----- Original Message ----- From: "MARGARET KIPP" <margaretkipp@rogers.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com>; <CAN-ONT-ELGIN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Lismore homecoming This is the first I have heard of this homecoming. My g g grandmother Anne McColl was born on Lismore in 1819, married Donald McPhail in the 1840's and came to Elgin County in Ontario, Canada in 1884, with all but three of their adult children. I have found birthdates for her siblings but have little information about their descendents. I may be able to attend the homecoming, so would appreciate any information. I have a number of Dr. Campey's books and find them most interesting. Hi Margaret If you follow the link to the Lismore site you will get the most up to date information on the Lismore activities I will keep the list in touch with the information I get as the season develops. Homecoming is nation wide year long celebration see here for any other activities you might be able to get to www.homecomingscotland.com I would LOVE to get to http://www.strathclydegenealogy.co.uk/igf.htm but I have no idea how I can arrange it as its in the middle of our very busiest time here. regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

----- Original Message ----- From: "MARGARET KIPP" <margaretkipp@rogers.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com>; <CAN-ONT-ELGIN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Lismore homecoming This is the first I have heard of this homecoming. My g g grandmother Anne McColl was born on Lismore in 1819, married Donald McPhail in the 1840's and came to Elgin County in Ontario, Canada in 1884, with all but three of their adult children. I have found birthdates for her siblings but have little information about their descendents. I may be able to attend the homecoming, so would appreciate any information. I have a number of Dr. Campey's books and find them most interesting. I just looked and its not obvious so http://www.isleoflismore.com/homecoming%20lismore/homecoming_lismore.htm might help all regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

This is the first I have heard of this homecoming.  My g g grandmother Anne McColl was born on Lismore in 1819, married Donald McPhail in the 1840's and came to Elgin County in Ontario, Canada in 1884, with all but three of their adult children.  I have found birthdates for her siblings but have little information about their descendents.    I may be able to attend the homecoming, so would appreciate any information.  I have a number of Dr. Campey's books and find them most interesting.   Margaret in Toronto      

The Lismore Homecoming Emigration Seminar As part of the Homecoming Lismore Week (8-14 August), the Historical Society is organising an Emigration Seminar on the afternoon of 11 August at the Heritage Centre. Our principal speaker will be Dr Lucille Campey, author of books on emigration to Canada and we will present a full account of the Lismore experience. There is room for at least one more presentation. Please put this date in your diary and come to celebrate Homecoming on Lismore (details at www.isleofLismore.com) regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Dear Andrew, I have been lurking on this list for a few years, waiting for a sign that might prove my theory. I believe that my Keach family line came from a family line in Scotland that spelled their name ³Mac²Keachan, ³Mac²Eachern, ³Mac²Eacharn, ³Mac²Eachen, ³Mac²Keachen, ³Mc²Kitchin, .....I have seen many variant spellings of this Scottish surname. What is confusing is that there is at least one Keach family line from England. Who¹s to say that these Keach families were, also, originally from Scotland, but decided to change their name and stay in the country ‹ instead of leaving to go to America, Canada and Australia. I am extremely interested in your family line and would like to know if you would consent to a DNA test. Family Tree DNA http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com info@familytreedna.com The world's first and largest Genetic Genealogy organization I am the Administrator for the Keach DNA surname Project. I can be reached directly at beadsATaspi.net Replace the ³AT² with the ³@² symbol. I get a lot of spam mail, which I am sure is collected by robots harvesting names from genealogy websites. Monica MacKeachan Bead One, Thread Too http://www.bead1threadtoo.com beadsATaspi.net

BlankHi all For those who don't know : . There is a Family History Group which covers Morvern Parish viz Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - web - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net Regards Les

