJ&dq=A+Highland+parish,+by+Norman+Macleod&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=WCouRNec8a&sig=yuRtm-ubvPfoQgIr54v7h6n5UIU&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result http://tinyurl.com/4s6c8b and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Morvern-Highland-Parish-Norman-MacLeod -- its not expensive and you would learn so much about the life of the area. and > Morvern Transformed - A Highland Parish in the 19th century > by Phillip Gaskell. There is a limited preview of this in google books Ebay is also a great way to find old books - you can set up a search which will email you if it comes iup regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

Hi, many thanks for the additional guidance in terms of location. Regarding the 1851 census in Tobermory, I am not sure what the reason is that there is no online image on scotlandspeople. You can still order a record through scotlandspeople and the Mullgenealogy site has a partial transcription - I haven't checked on the ancestry transcription yet. Best Wishes Duncan Duncan & Pam McMillan

I WONDER IF ANYONE CAN HELP ihave 1891 cencus at kifinan which gives a pub calledotter inn ,on 1901 i have corra inn ,does anyone know if these are the same pub? also is the pub still standing today and whats it called many thanks keith _________________________________________________________________ Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/

Hello list Is anyone likely to be visiting Tobermory cemetery in the foreseeable future, please? The cemetery in this case if that described in 1893 as the "new" cemetery. I would love to know if there is any memorial stone for Harold Llewelyn KURTZ 1866-1893. He died at the Mishnish Royal Hotel on 5th April and his will/testament requested burial in the new cemetery. A photo and/or transcription of the stone would be super. In hope, Jacqui

I had absolutely no problem with this site. After you submit the info asked for an email was sent immediately with a voucher code. Take this code to SP and go to More Credits Needed and enter the code and immediately the credits are applied to your account. I was using my credits within 5 minutes. Margaret in Ontario

Hi Jill, many thanks for your reply. I am trying to check the accuracy of a newspaper cutting I have inherited which I was told related to my ancestors. See below for a transcription of the cutting: [TO THE EDITOR OF THE ……. Edinburgh, 26 November 1908 SIR, -- I, along with other friends, read with much surprise the paragraph in your issue of the 21st inst., under the heading “A Memorial Iona Cross,” the cross being the one erected in Keil Churchyard, Morven, in memory of the Campbells of Barr. The writer of that paragraph must have been unaware of the history of that family to have made the statements regarding them which he has done, and which, in justice to that family, must be corrected. “These Campbells,” except by residence, were never “a Morven family,” nor were they ever in the “position of crofters.” Duncan Campbell of Barr (great grand-father of the late Misses Campbell, Jura Cottage, Tobermory) was a younger son of Duncan Campbell of Sonachan, and resided at Glen Barr, Craignish, his wife being Ann Campbell, daughter of Colin Campbell of Achnaba. Mrs Campbell was well known as the writer of Gaelic poems and hymns (one of the latter is still known, “Laoidh Bean a’ Bharra” – i.e. , The Lady of Barr’s Hymn). Mrs Campbell’s brother, the Rev. Colin Campbell, was parish minister of Ardchattan, and was celebrated as an astronomer, being a friend and correspondent of Sir Isaac Newton. Mrs Ann Campbell’s husband, Duncan Campbell, Glenbarr, was the second son of Donald Campbell of Sonachan, the elder son, Robert, being father of the late Mr Robert Campbell, Sonachan, the last of his ????? who some twenty years ago made Lord Archibald Campbell his heir. The younger , Duncan Campbell (grand-father of the Misses Campbell) went on his marriage to the farm of Mungostle, Morven, when he changed the name of the farm to Barr, in memory of his childhood’s home. His wife, whom he married on the 3rd of January, 1775, was Mary, eldest daughter of Duncan Campbell, thirteenth laird of Glenfeochan. Their children were all born at Barr, Morven. There were five sons and five daughters, viz.:- 1 John, lieutenant in the 84th Regiment died at the Cape of Good Hope, 2 Donald, General, R.M. , died at Southsea, 18?7 |note possibly 1857 although if his age was correct then he was born out of marriage if the marriage date is correct| , aged 84 years, 3 and 4 (twins). Capt. James, R.M., married Flora Campbell, Morven. Duncan, Captain, R.M., died in Glasgow 5 Alexander, Captain, 91st Regiment, died at Tobermory. Margaret married Mr Morrison, Annabella, Ann, Catherine, and Colina, were all unmarried. The much respected ladies of Jura Cottage, Tobermory, have been laid to rest in the Keil Churchyard, beside their grand parents, their parents, and other members of their family. Their father, Captain James, and his brave soldier brothers, and after them the Misses Campbell, his daughters owned a pedigree that could stand alongside of any of the old Argyllshire families – their grandfather a Sonachan, their grandmother a Glenfeochan, sister of Colonel James Campbell, the fourteenth laird, who sold the estate of Glenfeochan in 1801, after it had been (by inheritance) in possession of the family for nearly five centuries. Enough has been said to show that the status of the Campbells of Barr, Morven, was very far from being such as your correspondent made it out to be. – I am, etc., T.J.C.M ---------- There is an entry in the Argyll Archives which relates to the Campbells of Barr: From: Brian Maye < bmaye@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: Campbell in Barr Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:54:07 +0100 To Doris in Ontario This does not seem to directly link to your query on John Campbell, but the mention of Barr rang a bell and I send you this transcript of a headstone in Lochline Cemetery that I jotted down in Sept 2000. They may be connected. I am seeking a Peggy Campbell who married a Dugald McLachlan and whose eldest dau was born 1826 when they were living around Lochaline. Anne Maye Celtic cross Pediment .. Campbells, Barr In memory of James Campbell, Lieutenant Royal Marines died at Tobermory 1852 Flora Campbell his wife died at Tobermory 1886 Their son Duncan Campbell died in Australia 1903 their daughters Mary Campbell died at Tobermory 1906 Jessie Campbell died at Glenards 1907. ----------- Following from that I have searched the Mull genealogy site for census information for Flora and Jessie and found entries for James and his family which gave ages for Lt James (50), Flora (45), Duncan (13), Mary (12) and Jessie (8) in 1841, and James (65), Flora (54), Mary (19), Jessie (18) in 1851. I have checked the 1841 census entry in Scotlandspeople and also found that the 1851 entry isn't available on line. The 1891 census from Scotlandspeople also shows Mary and Jessie at Jura Cottage, Tobermory which seems to tie in with the cutting. If anyone has other information relating to James, his family, and his brothers and sisters or connections to further up in the tree that would be really useful. It would eb useful if there was further information about the cemetery at Lochaline. I am not sure that the cutting is completely accurate, and therefore need to test each level as I go. Best Wishes Duncan Duncan & Pam McMillan

