2008/12/30 Jean C. MacLeod <jeanc15@tiscali.co.uk> > Dear List > > Query regarding Balimore, Kilmichael. > > Thanks once again, Les, for answering my query. > > The maps you have access to are a wonderful resource and very helpful in > family history research. have you looked at the www.nls.uk website for the old maps there? > > > I do not have access to the Glassary census for 1841. but we all have access to the 1841 for free www.freecen.org.uk and we all have access to the rest through Scotlandspeople.gov.uk<http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/>- obviously its our choice as to what we spend on our hobby. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the communityal Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

Dear List Query regarding Balimore, Kilmichael. Thanks once again, Les, for answering my query. The maps you have access to are a wonderful resource and very helpful in family history research. I am aware of Allan Begg's books. Allan does not mention Balimore, Kilmichael, in his 'Deserted Settlements of Glassary Parish' which suggests that Balimore was not a compact village. The lands belonging to the farm of Balimore would have had a scattering of dwellings. Balimore, Kilmichael, is still a working farm today and the farmer owns lands which stretch as far as Kilmichael Church. The List of Fencible Men, 1692, gives 8 names at 'Ballimoir Kilmichell', (4 of these are called Stinson/Stevenson) and 12 men are listed at 'Kilmichell'. I do not have access to the Glassary census for 1841. It only remains for me to say - Bliadhna Mhath Ur dhuibh uile Jean MacLeod

Query regarding Balimore, Kilmichael. Thanks for your reply, Les. Placenames with 'baile' are common in Argyll. The sense of the word has varied a lot over time but originally it meant a farm settlement, like the Scots 'ferm-toun'. I am not in any way puzzled by interpretations of 'baile' but I am puzzled by the reference to Balimore as being a sizeable place of over 30 crofts/holdings in the mid 1800s and wonder where you got that information. Le meas Jean

Dear List There was a query the other day regarding the location of Balimore, Kilmichael. In his answer, Les gave further information which I've quoted below - "Ballimore was as its name suggests - the town - the main settlement of Kilmichael in Kilmichael Glassary Parish and is where the Parish Church is to be found. At one time it consisted, in the mid 1800s, of some 30 odd crofts/holdings". I'm puzzled about this description of Balimore and would be very interested to know where Les got his information. Le meas Jean MacLeod

Hi Jo-Ann, Thank you so much. I can access the images for 1851 so I will check that entry to see if they are children or grand children. If children Mary did well at 53 to have Flora. Regards, Irene. At 23:06 28/12/2008, jecroft@att.net wrote: >According to the info in the 1871 census, this is Alexander McPHEE >in 1841 census - same farm both times. > >Piece: SCT1841/520 Place: Kilmallie -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 1 >Civil Parish: Kilmallie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - >Folio: 0 Page: 19 >Address: Camaghail > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where > Born Remarks > MCPHEE John M 60 Agricultural Labourer Outside > Census County (1841) > MCPHEE Mary F 55 Outside Census County (1841) > MCPHEE Cath. F 30 Inverness-shire(Originally: > Argyllshire) > MCPHEE Cath. F 13 Inverness-shire(Originally: > Argyllshire) > MCPHEE Alexr. M 10 Inverness-shire(Originally: > Argyllshire) age unclear - could be 16 > MCPHEE Flora F 2 Inverness-shire(Originally: > Argyllshire) age enumerated as 2 and a half > CAMERON Cath. F 72 Outside Census County (1841) snip

Hi All, Do not know if the McPee below are related to your one, but i will list them any way: John McPhie c1820 married Elizabeth Campbell son Alexander McPhie born c1851 Paisley married to Flora Crawford from Glassary, Argyll their children where Catherine Ferguson McPhee Eliza Campbell McPhee John McPhee Flora McPhee Regards Colin

Jo-ann said > According to the info in the 1871 census, this is Alexander McPHEE in 1841 > census - same farm both times. Camaghael, or Cam Dhail, was not a farm it was a series of crofts bordering the River Lochy off the "Road to the Isles" which runs from Lochy Bridge to Mallaig. As well as Lochaber High School, and a Caravan Site, most of these have now been built on as private housing. There is an Alexander and Margaret McPHEE and family at Camaghael in the 1881 Census. This family matches Irene's : >Looking for Alexander McPhee born circa 1831 par. supposed to be John >McPhee and Mary McMillan. Mar 1860 (have marriage) Margaret Cameron born >Isle of Skye to Duncan Cameron sailor (nothing known) and Effy McInnes (my >interest). Children Ann 1861, Mary 1864 died 1864, Mary 1866, Duncan 1868, >Margaret 1870, Catherine 1873 and Dugal about 1876. Except that Margaret (38) in the Census is born in Kilmallie ARL. Is this her Margaret CAMERON ? Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