Hi List, I should have subscribed to this list years ago, but better late than ever. For Don Sutherland. Yes the Angus is Hughs dad. Yes Hugh (1715) is probably more than likely Angus and Hughs dad. I gave a bit of thought to 1715 Hugh. In March 1746 in the morning a Captain Bluff or Duff (I forget) in control of two ships lands men at Drimnin. His intention is to burn everything down ie scorched earth policy stuff, right down to Ardtornish, which his men quite dutifully did. This was completed by the end of the day. There are reports of some gunshots from the surrounding forest and a report of one man killed (not from the ships party or accompanying Cambpell garrison men). Scots have a habit of being buried locally. McEacherns don't usually live to only my age. When 1715 Hugh died they were 6 Hugh and 4 Angus In the book M'Eacherns Family Essays written by Archibald the Glasgow business dude he says his "father was only educated to twelve years old". April 1746 Culloden. Where was 1715 Hugh McEachern (and the spelling is definitely McKacharn - I'm looking at the photo and there is no E) after this part of Morvern had been "cleared"? One of two guesses (given the nature of the times as I am sure conscientious objectors weren't the fashion of the day). Either he went off to fight at Culloden with McLean of Drimnin or he hid in a cave till it was all over. He was 31 or thereabouts at the time of Culloden. He was 46 when he died. As I stated we don't die that young. My presumption is that he may have been wounded in a battle etc or alternativelly he was dealt some sort of punishment for being a coward. Given the McEacherns apparent propensity (willing or otherwise) to involve themselves in wars I do suspect there is a background here. Duncan (Archibalds son who died in Vic and is buried at Hotspur) would have been quite well educated. (Once again Family Essays - Arch could not stress how important it was to educate your children and family) You can get his will from the Vic gov webiste. (Details previously listed on the Mull list) His cousins (2 of Hughs sons) wills are also there. He does seem decently educated, yet he fought in the Crimean and US Civil Wars. Archibald was involved in the Maid of Morvern Steamship Company and they had a steamship named Maid of Morvern in Gaelic. He was also a Spirit Merchant. Hughs other two brothers - Charles became a schoolmaster up the coast and Donald stayed a weaver in Lochaline. Donald is listed in the 1841 census with his daughter next door. She later came out to Australia and married. She had been unmarried in Lochaline and was a dressmaker. I've got so much more(but no where near enough). I've done quite a job on tracking the movements of the family here, but mainly in Scotland. What do you want to know? Can you let me know where you fit in? I have cc'd this to my personal email address. I fit in Hugh William William John Gilbert (Formally of Tumbarumba) Dad Me Son Kind regards Andrew McEachern

In the grave yard at the Kiel Church, Lochaline, there are three McEachern stones commemorating: 1. Angus McEachern late tenant of Knock, who departed this life 20 August 1827 aged 70 (so b ca 1757) This stone laid by his son Archibald. 2. Hugh McEachern late tenant in Savary who died 17 Dec 1822 aged 67 (so b ca 1755) Erected by his sons Donald and Angus) 3. Hugh McKaecharn - Here lys the corps of Hugh McKaecharn who died July 6 1761 aged 46. All three stones are over neighbouring graves, so it seems they might all have been from the one family. I believe that Angus is the father of Hugh b ca 1781 and Archibald b 1791, both of whom emigrated to Victoria, Australia (Hugh arr Sydney 1839, Archibald much later, around 1850 after operating a business at Gorbels, LKS for many years) Hugh and Angus above, being born around 2 years apart, are probably brothers. And if I really let my imagination run then the other Hugh above may be a father or an Uncle or even a grandfather to Hugh and Angus. But I don't have any proof of any of this. Is there anyone who recognises any of these names who can perhaps give me a lead as to where they slot in? Don Sutherland

Don asked > In an old post I saw that Iain Thornber was intending to publish a book to > be called 'From Time to Eternity', which would include a history of the > Keil > Church and Graveyard at Lochaline. Can anyone tell me whether it was ever > published and if so where I might find a copy. I'm afraid that, for some reason only known to himself, Iain has never published his book. Every time I mention it to him he says he'll do it yet it hasn't, to date, appeared. Maybe one day. Regards Les

