G'day Les, Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my query. Unfortunately I don't have access to the LDS Campbeltown Parish Records microfilm any more so can't check that specific period again for my Robert. When I did have access to that film, I went back and forward over that particular period looking for him but couldn't see anything that even vaguely resembled his baptism, but as you say, there may have been a page or pages missing. And I just checked the "transcriptions" on Ancestry for John Carmichael and found one in 1851 there, born about 1806 in Glasgow who has been transcribed as a "Che Of The Minisley Of The Par Of Campbell" which sounds as though he was a minister. I should have checked that first before asking the list sorry - sometimes I get so involved I forget even the basics! I have sent a copy of that certificate directly to Les for his insight. Thank you very much for your assistance with this Les. Best regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Les Horn Sent: Friday, 14 November 2008 7:04 AM To: Argyll Rootsweb Subject: [ARGYLL] Fw: Robert WHITEFORD Paul asked > 1. If his birth/baptism was registered by the Session Clerk, why > wasn't it in the Parish Register? Could it be that there was a page missing or an obliterated entry. He'd need to look at the period 13 Aug 1851 to 25 Aug 1851 > 2. Was John Carmichael a minister of one of the Campbeltown churches > in 1851? As he has access to the LDS records a look at the 1851 Campbeltown Census would confirm whether there was a Rev John Carmichael at the time. If he has a copy of the 'baptism certificate' could he please e-mail it to me. Regards Les

Paul asked > 1. If his birth/baptism was registered by the Session Clerk, why wasn't it > in the Parish Register? Could it be that there was a page missing or an obliterated entry. He'd need to look at the period 13 Aug 1851 to 25 Aug 1851 > 2. Was John Carmichael a minister of one of the Campbeltown churches in > 1851? As he has access to the LDS records a look at the 1851 Campbeltown Census would confirm whether there was a Rev John Carmichael at the time. If he has a copy of the 'baptism certificate' could he please e-mail it to me. Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

Hi everyone, I was hoping someone may be able to clear up a bit of a mystery for me. A while back, I got the microfilm of the Campbeltown Parish registers from my local LDS Centre and was able to find the baptisms of all of the children of James WHITEFORD and Mary MANN, except my GGrandfather Robert WHITEFORD. There were 8 children baptised before his birth and 1 after. Then today an uncle of mine gave me a copy of what looks like a baptism certificate for Robert which says he was born 13 Aug 1851 and baptised 25 Aug 1851. It says that it was registered at Campbeltown in Aug 1851 by the Session Clerk whose signature I can't read. Next to the baptism date there appears to be the name "John CARMICHAEL" followed by something that looks like an abbreviated form of "Minister". My questions are :- 1. If his birth/baptism was registered by the Session Clerk, why wasn't it in the Parish Register? 2. Was John Carmichael a minister of one of the Campbeltown churches in 1851? Any advice would be appreciated. Paul in NQ Australia

Looking for any information on John McCallum & Esther Frazer's family. John & Esther were married on the 2 Jan.1802 in Campbeltown Argyll.

Bill, I think that place name is more likely a mistranscription of "Underlaw", which can be found in the SE part of Loudoun Parish on http://www.nls.uk/maps/atlas/thomson/547.html The upper righthand section map, the southeastern part outlined in yellow is Loudoun Parish. -- Jo-Ann Croft

This enquiry possibly relates to Ayrshire, I think, but as I don't belong to that list I hope the wise heads here may be able to assist. On 6 Dec 1835, Christian DOWNIE married John RANKIN (OPR records for Lismore Appin and Duror) at Ballachulish or Duror. They are in the 1841 Census where John is listed as a quarryman. They emigrated for NSW, arriving January 1844 on the ship "Herald". With them was their daughter (both mother and daughter now named Christina) along with John's brother Neil Rankin, his wife Mary McTaggart and their children. When Christina Rankin made her will in 1861, having been widowed earlier, she named her daughter as a beneficiary and executor but also names her sister, KATHERINE DOWNEY. This is where my query arises. Her sister is described as of ANDREWLAN, LOUDON, Scotland. Can anyone help to place this for me please? Best regards Bill.

Hi Duncan the only suggestion I can make is looking in the Kirk Session minutes, they may have been filmed by the LDS. Have a look NAS www.nas.gov.uk site to see if there are any there. You might have to take a trip to Scotland to read them tho' ! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Pam McMillan" <mcmillanfamily@clear.net.nz> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Morvern/Morven > Hi, many thanks for your great information and ideas > regarding my search for infomration about the Campbells of > Barr/Baar. I have just finished reading Morvern -a Highland > parish, and have looked at the Appendices and preliminary > pages of Morvern Transformed. They are a good read and also > provide me with some infomration about the Campbells of > Barr. > > Can someone please advise me on the approach that is most > likely to be successful in providing infomration about > births/baptisms, deaths/burials and marriages between 1774 > and 1803 in the Morvern area. > > Is the Oban Times likely to be of use? Are there other > records that might be of use? I have seen the appendices of > the 2 books which include transcriptions from the 1779 > census,1841 census, list of Officers from Mull and Morvern; > 18th and 19th century Morvern property information and maps. > > Best Wishes > Duncan > > Duncan & Pam McMillan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, many thanks for your great information and ideas regarding my search for infomration about the Campbells of Barr/Baar. I have just finished reading Morvern -a Highland parish, and have looked at the Appendices and preliminary pages of Morvern Transformed. They are a good read and also provide me with some infomration about the Campbells of Barr. Can someone please advise me on the approach that is most likely to be successful in providing infomration about births/baptisms, deaths/burials and marriages between 1774 and 1803 in the Morvern area. Is the Oban Times likely to be of use? Are there other records that might be of use? I have seen the appendices of the 2 books which include transcriptions from the 1779 census,1841 census, list of Officers from Mull and Morvern; 18th and 19th century Morvern property information and maps. Best Wishes Duncan Duncan & Pam McMillan

Thanks Katie, Thanks for your reply. I have a lot of certificates and records on SP, many of which I have printed out but sometimes - in fact quite often I go back to a page of entries that didn't seem to be mine when I looked originally but now prove to be connected. I'm not really bothered by those few that appear before the alphabetical list but am puzzled by them. One day I'll ask SP. Best wishes, Mary At 06:15 PM 3/11/2008, Katie de Haan wrote: >I'm not entirely sure which number you mean in your question on >statutory numbers. All my SP certs have a number of sorts, be it a >census number, OPR or statutory record number, those last applying >only, of course, to BDM records post-1855 when statutory >registration began. Maybe you're referring to something else? > >As for the timeline, I must admit the first time I clicked on that I >was half-expecting some amazing horizontal multimedia happening, >whereas what it seems to do is list the certs I've viewed in >chronological order. As a finding aid, this could be very handy, if >I bothered to use it but for some reason I only ever put about ten >in, of the literally hundreds of records I've found.

Hello, Timeline: The reason I asked is that by mistake I sent one of mine to Timeline in error. Against the item is the word "View" and "Add to Timeline" is greyed out, but, there's no name under the description, which I think is cumbersome. If you download the list of "Viewed images" those added to Timeline are downloaded in that way, i.e. a blank description. This means that one would have to list them in our own records, rather than having to either view the docs at SP or view one's own certificate. Just wondered why it was done that way; am I missing something? As to certificates without a Statutury Record identity - Was there a time, or should I say "era" when no Statutory register number was included. I am looking at one now as I type and its dated 1897, a birth. I have one in 1856 with a Statutory Birth No. One in 1905 without and another in 1900 with. There doesnt seem to be any consistency. I've not made a note as to how I got them, it might be that a cousin has got them from a local registry office, but that doesnt make sense either because they still need to be found somehow. I've been using the Statutory reference as a source in my GEDCOM so its inconvenient not to have that reference. Puzzling. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <em.paton86@iinet.net.au>: : : Hello Janet, : I'd like to know this also - if you get offlist replies please can : you pass them on? I have been puzzled because if I want to look at a : certain person again I click on Names and get them in alphabetical : order then find the appropriate name pages. But before the listing : starts at Blue (I have no 'A's in my tree!) and continues : alphabetically it always puts a few names which appear to be at : random before the Blue pages. : Does anyone know why? : Thanks, : Mary : :: At 11:22 PM 2/11/2008, Janet wrote: : >Hello Argyll!! Two questions about Scotland's People. : >Can any one tell me why some certificates have a Statutory number : >and some do not? : >What is the Timeline feature used for and if I use it will I be able : >to see the certificates again, and how? : >Janet

Hello ladies and list, My experience with Scotland's People suggests they'd be happy to give you a full explanation if you mail them with your questions. Meantime, though I can't answer them myself, I do have a couple of comments. I'm not entirely sure which number you mean in your question on statutory numbers. All my SP certs have a number of sorts, be it a census number, OPR or statutory record number, those last applying only, of course, to BDM records post-1855 when statutory registration began. Maybe you're referring to something else? As for the timeline, I must admit the first time I clicked on that I was half-expecting some amazing horizontal multimedia happening, whereas what it seems to do is list the certs I've viewed in chronological order. As a finding aid, this could be very handy, if I bothered to use it but for some reason I only ever put about ten in, of the literally hundreds of records I've found. Maybe I should sit down one rainy afternoon and click 'em all into the timeline... but then again, maybe not. Certainly, if the records are in your timeline you can view them again, as you can from your list of records viewed. However, what I find most useful and surely one of the most valuable reasons for using SP, is that I can download the documents I view and keep them in my own system! If I so choose, I can print them out on whatever paper I like and, at 1 pound sterling a time, this is infinitely cheaper than the 7 pounds it still costs to send for my English records and the 10 pounds that Scottish OPRs used to cost before SP put them online a year or two ago. Not to mention the time it saves. An absolute godsend for those of us who live too far away to visit the archives and trawl them ourselves. I hope this makes sense and answers at least some part of your questions. Look forward to hearing anything more you might discover, on or off the list. Katie de Haan The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> To: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SP: Certificate numbering & Timeline. > At 11:22 PM 2/11/2008, Janet wrote: >>Hello Argyll!! Two questions about Scotland's People. >>Can any one tell me why some certificates have a Statutory number >>and some do not? >>What is the Timeline feature used for and if I use it will I be able >>to see the certificates again, and how? >>Janet > > > Hello Janet, > I'd like to know this also - if you get offlist replies please can > you pass them on? I have been puzzled because if I want to look at a > certain person again I click on Names and get them in alphabetical > order then find the appropriate name pages. But before the listing > starts at Blue (I have no 'A's in my tree!) and continues > alphabetically it always puts a few names which appear to be at > random before the Blue pages. > Does anyone know why? > Thanks, > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 11:22 PM 2/11/2008, Janet wrote: >Hello Argyll!! Two questions about Scotland's People. >Can any one tell me why some certificates have a Statutory number >and some do not? >What is the Timeline feature used for and if I use it will I be able >to see the certificates again, and how? >Janet Hello Janet, I'd like to know this also - if you get offlist replies please can you pass them on? I have been puzzled because if I want to look at a certain person again I click on Names and get them in alphabetical order then find the appropriate name pages. But before the listing starts at Blue (I have no 'A's in my tree!) and continues alphabetically it always puts a few names which appear to be at random before the Blue pages. Does anyone know why? Thanks, Mary

Hello Argyll!! Two questions about Scotland's People. Can any one tell me why some certificates have a Statutory number and some do not? What is the Timeline feature used for and if I use it will I be able to see the certificates again, and how? Janet

My understanding Sheila is that it means "late" or "former". ie the late Joe Bloggs Paul in Nth Qld, Australia -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Lafleur Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 4:10 AM To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARGYLL] VMQUHILL or UMQUHILL Hi list I am trying hard to read some old documents and keep coming around the word VMQUHILL a few times it is written as UMQUHILL . Does anyone on list know what this word means? Thanks Sheila Stewart-Lafleur

Sheila asked : > I am trying hard to read some old documents and keep coming around the > word VMQUHILL a few times it is written as UMQUHILL Doe s anyone on > list know what this word means? UMQUHILL / UNQUHILE Scots form of the OLd English UMWHILE - formerly, (the) late, previously. also WHILOM - formerly, once, WHILE-ERE - previously, formerly Regards Les

Thanks everyone for your help So when I am reading a sentence saying Vmquhill John Stewart..... The Late John Stewart Thanks kindly. Sheila

Hi list I am trying hard to read some old documents and keep coming around the word VMQUHILL a few times it is written as UMQUHILL . Does anyone on list know what this word means? Thanks Sheila Stewart-Lafleur

I've just gone to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis (note that I've removed the colon from the end of the link) and it is now working again. Hooray! What would I do without this brilliant resource! Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Isle of Mull Rootsweb" <SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com>; "Argyll Rootsweb" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] IGI batch numbers > Here is a message from Hugh Wallis about his IGI Batch number pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis: > Site not available at present. Let’s hope it is operating again soon. > > > "It appears some people have reported getting virus warnings from the site > > but, unless it is in the stuff ancestry.com adds, there is no virus there, > > and certainly not one inserted by me. I suspect ancestry.com have taken > > it > > offline. I also suspect that the anti-virus software that is giving these > > warnings is over zealous and has applied a heuristic detection algorithm > > to > > produce the warnings - and those algorithms are well known for producing > > occasional "false positives". Most reputable anti-virus software like AVG > > and Norton report the site as clean (or did until it was taken down by > > ancestry.com) > > > > Unfortunately I have no control over it since ancestry.com do not even > > provide a means for me to change the password that is necessary to update > > the site. If some evil hacker has obtained that password somehow I can do > > nothing about it. > > > > Actually I have not even accessed nor updated the site myself for many > > months. > > > > Having no time to investigate further I shall be leaving it in the hands > > of > > ancestry.com - but they have not had the courtesy even to contact me so I > > don't know to what extent they intend to address the issue > > > > Thanks > > > > Hugh” > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 12:00 PM

I have 2 questions. Does anyone know for sure that the spelling of the above names are accepted variables for each and other? As to the registration numbers on Scotland's People's certificates, are they relative only to Scotland's People or registration in public records? I wondered why one might find 2 of the same number, which are identical in christian in forename. I am using them in Citation in my GEDCOM and I was wondering if there is something better. Janet

Val said > I've just gone to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis > (note > that I've removed the colon from the end of the link) and it is now > working > again. Hooray! What would I do without this brilliant resource! It looks like Ancestry.com do act on complaints they receive. Thank goodness we can access Hugh's very usefuil site again. Les