Hello everyone. Can anyone help me with the following please. I have sent this to the Dunbarton list also but I know Blairnaughter fell into the Argyll lands also. I have George McARTHUR born before 29 Dec 1816 of Roseneath son of John McARTHUR and Sarah MCDONALD. George died Turfhill, Cove, Roseneath 03 Jan 1883 He married Elizabeth MCKENDRICK 26 May 1849, Roseneath who is the daughter of James McKENDRICK and Ann SIMPSON George and Elizabeth had 8 children. On the 1841 census George is at Blairnaughter Farm, Roseneath occu: M.S age 20 in fact he was 25. He is living with Donald McArthur born 1795 and his wife Margaret b 1805 and children. Donald's parents are John McARTHUR and Agnes McFARLAN I am trying to find George's family who appear to be quite elusive. I am in mind that John McArthur married 2ndly to Sarah McDonald after Agnes McFarlane died There is no marriage for John and Sarah only 1 child to them. I have hit a brick wall as John and Sarah are not on the 1841 census. No marriage either. Can someone do a look up for a Monumental Inscription or in the death Indexes of Roseneath for John McArthur and Sarah McDonald possibly before 1841 Can anyone help me with this please. Kindest Regards Kristina Cameron (NZ)

Hi, Is there anyone researching Archibald Fullerton/Fullertown and Agnes (Nance) Weir married in 1691 and their family? Their son William (1712) mar. Helen Dow 1780 Glasgow. Their son Archibald 1781 was the publisher in Glasgow and Edinburgh. Two branches of our Fullarton Family say that he was a relative in two totally different stories. Fullarton in South Australia is named after his daughter Jane. I need to fit a Donald who was a tailor and married Mary Grant and had children from 1798 to 1814 in Inverness into one line of this family. Any help appreciated. Regards, Irene. (Melbourne Australia.)

Hello, all :) I have a question: In the early-19th century (1700-1840), what was the youngest age reported of a boy or man fathering a child ? Now, for My puzzle: I have a John GRAHAM, born either in Paisley in 1710, or Eastwood in 1709. (Both places are in Renfrew.) Then, I have another John, reportedly born about 1727. This John is supposedly the father of Archibald GRAHAM, born 1735, who was the father of Effie GRAHAM, born in 1776 (or '75?) in Inveraray, Argyllshire. Here stands the problem: IF my first John was born even in 1709, he would have been... 17 or 18 yo when the second John was born. That's possible. But, the second John GRAHAM (born about 1727) would have been only 7 or 8 when Archibald was born! Archibald would have been 41 yo old when Effie was born in December of 1776, definitely within the age of fatherhood! The date I have for my second John is from the LDS. With my John GRAHAM, the question becomes, am I dealing with one man, of two? Thank you for any help given. Kelly Paul Graham Houston, Texas

Hi Listers Was someone asking about the location of the MacCormack Isles earlier this year? If so, I can assist if they are still seeking an answer. Please advise. Cheers Rod Victoria Australia

Hi All, I just searched under RH21 and it brought up a parish in Glasgow RD21/64/2 so I thought I'd type in RH21/fonds but it came back with 'helpful hint'. Regards, Sandy (Tasmania) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Maclean" <maclean334@btinternet.com> To: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; "Argyll Rootsweb" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Re Catholic Research > It might also be mentioned that the National Archives of Scotland has > photocopies of all pre-1855 Roman Catholic parish registers (apart from a > small number lost through fire or enemy action) and they are to be found > in > the RH21/ fonds. As with the original records these copy registers are > un-indexed. Searching under reference RH21 at > http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ will provide a list of the parishes > with their foundation date. > > Donald Maclean. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy asked > I couldn't locate on SP what the exchange rate currently was, although it > seems in times past it showed the conversion factor. The only mention of EUR or US$ on the SP site re buying Credits is the following : ========================== Old Parish Registers, Statutory Registers and Census It costs 6GBP (approx. 8EUR or 11USD), to search the Old Parish Register, Statutory Register and Census indexes in the database. This gives you 30 'page credits' ========================== > I was thinking the with the current exchange rate being more favorable to > me that it has been the last few months, it might be worthwhile to > purchase some now (or even as a gift for someone else). According to http://www.x-rates.com/ todays exchange rates are US$ 1 = GB£ 0.65 or GB£1 = US$ 1.53. Certainly worth you buying although the Exchange Rate is currently dropping back. As payment is made through WorldPay or ETS the Exchange Rate current when you make the transaction will be used.. Regards Les

2008/11/30 joy <beatsme@netins.net> > Question ~ > > I couldn't locate on SP what the exchange rate currently was, although it > seems in times past it showed the conversion factor. any currency conversion will help you. If you are paying by card they do not control the exchange rate. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

It might also be mentioned that the National Archives of Scotland has photocopies of all pre-1855 Roman Catholic parish registers (apart from a small number lost through fire or enemy action) and they are to be found in the RH21/ fonds. As with the original records these copy registers are un-indexed. Searching under reference RH21 at http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ will provide a list of the parishes with their foundation date. Donald Maclean.

Janet asked Whilst on the subject then, can any reliability be placed on a religion attaching to a clan name nowadays? > It is probably more reliable to look at areas rather than Surnames - for > example Moidart INV in the Aygyll Ardnamurchan Parish (505) was/is a > staunch RC area likewise Brae Lochaber INV in the Inverness-shire > Kilmonivaig Parish (099). However, whilst saying this the MacDONNELs of > Brae Lochaber and Invergarry were/are a Catholic Clan. A number of other > once Catholic Clans became Protestant. The example of the Laird was > usually followed - got to keep in with "the Boss." Also don't be misled > into thinking that if they were Jacobites/followers of Bonny Prince > Charlie, or his father, they were Catholics there were both Protestants > and Catholics, just as there were Lowlanders and Highlanders / English and > Scots, on boths sides. Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

Whilst on the subject then, can any reliability be placed on a religion attaching to a clan name nowadays? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> : BlankHi all : : The perennial question about research into Roman Catholic ancestors has : risen again. The Scottish Catholic Archives, an agency of The Bishop's : Conference of Scotland, has just ( 24th Nov) revamped its web-site However, : as before, it states "The Scottish Catholic Archives holds parish registers : for nearly all Scottish parishes founded before 1855. These registers are : currently un-indexed. Researchers are welcome to visit the Archive and : conduct their own research. Limited searches can be made of the registers : held at Columba House, but requests must be very specific. There is a fee : for searches conducted by staff." : http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/Genealogy/tabid/70/Default.aspx : : Rosemary Meechan's posting to this List in 2005 is worth a look at : http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/sct-argyll/2005-09/1125655122 : as is the following article by her which, hopefully, has reproduced well : here. : : Regards : Les : ========================== : Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n : e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net : ========================== : : "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS :

Question ~ I couldn't locate on SP what the exchange rate currently was, although it seems in times past it showed the conversion factor. I was thinking the with the current exchange rate being more favorable to me that it has been the last few months, it might be worthwhile to purchase some now (or even as a gift for someone else). Just curious what anyone else was doing. Thanks, Joy in Missouri/USA

BlankHi all The perennial question about research into Roman Catholic ancestors has risen again. The Scottish Catholic Archives, an agency of The Bishop's Conference of Scotland, has just ( 24th Nov) revamped its web-site However, as before, it states "The Scottish Catholic Archives holds parish registers for nearly all Scottish parishes founded before 1855. These registers are currently un-indexed. Researchers are welcome to visit the Archive and conduct their own research. Limited searches can be made of the registers held at Columba House, but requests must be very specific. There is a fee for searches conducted by staff." http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/Genealogy/tabid/70/Default.aspx Rosemary Meechan's posting to this List in 2005 is worth a look at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/sct-argyll/2005-09/1125655122 as is the following article by her which, hopefully, has reproduced well here. Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ========================== "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS Only the Church of Scotland was bound by LAW to keep records but most denominations did keep records - of sorts. The difficulty comes in tracking them down and finding out whether your particular ancestors were baptised, married or buried by clerics who could be bothered to keep even half-decent records. In the case of Catholics in the nineteenth century, marriage was particularly important because both parties had to be (a) baptised as a Christian (denomination wasn't important) and (b) Catholic. If one party didn't happen to be Catholic, a different kind of ceremony was carried out. This went on into the 1960s when common sense and good manners started to prevail. Therefore, Catholic priest must have had to make enquiries about the baptismal status, place of baptism and religious denomination of the couple about to be married. It would have been good for us if they had all bothered to write it down... I have one 19th century family record from Stirlingshire in which the occupation of the groom's father is given as "Prodestant" (yes, whoever wrote it down was a non-spelling bigot....) Matters are confused slightly by the fact that the Roman Catholic Church - until well into the second half of the nineteenth century - encouraged Catholics to marry in the Church of Scotland in the absence of a Catholic priest. These marriages were perfectly "legal" in the eyes of the Catholic Church and were NOT required to be re-done when and if a priest became available. This is probably because the available Catholic clergy in the first half of the nineteenth century were hard-headed and hard-pressed Scots who respected the Church of Scotland. It is only when Irish priests started coming into Scotland in the latter part of the nineteenth century that things started to get more complicated. If you study the 18th century records of Catholics in the Braes of Scalan (and particularly the young Catholic seminary which grew and flourished there) you will see that they relied on the goodwill and protection of their Protestant neighbours to warn them of attacks by government forces. They are very specific about the debt they owe to their neighbours. So, what can we learn from this? (1) Your Catholic or non-conformist ancestors may well have been married in the Church of Scotland - so search the pre-1855 records diligently. (2) Other denominations DID keep records before 1855. Google very carefully for them. Here are some Catholic examples which my researcher found for me: "Linlithgow Mission Register of Baptisms and Marriages October 30th 1854 Anthony Christy and Catherine O' Brian both of Linlithgow after due proclamation of Banns were married by me at Linlithgow on the 30th day of October one thousand eight hundred and fifty four years. Witnesses Patrick Heslin and Mary Moran Andrew Dempsey - Clergyman The only Christy baptisms I could find were: Hannah lawful (daughter) of Miles Christy and Mary Hagans born 3rd June 1855 at Bathgate and baptised June 10th. Sponsors Francis McShane and Anne Haggans Clergyman Andrew Dempsey James lawful (son) of Anthony Christy and Catherine O'Brian born 20th July 1855 at Linlithgow and baptised 24th July 1855. Sponsors James Rourke and Anne O'Brian Clergyman Andrew Dempsey No others I'm afraid" "Glasgow, St Andrew Marriages I could not find anything to do with James Meechan and Jane McCormick in these records. Unfortunately they are not indexed and so it took a long time to go through all of the records. I did make a note of any Meechan, or other spellings, marriages as I went through, just in case they might be family members, but did not write the full entry 18 June 1836 Peter Michan born in Parish of St John, Co Sligo and Mary McCann born in the parish of Baladie, Co Sligo" 18 November 1836 Jas Mighan born in Co Sligo, Parish of Ballisdon, Ireland and Maria Ward born in the same county Parish of St John, both now residing in Barony Parish of Glasgow 1837 - 1839 None 21 February 1840 John Meighan born in Co Sligo and Cath Freil from same county 23 November 1841 John Michan of Co Antrim and Jean Flahaty of Glasgow ********************************************************************** You can see that if you happened to be descended from any of these people you would sometimes have both an Irish county and parish of birth. Unfortunately, searching these records is both tedious and time-consuming....but they DO exist! RosemaryMeechan Rosemarymee@yahoo.co.uk 28 Aug 2005"

Hey Sarah and LIst, Thanks to Sarah's McEown message on the 1792 I have found my other ggg-aunt from Gigha's marriage! This is really exciting as I had concluded they were never married. ANDREW MCEOWN Spouse: MAYZIE MCNEILL Marriage: 05 APR 1824 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland M119555 1820 - 1854 1041005 Film 6900069 Film Her name was Sarah McNeill (or Mirron or Marion or Mirren or Mayzie it seems). So now I have also found a birth and Christening for her daughter. This is brilliant. JANET MCEOWN Birth: 31 DEC 1824 Christening: 05 JAN 1825 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland Father: ANDW. MCEOWN Family Mother: MARION MCNEILL C119554 1820 - 1839 1041005 Film 6900996 Film Thank you Sarah!! Cheers, Mary

Mary, I'm not sure I have the precise information but back in March of this year Microsoft gave out a notification that when using Outlook Express, Hotmail users would no longer be supported. The fix for it was in using Windows Live Mail instead. Otherwise, I have seen it complained about in Yahoogroups, but I don't know the answer to it here. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:31 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Format problem Hello List, Can anyone advise me as to why some messages reach me looking like this? It seems to happen with about one in twenty messages - sometimes a lot harder to decipher than this one. is there any way I can unravel it? Thanks, Mary >Hi all, Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In the Kilmartin >graveyard are 3 stones - two next to each other >and the third is set back between them so that >they form a sort of triangle. One of them is of

Marcia Not a full answer, I am afraid, but a snippet or two that should tie in with what you already know. Strathchur could indeed very likely be Strachur, as I understand one explanation for the origin name was Strath-churr/chorr, i.e. valley of the heron. I know, too, that my own Strachur/Strathlachlan families had various connections with the Kilmartin and Glassary areas to the west of Loch Fyne over the years. The only Neil Campbell & Mary MacKellar combinations I saw were these births and the one marriage: Glassary: 1768 Mary (the elder Neil's sister or cousin?) Then marriage proclamation: Glassary: 30 January 1783 Neil CAMPBELL Craiginbrribh Kilmartin Parish and Mary MacKELLAR Upper Shervane. All children christened Glassary: 1783 Donald CAMPBELL 1786 Janet CAMPBELL 1790 Mary CAMPBELL 1801 Malcom CAMPBELL 1803 George CAMPBELL born over Shervane Glassary I'd hoped to find some connection with Strachur mentioned, but no luck. Maybe the family migrated there later on. I didn't see any CAMPBELLs descendants living in Strachur/Strathlachlan in 1851 whose birthplace was recorded as Glassary or Kilmartin. On the 1841 census, of course, no distinction would be made between different places within Argyll. Sorry not to have been more help, Katie de Haan The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: <marcias2@comcast.net> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:29 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Kilmartin churchyard gravestone Hi all, In the Kilmartin graveyard are 3 stones - two next to each other and the third is set back between them so that they form a sort of triangle. One of them is of my gr-gr-gr-grandparents who were Neil Campbell Dunchragaig and Mary MacKellar his spouse. (He died about 1827). Another one reads 'Neil Campbel of the family of Strathchur & Mary MacKellar his spouse 1788'. (the 3rd one between them is of George Campbell, Donald's brother). I have to think that this older Neil could be their father. > Does anyone know about this older Neil? Is Strathchur the same as Strachur? And where would it be? I do know of a Strachur on the South side of Loch Fyne. Any information about this would be appreciated as I am up against a wall. Thanks so much - I think this Argyll list has been a great help to all of us! Marcia Streetman

Hello List, Can anyone advise me as to why some messages reach me looking like this? It seems to happen with about one in twenty messages - sometimes a lot harder to decipher than this one. is there any way I can unravel it? Thanks, Mary >Hi all,            In the Kilmartin >graveyard are 3 stones - two next to each other >and the third is set back between them so that >they form a sort of triangle. One of them is of >my gr-gr-gr-grandparents who were Neil Campbell >Dunchragaig and Mary MacKellar his spouse. (He >died about 1827).  Another one reads 'Neil >Campbel of the family of Strathchur & Mary >MacKellar his spouse 1788'. (the 3rd one between >them is of George Campbell, Donald's brother). I >have to think that this older Neil could be >their father.             Does >anyone know about this older Neil? Is Strathchur >the same as Strachur? And where would it be? I >do know of a Strachur on the South side of Loch >Fyne.             Any information >about this would be appreciated as I am up >against a wall.                 >           Thanks so much - I think >this Argyll list has been a great help to all of >us!                       >                       Â

Hi all,             In the Kilmartin graveyard are 3 stones - two next to each other and the third is set back between them so that they form a sort of triangle. One of them is of my gr-gr-gr-grandparents who were Neil Campbell Dunchragaig and Mary MacKellar his spouse. (He died about 1827).  Another one reads 'Neil Campbel of the family of Strathchur & Mary MacKellar his spouse 1788'. (the 3rd one between them is of George Campbell, Donald's brother). I have to think that this older Neil could be their father.              Does anyone know about this older Neil? Is Strathchur the same as Strachur? And where would it be? I do know of a Strachur on the South side of Loch Fyne.              Any information about this would be appreciated as I am up against a wall.                             Thanks so much - I think this Argyll list has been a great help to all of us!                                                Marcia Streetman

Thank you very much for that Jo-Ann. The translation of the Occupation is a beauty isn't it? He certainly seems to be the correct one and helps to confirm that the baptism did take place in Campbeltown. Having already looked very carefully at the original parish registers on microfilm at the LDS FHC and not finding him, I think I will just have to accept that he was omitted from the register for some reason. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jecroft@att.net Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 11:52 PM To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Robert WHITEFORD Paul, Can't help with the absence of the record, unless it was written in later out of order. You might want to check the index for the parish and look for a mis-spelled surname of child or mother. Here is a John CARMICHAEL in Campbeltown who has something to do with the Parish Church. Ancestry's transcription of occupation is a best guess. Getting the original image from LDS or scotlandspeople would probably tell you whether he was the minister or a clerk. 1851 Scotland Census about John Carmichael Name: John Carmichael Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Parish Number: 507 Civil Parish: Campbeltown Town: Campbeltown County: Argyll Address: Main Street Occupation: Che Of The Minisley Of The Par Of Campbell ED: 10 Page: 25 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 120 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1851_108 Household Members: Name Age John Carmichael 45 Mary Carmichael 46 Margt McNeil 24 Janet Steel 40 -- Jo-Ann Croft

Paul, Can't help with the absence of the record, unless it was written in later out of order. You might want to check the index for the parish and look for a mis-spelled surname of child or mother. Here is a John CARMICHAEL in Campbeltown who has something to do with the Parish Church. Ancestry's transcription of occupation is a best guess. Getting the original image from LDS or scotlandspeople would probably tell you whether he was the minister or a clerk. 1851 Scotland Census about John Carmichael Name: John Carmichael Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Parish Number: 507 Civil Parish: Campbeltown Town: Campbeltown County: Argyll Address: Main Street Occupation: Che Of The Minisley Of The Par Of Campbell ED: 10 Page: 25 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 120 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1851_108 Household Members: Name Age John Carmichael 45 Mary Carmichael 46 Margt McNeil 24 Janet Steel 40 -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hi --   I've been trying to hunt down my 4g grandmother, Agness McPherson.  Agness married John King in Dalry, Ayrshire in 1786.  They moved to Beith and had eight or possibly nine children:  Janet, Hugh, Alexander, John, Ann, James, Robert and one or possibly two sons named Robert.  According to a little notebook kept by her son Robert, she was born 8 Dec 1763 and died 22 May 1833 (no places given for either date).    In the OPRs (Old Parochial Registers) I've found an Agness McPherson christened on Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll on 1764 (no exact date given).  Parents were listed as Hugh McPherson and Ilspy McNeilage, who were married 19 Jul 1754.  No further children are listed for this couple.   So my questions are these:   1.  Is Dunoon and Kilmun close enough to Dalry and Beith to make this a viable match?   2.  Is anyone else researching this family or anyone connected with it (would be happy to share information)?   3.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I can go next with this?   Any help would really be appreciated. Judy Bingham In Southern California where the wildfires are raging