Looking for information on Alexander McDougall - b. Kilberry, Argyll - believed to be baptized on November 4, 1805. Married Susan Seton and came to Ontario, Canada where they settled in Ekfrid, near London Ontario. Here they had 7 children: Isabella (1848), Alexander (Oct 1853), Ann (1844), Jane (1848), Jenny (1848), John (1851) and Margaret (1855) in Ontario Canada. If you have connections to either of these names, please email me, thanks! Shannon Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM

Hi Peggy et al, I can recommend B&B accommodation at the Old Manse, Strachur. My wife and I stayed there for a couple of nights in August and found it outstanding. The hosts, Bob and Sheila Macpherson, are a very genial pair and have loads of local knowledge. The breakfasts were so spectacular (try Bob's special Navy dish) that we did without lunch. The house is quite old-fashioned in appearance, furnishings and decoration, but has all mod coms and there are interesting old books everywhere. At £65 a night for 2 people, it wasn't cheapest B&B we've stayed in, but it was easily the most memorable we've been in for years. Bob and Sheila are great company and made us feel totally at home right away. The full details are: Bob and Sheila Macpherson, The Old Manse, Strachur PA27 8DF Tel: ++44 (0)1369 860247 (You drop the (0) if dialling from outside UK) e-mail: sheilamacpherson@strachur247.freeserve.co.uk You can also read a bit more about them by Googling "Alastair Sawday's Special Places to Stay". I've got no connection with the business other than as a satisfied customer. Regards, Ken Mathieson ----- Original Message ----- From: <artistinsc@aol.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] I may be coming to Strachur, Argyll this summer, need advice searching roots, more >I am from SC,USA and am a lurker here and have searched my Argyll roots for >12 years and it has proved fruitful but i am not able to keep up with it as >i wish.Nw, my daghter and her spouse have given my husband and I frequent >flier miles to go to Scotland and we only have July available and have not >had time since getting the gift on New Year's Day. > I am the great great granddaughter of the blacksmith there who's shop is > called? "The Smiddy'' and I have had some contact with Cathie there and > Colin Montgomery who moved from there but visits on occasion .As a > professional artist in my hme state, I teach at museums here and maintain > a large pottery and painting studios and now? attend ''tuition free"? for > over 60 year olds,classes at the state? university to keep fresh and work > on equipment?I do not maintain at? home, like a bronze foundary,blacksmith > workshop and printing etching/intaglio presses.? > I am looking for sites in Scotland ,possibly nearby to places my kin > hailed from , but also just magnificent compex and beautiful in a rugged > natural way sites,to do some small?landscape painting studies to paint > from upon returning home.I want to? search the archives and see the > homeplaces and burial grounds there to document for my grandchildren the > home of their ancestors.I aso am not familiar with? contemporary artists > there and would love to paint onsite with some of the best ones,if they > will have me.I am looking for the best places to do some short term > research as my time wuld be very limited and husband has kin elsewhere, so > just to save and maximize my use of available time i will need to have a > plan.I might like to visit? the cemetarys there also for photos and a > rubbing or two. > > My ancestor John Montgomery was an aprenticed butcher who owned his shop > in Peebles [where most of his and Barbara Allan Campbell's(Thurso > ,Caithness)?children were born ,including my grandmother Margaret].and > both?immigrated in his 50s to Vancouver,BC?before 1900,I think [without > info in front of me].Chris Hay has been working? so hard in recent years > to give him proper recognition for doing and? who has hopes of reinstating > at least a part of them snce the hurricane rerevealed them under the > undergrowth amid huge grown over trees.My grandmother didn't go to Canada > with them but planned to stay in her beloved Scotland but made the > ''error'' of visiting the USA [Boston] and met herlifelong?husband there > and only returned to Glasgow in the 1930s. to visit her remaining siser[s] > Barbara,who never immigrated out. > > So, if anyone knows any kin in this line who is still living there ,aside > from Cathie whom I have already contacted,?I would like to identify them > before coming. I am also looking for Inns, Bed and Breakfasts, artists and > their studios, incuding? potters and? fine wodworkers to visit.I hope it > is not too late in the year already to pan the trip of my lifetime as I am > 64 and hubby is 66 and one never knows.We are looking for places with > public transportation to them as hiring a driver may have to be limited to > short runs, if available at all,due to the expense. > blathering as I am genuinely excited over the generous gift te children > have given s and hope to take them up on the great trip it could be for us > to share with them.Thank you, > > Margaret aka ""Peggy'' in South Carolina,USA > Anyhow, I apologize for all the > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Peggy What a wonderful present! And now it's up to you to make the very best of it. I'll leave it to the local Montgomerys to tell what you need to know on transport and accommodation, as distances DO need to be reckoned with, I can assure you. Googling the area will find you artists and art festivals including potters, but you might like to visit Don McNeil and Jean Bell at Fyne Studios in Newton, which may be hard to find, but it's just down the loch from Strachur http://www.fyne-studios.com/direct.htm?=directions.htm They have a wide experience and may be able to help you find what you are loooking for. I have a lovely dvd made by them about their work and showing spots where they work and explaining, for example, the difference in light between Loch Fyne and Loch Eck. Then there's Glensluain Pottery slightly inland above Strachur and three Bridges Pottery near Inveraray for starters. There are also numerous books and sites with photos and stories of the area, which are infinitely enjoyable and will help you plan your journey. I hope to make a similar trip later this year and I know about having to divide the time between different areas of Scotland. Not to mention your husband! Like you, I have roots around Loch Fyne, in Perthshire and the far north east, so it's no easy task to combine. My Dutch husband has no connection with Scotland other than through me, which helps, but, then again, there's a limit to what a non-Scot can take. :-) Beyond the plan, you need time to absorb and walk and become more familiar with the places and people... My first course would be to list the locations on the OPRs and census records down the years, plot them on maps: an overview of Scotland, one of Argyll - and ordnance survey maps of the actual spots. (But if you're like me you'll have done this a hundred times already.) Then it is a case of deciding on the most important places to be, because the family were there for a long time, or a spot has a particular significance. Here you have an advantage, as your main Strachur line was located in one spot, due to the nature of their occupation: the smiddy in (Clachan) Strachur - handy, as the village is easier to reach than my family's homes, all 'close' by but without access by public transport. Your John Montgomery went to Peebles and Perthshire, marrying a lass from the far north, but I understand his grandfather William Montgomery was from Perthshire as well, born around 1776. Dugald Montgomery b1813 and Jane McKenzie were the generation in between at Strachur, John's parents. Dugald was born in Strachur, but by all accounts Jane was from Dunoon, so you have roots there too. I understand there may be descendants living there now, and it is a centre for Cowal. Cathie Montgomery in Strachur is a leading light in the local history society so she can tell you more if anyone can. Did you ever contact the people on Genes Reunited I mentioned? There were at least three focusing on the Strachur Montgomery line, but if you are in touch with Cathie and Colin you may know them as well. The week we spent on Loch Fyne was delightful, though all too short. That was self-catering near Otter Ferry, but we also had one night B & B at a spot in Strathlachlan closely linked to my McVean great grandmother. A moving experience... if very different from byegone days and no sign of the rising damp that must have played havoc with our family's health.... We met up at the Creggans Hotel one night with Sinclair cousins. Great all round. I'd like to stay at my 3x great grandfather's home in Newton, revamped and for rental now, but we'll be towing a caravan this time and, while I would like to home in on Strathlachlan/ Strachur, besides Glendaruel, there are only static sites in the vicinity, so it may be Inveraray or Lochgilphead as a base, which is good for the archives and at least I can see Loch Fyne and the hills above Strathlachlan and explore the west coast as well. Great area, but still a fair trek from Strachur & Strathlachlan. What we need is a boat! We're not going to attempt the far north this trip but I do want to travel through Perthshire and spend a few days near Loch Ussie in Ross-shire...so we have our work cut out and will have to choose. Generally speaking, I would not be surprised if accommodation were at a premium this year, with a probable extra influx of visitors to Scotland for Homecoming 2009. Gravestones may be hard to find, depending on your family. Mine wouldn't have had the wherewithal to have stones placed to commemorate any or all of the relations who died young. And yet...there may be the odd one from the end of the 19th century on. And just when you least expect it, things fall into place. I'd sort of promised my husband we wouldn't hang around (m)any more graveyards - but when we walked past the old burial ground at Strathlachlan HE went straight in. I called out that he needn't bother, as that was only for the McLachlans from the Castle...I thought...but that was precisely the place I found the first stones I'd seen for my any of my McVean family... People's experiences will differ, but I would add that, when we were on the north coast of Sutherland in July 2005, we noticed that B&Bs that were actually open were few and far between. And when self-catering, we learned to plan our forays carefully, and making sure we stocked up on supplies when we were near a shop: good memories of the store at Strachur. It might sound as though all this was lacking in spontaneity. No way. Enjoy! Have fun planning your trip, Peggy, and for you and everyone visiting Scotland, may it be very rewarding. Katie de Haan The Netherlands MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK MITCHELL MCINTYRE Argyll, RFW > LKS MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE ROSS: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty > LKS MCCALLUM Perthshire 1700s THACKWELL KEAT Worcs/Oxon/Berks/ KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR POKINS HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON BECKWITH Middlesex/London City/East End UK --Original Message --From: <artistinsc@aol.com>To: <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com>Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] I may be coming to Strachur, Argyll this summer, need advice searching roots, more >I am from SC,USA and am a lurker here and have searched my Argyll roots for 12 years and it has proved fruitful but i am not able to keep up with it as i wish.Nw, my daghter and her spouse have given my husband and I frequent flier miles to go to Scotland and we only have July available and have not had time since getting the gift on New Year's Day. > I am the great great granddaughter of the blacksmith there who's shop is called? "The Smiddy'' and I have had some contact with Cathie there and Colin Montgomery who moved from there but visits on occasion .As a professional artist in my hme state, I teach at museums here and maintain a large pottery and painting studios and now? attend ''tuition free"? for over 60 year olds,classes at the state? university to keep fresh and work on equipment?I do not maintain at? home, like a bronze foundary,blacksmith workshop and printing etching/intaglio presses.?

I am revisiting my CAMERON, PROUDFOOT, MCINTOSH line in Argyllshire. Carol Cameron, Jean Brien and Beverly Bundy of Australia (and myself) are all descended from Donald CAMERON and Jane PROUDFOOT (circa 1769 - 1849) who lived at Musdale and Kerrera. Carol was a contributor to this list and shared research with Jean and Beverly. Recent e-mails to these distant cousins were all undeliverable. I am looking to connect with the above as well as any other descendants of Donald and Jane. My line follows their daughter, Margaret CAMERON, who married Duncan MCINTOSH, 1817 at Kilmore & Kilbride. Their son John MCINTOSH, married Jane COWAN. Their son, James MCINTOSH, born circa 1850, was born in Oban or Glasgow and lived as a plumber in Milngavie. His first wife, was Mary Gorman Armour. Thank you, Margaret Bendickson

I am from SC,USA and am a lurker here and have searched my Argyll roots for 12 years and it has proved fruitful but i am not able to keep up with it as i wish.Nw, my daghter and her spouse have given my husband and I frequent flier miles to go to Scotland and we only have July available and have not had time since getting the gift on New Year's Day. I am the great great granddaughter of the blacksmith there who's shop is called? "The Smiddy'' and I have had some contact with Cathie there and Colin Montgomery who moved from there but visits on occasion .As a professional artist in my hme state, I teach at museums here and maintain a large pottery and painting studios and now? attend ''tuition free"? for over 60 year olds,classes at the state? university to keep fresh and work on equipment?I do not maintain at? home, like a bronze foundary,blacksmith workshop and printing etching/intaglio presses.? I am looking for sites in Scotland ,possibly nearby to places my kin hailed from , but also just magnificent compex and beautiful in a rugged natural way sites,to do some small?landscape painting studies to paint from upon returning home.I want to? search the archives and see the homeplaces and burial grounds there to document for my grandchildren the home of their ancestors.I aso am not familiar with? contemporary artists there and would love to paint onsite with some of the best ones,if they will have me.I am looking for the best places to do some short term research as my time wuld be very limited and husband has kin elsewhere, so just to save and maximize my use of available time i will need to have a plan.I might like to visit? the cemetarys there also for photos and a rubbing or two. My ancestor John Montgomery was an aprenticed butcher who owned his shop in Peebles [where most of his and Barbara Allan Campbell's(Thurso ,Caithness)?children were born ,including my grandmother Margaret].and both?immigrated in his 50s to Vancouver,BC?before 1900,I think [without info in front of me].Chris Hay has been working? so hard in recent years to give him proper recognition for doing and? who has hopes of reinstating at least a part of them snce the hurricane rerevealed them under the undergrowth amid huge grown over trees.My grandmother didn't go to Canada with them but planned to stay in her beloved Scotland but made the ''error'' of visiting the USA [Boston] and met herlifelong?husband there and only returned to Glasgow in the 1930s. to visit her remaining siser[s] Barbara,who never immigrated out. So, if anyone knows any kin in this line who is still living there ,aside from Cathie whom I have already contacted,?I would like to identify them before coming. I am also looking for Inns, Bed and Breakfasts, artists and their studios, incuding? potters and? fine wodworkers to visit.I hope it is not too late in the year already to pan the trip of my lifetime as I am 64 and hubby is 66 and one never knows.We are looking for places with public transportation to them as hiring a driver may have to be limited to short runs, if available at all,due to the expense. blathering as I am genuinely excited over the generous gift te children have given s and hope to take them up on the great trip it could be for us to share with them.Thank you, Margaret aka ""Peggy'' in South Carolina,USA Anyhow, I apologize for all the

Frank, I'm interested in a comment you wrote regarding the information you posted on Balimore, Kilmichael regarding the Stewarts of Ascog in Bute. "The lands of both Balliemore and Kilmichael belonged for most of the 18th century to the Campbell's of Auchenbreck, thereafter passing into the hands of the Stewarts of Ascog in Bute." Do you, perchance, have other information on this family of Stewarts? Thanks, Deb Devlin-Adams No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 31/12/08 8:44 AM

Dear List Balimore Kilmichael Enquiry I am interested in Frank's comments regarding Kilmichael Glassary in Digest, Vol 3, Issue 173. I'd like to add a few points. Firstly, I think it's a pity ArgyllRootsweb correspondence is not always shown in its entirety, particularly if the topics under discussion are of general interest. This happens quite a lot. How can you possibly understand, let alone participate, if you only get some of the information? Messages should be sent directly to the website, not to personal email addresses. Frank correctly identifies confusion between the farming township of Balimore and the village of Kilmichael Glassary. I think there is also confusion over the term 'baile-mor'. Baile, we know, is defined as a town, but the trouble starts with that very definition. Baile is an altogether much more fluid term, ranging from the tiniest hamlet to the highly populated town, depending on the context. Baile can even mean "the domestic unit"; 'aig baile' is Gaelic for 'at home'. Dictionaries correctly define baile -mor as a city, or large town - Glasgow would be described thus, but so would Oban and Lochgilphead. Obviously baile-mor is going to be larger than baile, but the application has to be placed within the context of olden-days rural Argyll. Balimore is put in context by Kilmichael which distinguishes it from other Argyll Balimores but Kilmichael Glassary was the principal village in the glen. KG was a settlement of antiquity and status where large important Fairs and Cattle Trysts were held. As Frank says, there is another Balliemore (sic) in Glassary at Aird, near Castleton, and there is Balimore, South Knapdale. I would be very interested to know where the other mainland Argyll Balimores are to be found. May I add that the spelling of Balimore/Baliemore/Ballimore is not important. There was a Cattle Stance beside Kilmichael Inn at present-day Bridgend. On modern maps the cattle stance is near the Inn and designated, (horror of horrors) "baile-mor" . Bridgend, once on Balimore lands, is the location of the old Kilmichael Inn where there was a blacksmith and shoemaker, but little else. The very English, non- Gaelic name Bridgend suggests a "new" village which probably grew during the 19th century. Many new houses have been built at Bridgend in the last 30 years. le meas Jean MacLeod

I have read with interest the correspondence about Balliemore (the spelling on the modern 1:25000 OS map). I detect that some confusion may be creeping in between Balliemore which was a farming township with several tenants and the neighbouring village of Kilmichael Glassary (or Kilmichael in Glassary or of Glassary, as it is usually called before the 19th century to distinguish it from the 9 other Kilmichaels in Argyll ) which seems to have been a 'kirktoun' - one of the many old villages in Scotland which grew from medieval times onwards round a parish church. It was a centre for a number of activities in Argyll in the 18th century and earlier and the courts frequently sat there. The minister of the very large parish of Glassary lived there, there weas a parish school there, and there is evidence of merchants (a shop?) there and of a doctor living there. There was also a court officer permanently based there who acted as a kind of policeman on occasion. Balliemore was sim! ply a farm with several tenants and a mill. In the 17th and 18th centuries people are described as being 'in Balliemore' or 'in Kilmichael' and there is no crossover. The lands of both Balliemore and Kilmichael belonged for most of the 18th century to the Campbells of Auchenbreck, thereafter passing into the hands of the Stewarts of Ascog in Bute. The place is usually called Ballimore Kilmichael because there was another Ballimore in the same parish a few miles away to the east of Lochgilphead which was often known as Ballimore Aird. (To my knowledge there are 8 Ballimores on the Argyll mainland - I shall be delighted if someone tells me that I have not noticed others.) I would also point out that these places are not dealt with in the late Allan Begg's book because they were not and are not deserted. The other complcation in this matter is the existence of the village/hamlet which grew up on the main road from Lochgilphead to Oban at Bridgend.? I suspect that these houses were on the lands of Balliemore and may be the reason for the quoted large number of inhabitants. I have not come across any references to this site as a village in any of my work on the documents of 17th and 18th century Argyll and would guess that it is probably a place which grew in the 19th century. -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:01 Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 173 Today's Topics: 1. Balimore, Kilmichael (Jean C. MacLeod) 2. Re: Balimore, Kilmichael (Jill) 3. Balimore, Kilmichael (Jean C. MacLeod) 4. Re: Balimore, Kilmichael (Jill) 5. McPherson Family (sandra) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hi all, I am new to this list as I have just started on my Scottish McPherson Family. I have Alexander McPherson married 2 Dec 1845 to Marion McNeill. Children born in Campbeltown, Argyllshire, Scotland are: Duncan born 14 May 1846 Donald born 9 Feb 1848 Mary born 29 Dec 1849 John born 16 Mar 1852 Around 1852 they sailed to Australia and one more son was born Neil McPherson in 1855. I would like to contact anyone with an interest or connection to this family. Sandra Victoria, Australia

2008/12/30 Jean C. MacLeod <jeanc15@tiscali.co.uk> > Dear List > > Balimore, Kilmichael > > Jill, thanks, I note your comments.Yes, there are countless old maps on the > internet which are easy to access and essential for researchers. Les has > other maps. > have you searched the national library for scotland maps, recently? > Glassary Census 1841.......I would want to look at the whole Parish of > Glassary to find statistics for Balimore, Kilmichael......a sweep, which can > be done with the 1881. I shudder to think of the cost on > Scotlandspeople.gov.uk, my favourite website. Santa Claus even sent me > vouchers this year and I'm asking my husband how on earth he knew I'd want > them! freecen is FREE regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

Dear List Balimore, Kilmichael Jill, thanks, I note your comments.Yes, there are countless old maps on the internet which are easy to access and essential for researchers. Les has other maps. Glassary Census 1841.......I would want to look at the whole Parish of Glassary to find statistics for Balimore, Kilmichael......a sweep, which can be done with the 1881. I shudder to think of the cost on Scotlandspeople.gov.uk, my favourite website. Santa Claus even sent me vouchers this year and I'm asking my husband how on earth he knew I'd want them! le meas Jean MacLeod