According to the info in the 1871 census, this is Alexander McPHEE in 1841 census - same farm both times. Piece: SCT1841/520 Place: Kilmallie -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Kilmallie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 0 Page: 19 Address: Camaghail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks MCPHEE John M 60 Agricultural Labourer Outside Census County (1841) MCPHEE Mary F 55 Outside Census County (1841) MCPHEE Cath. F 30 Inverness-shire(Originally: Argyllshire) MCPHEE Cath. F 13 Inverness-shire(Originally: Argyllshire) MCPHEE Alexr. M 10 Inverness-shire(Originally: Argyllshire) age unclear - could be 16 MCPHEE Flora F 2 Inverness-shire(Originally: Argyllshire) age enumerated as 2 and a half CAMERON Cath. F 72 Outside Census County (1841) And from the ancestry.com index for 1851 Name: John McPhee Age: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Kilmalie, Argyleshire Parish Number: 520 Civil Parish: Kilmallie County: Argyll Address: Camagoal Occupation: Farmer (3 Acres) ED: 1 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 12 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1851_111 Household Members: Name Age John McPhee 73 Mary McPhee 65 Catharine McPhee 24 Alexander 20 Flora McPhee 12 I haven't found John & Mary in the 1861 census, but possibly one or both didn't die until 1855. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hi Everyone, Hope you all had a great Christmas. Looking for Alexander McPhee born circa 1831 par. supposed to be John McPhee and Mary McMillan. Mar 1860 (have marriage) Margaret Cameron born Isle of Skye to Duncan Cameron sailor (nothing known) and Effy McInnes (my interest). Children Ann 1861, Mary 1864 died 1864, Mary 1866, Duncan 1868, Margaret 1870, Catherine 1873 and Dugal about 1876. Also her sister Jane born 1840 Skye, brother Allan born circa 1844 Kilmalie and Lachlan circa 1846 Kilmalie. All were alive at the time of the 1851 census and back on Skye but Euphemia was a widow and living near her uncles in Strath. It seems that two John McPhees married a Mary McMillan one in 1790 something and one in 1833. Area Camghail/Camaghail? Any one related to them or know the story or what happened to any of them? Regards, Irene. (Melbourne, Aus.)

Thank you kindly to everyone who replied to my inquiry re the location of Balimore, Kilmichael. My best wishes to all of you for 2009! Jean (McKellar)Hammond Cuimhnich air na daoine o'n d'thàinig thu "Remember the people from whom you came" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Balimore, Kilmichael > Jean asked > >> Can someone please tell me where Balimore, Kilmichael is located? > > Ballimore was as its name suggests - the town - the main settlement of > Kilmichael in Kilmichael Glassary Parish and is where the Parish Church is > to be found. At one time it consisted, in the mid 1800s, of some 30 odd > crofts/holdings. > > If she inputs the Post Code PA31 8QD or its GB Grid Ref NR 855 931 into > the 'Search For' box of the OS Web-site > http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm she will find > Ballimore's location. . Its GB Grid coordinates are 185500,693100 with > which she can locate it on the Old Maps web-site > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx > > Regards > Les

BlankHi all The following may of interest Scottish Episcopal Clergy, 1689-2000 By David M. Bertie Enter the following URL in its entirety http://books.google.com/books?id=Ceey5RQHgHoC&dq=Scottish+Episcopal+Clergy,+1689-2000&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=dTnIG6Jxwa&sig=d950qhbtKxNrUbs9rTceeCZrNQI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1 or do a Google Book Search for Scottish Episcopal Clergy, 1689-2000 Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

Jean asked > Can someone please tell me where Balimore, Kilmichael is located? Ballimore was as its name suggests - the town - the main settlement of Kilmichael in Kilmichael Glassary Parish and is where the Parish Church is to be found. At one time it consisted, in the mid 1800s, of some 30 odd crofts/holdings. If she inputs the Post Code PA31 8QD or its GB Grid Ref NR 855 931 into the 'Search For' box of the OS Web-site http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm she will find Ballimore's location. . Its GB Grid coordinates are 185500,693100 with which she can locate it on the Old Maps web-site http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx Regards Les

Hello List Can someone please tell me where Balimore, Kilmichael is located? Thanks kindly Jean (McKellar) Hammond, London, Canada