Am I the only one who couldn't access this site? (Always partial to a little balderdash!) Dorothy New Zealand Tourist board website which is offering 10 Scotlands people credits in exchange with information about a journey you might want to make to Scotland. Seems like a way to get complete balderdash for their survey results but hey-ho. enjoy ! --

I had no problem getting on to this site and getting and what is more important using the credits. I was thrilled to find my ancestor Colin MCFARLANE'S marriage in Glasgow but I am yet to find his birth in ?Woodside,Aberdeen.(about 1790) Chris Culling ----- Original Message ----- From: "D E Gaunt" <gauntd@paradise.net.nz> To: "'Jill'" <farm@kintaline.co.uk>; "'Argyll Rootsweb'" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SP credits from Ancestral SCotland Am I the only one who couldn't access this site? (Always partial to a little balderdash!) Dorothy New Zealand Tourist board website which is offering 10 Scotlands people credits in exchange with information about a journey you might want to make to Scotland. Seems like a way to get complete balderdash for their survey results but hey-ho. enjoy ! -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1709 - Release Date: 10/5/2008 9:20 AM

Hi Brian, I don't have anything on James McPhail other than his sister Margaret McPhail married Finlay McGilp. The McGilp name is is my McLeish family. If Finlay McGilp is the son of Dugald (all) McGilp and Agnes (Ann) Campbell he is one of mine. Best wishes, Elinor.

Duncan & Pam McMillan wrote: > Hi Jill, many thanks for your reply. I am trying to check > the accuracy of a newspaper cutting I have inherited which I > was told related to my ancestors. See below for a > transcription of the cutting: <snippage for brevity -- but very interesting, spotted the Ardchattan connection ;) > >I have checked the 1841 census entry in > Scotlandspeople and also found that the 1851 entry isn't > available on line. Is that just the entry for that place -- is there a missing parish? I have added the Craignish mentioned to the map so you can see some more of the geography. Glen Barr will not be the more obvious Glenbarr which is much much further south. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116030731731140994898.0004587d1f5d15b75a737&ll=56.211287,-5.541916&spn=1.072298,2.471924&z=9 I hope you find some help, and if I come across anything in the Ardchattan archives ever I will let you know. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

I had a problem with it but I thought that was because the announcement had just been made. I still think it might be flooded with applications. It's not just a simple pledge to visit Scotland, they want a bit more than that to give the credits. ;-) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "D E Gaunt" <gauntd@paradise.net.nz> : Am I the only one who couldn't access this site? (Always partial to a little : balderdash!) : : Dorothy : New Zealand : : Tourist board website which is offering 10 Scotlands people credits in : exchange with information about a journey you might want to make to : Scotland. : : Seems like a way to get complete balderdash for their survey results but : hey-ho. : : enjoy ! : : : -- : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message