Good morning As regards the new centre in Edinburgh (now ScotlandsPeople Centre) - this officially opens on 12 January 2009. There is also a new system of booking and a new telephone number (0131 314 4300). The Dundas Room (formelly the East Search room) is mainly for season ticket holders like Professionals etc. The new search rooms are in the other building and are the Reid and Mathieson rooms. The free search rooms are still here but upstairs now. Most of the info, I understand, regarding the new facility is on the Scotland People site but, should you have any queries, please feel free to contact me. My first visit under the new system is on 13 January so will write back and let you know how it goes. I am booked into the Reid search room as I do not hold a Season ticket. Kilmarnock's centre in Kay Park is also due to open early next year and from what I have been told this will be with the same facilities as Edinburgh and this will also be the Registrar's new premises here. Again - watch this space...... Will see what else I can find out re Mitchell Library etc. after the New Year but I do understand that Park Circus is supposed to be closing and a move there is on the cards???? Best wishes for the New Year. Ewan ------------------- Individual Personalised Tours and all aspects of Family History and Genealogical Research - please contact: ROOTS Consulting Services (Scotland) www.ancestryroots.co.uk or if you wish to visit Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc. www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk> To: "Ewan Steed" <genealogy@ancestryroots.co.uk>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Christmas > Ewan Steed wrote: >>> Wishing one and all a Very Happy Christmas and a "Guid" New Year in >>> 2009.

Merry Christmas and best wishes for 2009 to all, we start all our eating before the rest of you. Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ewan Steed" <genealogy@ancestryroots.co.uk> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Christmas > Wishing one and all a Very Happy Christmas and a "Guid" New Year in 2009. > > Hope to see some of you next year in our "Year of Homecoming" here in > Scotland. > > Ewan > > ------------ > > Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc. > > www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ewan Steed wrote: >> Wishing one and all a Very Happy Christmas and a "Guid" New Year in >> 2009. And to you Ewan and everyone else. Its been a really busy year here, mostly setting up a Local Producers Network to help our local sustainability, so precious little time to spend on the Parish Archive or my own families. >> >> Hope to see some of you next year in our "Year of Homecoming" here in >> Scotland. As we are bound to get lots of folks coming !!! we hope, Ewan, could you give everyone some personal experience of the New facilities and set up at Edinburgh. I know "I" would love to hear about it. I am sad to say I have only been once, which was in the middle of the mayhem. You, probably, have much more first hand experience than many of the listers here, of the places people will be visiting next year. Is the Mitchell Library doing anything new these days? or got things planned for Homecoming? Do you have any more news of International Scottish Genealogical event at Strathclyde Uni -- I would SO SO love to go but in the middle of July !!!!! Unless a miracle happens I cannot see it and yet it seems so close. -- and don't forget, all of you planning to come over, to let those of us who live here know when and where you are coming to, I am sure there are folks who would be happy to meet up. And, with some warning, might be able to help suggest places to go that are not well marketed online. I know that our kettle is always on !!! regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Wishing one and all a Very Happy Christmas and a "Guid" New Year in 2009. Hope to see some of you next year in our "Year of Homecoming" here in Scotland. Ewan ------------ Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc. www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm

Oh, how I feel your pain! ;-) I couldn't agree with you more about complacency. I never used to be as feisty as I am now over such things. I've just nearly lost my rag at the number of times they assume everyone who needs help and information has a PC. Happy Christmas everyone! Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk> ::) : I am more likely to take offense at being called Ji"M" : : What about the 'real' older traditions from when the crannogs, hill forts : and cairns were in use? Rather than when a few boys kept squabbling between : themselves like they were still in the nursery <VBG> : : If we get a good response to this course, maybe we can get more to cover the : other era's of this fascinating place. Trouble is those who live here are SO : complacent over the history, culture, ecology and economy. And its not like : they all have long histories here themselves. ::(( : : regards : Jill Bowis : www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network : www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry : Centre : www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, : genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

DonEMcArthur@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 20/12/2008 17:12:44 GMT Standard Time, >> farm@kintaline.co.uk writes: >> >> There is a course starting early next year on History of Argyll >> from late 17th - mid 19th C >> At Dunstaffnage, Argyll College >> >> >> >> Hi Jim. >> >> I see it will only cover the modern stuff???? Not the Traditional >> Highland culture Like when the MacArthur's where instilled into >> Dunstaffinage Castle for helping The Bruce oust the MacDougalls? but >> that was way back when Scotland had a culture??? lol dont take >> offence anybody I do not want to start a fude, >> >> Don (MacArthur) :) I am more likely to take offense at being called Ji"M" What about the 'real' older traditions from when the crannogs, hill forts and cairns were in use? Rather than when a few boys kept squabbling between themselves like they were still in the nursery <VBG> If we get a good response to this course, maybe we can get more to cover the other era's of this fascinating place. Trouble is those who live here are SO complacent over the history, culture, ecology and economy. And its not like they all have long histories here themselves. :(( regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

For those on the list who live in the Oban area this might be of interest I tried to use the forum and the contact us on your site but it would not work. I wondered if your members and other Appinites would be interested in the following. There is a course starting early next year on History of Argyll from late 17th - mid 19th C At Dunstaffnage, Argyll College This course considers the impact of social and economic change in the Highlands, and its effects on the traditional Highland culture and way of life, through the experience of Argyll. Full details of dates, times, tutor, costs etc are at :- http://www.benderloch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=1083 cheers and Yuletide greetings to you. regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum