You don't have a Dougal Fletcher married to a Emily Blair do you her died husband was george Blair came from around Inverary area Dougal was a ships stoker, I dont know the date she married him tho, she was born 1843 died 1926 at 32 McLean Street Govan mother was Margaret MacINTYRE father was James Blair crofter Regards Jim Ron Bloomfield wrote: > Hi Mary > > No i did not know that Calum was a shortened version of Malcolm. > I can not find when he left the UK or when he arrived in New Zealand > or when he entered Australia, but as the story goes he was supposed > to be a seaman in what capacity i do'nt know. > > Cheers for now Ron In OZ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ron and Mary Harris <r_harris@sympatico.ca> > To: Ron Bloomfield <smiffy43@yahoo.com.au> > Sent: Sunday, 22 February, 2009 1:44:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Neil Mcpherson Fletcher > > Hi Ron, > > First, not sure if you know this or not, but Calum and Malcolm are the same name. Many boys born as Malcolm are never known as anything but Calum ... a common short form in that part of the world. So the 8 year old Malcolm on the 1901 census is Calum FLETCHER. > > This Neil still could be the same Neil too. He very likely worked as a shepherd, in 1901, as a young man of 25 years, with his shepherding family. He could have immigrated to NZ shortly thereafter, married, had a family, migrated to Australia and obtained a ship's steward job before 1913, about when my grandfather remembers meeting him. He could have been in the UK with his ship and took the opportunity to see his family? > > We haven't ruled them out yet, Ron! > > I have a letter to scan and send you, that my Dad prepared for you. I just have to get my kids to hook up the scanner again that they disconnected! lol > > Mary > in Canada > > > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1958 - Release Date: 02/18/09 08:57:00 > >

Hi Judy, Do you know where Janet Dunbar was born or her parents? I have Dunbars but not McCallums. Mary in Australia >Ken & Evelyn MacCallum" <kemac@llanreath.eclipse.co.uk >Descendants of Robert McCallum > >1 Robert McCallum 1815 - >.. +Janet Dunbar 1817 - 1874 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary No i did not know that Calum was a shortened version of Malcolm. I can not find when he left the UK or when he arrived in New Zealand or when he entered Australia, but as the story goes he was supposed to be a seaman in what capacity i do'nt know. Cheers for now Ron In OZ ________________________________ From: Ron and Mary Harris <r_harris@sympatico.ca> To: Ron Bloomfield <smiffy43@yahoo.com.au> Sent: Sunday, 22 February, 2009 1:44:38 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Neil Mcpherson Fletcher Hi Ron, First, not sure if you know this or not, but Calum and Malcolm are the same name. Many boys born as Malcolm are never known as anything but Calum ... a common short form in that part of the world. So the 8 year old Malcolm on the 1901 census is Calum FLETCHER. This Neil still could be the same Neil too. He very likely worked as a shepherd, in 1901, as a young man of 25 years, with his shepherding family. He could have immigrated to NZ shortly thereafter, married, had a family, migrated to Australia and obtained a ship's steward job before 1913, about when my grandfather remembers meeting him. He could have been in the UK with his ship and took the opportunity to see his family? We haven't ruled them out yet, Ron! I have a letter to scan and send you, that my Dad prepared for you. I just have to get my kids to hook up the scanner again that they disconnected! lol Mary in Canada Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more

I have a couple of established DUNBAR names, one of which is connected to BISSET which I think you may know of. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> To: <Brooks1934@aol.com>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Later Mc Callums : Hi Judy, : : Do you know where Janet Dunbar was born or her parents? I have : Dunbars but not McCallums. : : Mary in Australia :

Thank you for sharing in this way. I have a PETTIGREW family in my paternal line in the same time scale but not a Catherine that I have come across. The MUNN name appears in that line. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brooks1934@aol.com> : : Ken & Evelyn MacCallum" <kemac@llanreath.eclipse.co.uk : Descendants of Robert McCallum : : 1 Robert McCallum 1815 - : .. +Janet Dunbar 1817 - 1874 : ........ 2 Alexander McCallum 1837 - 1874 : ............ +Catherine Pettigrew 1836 - 1910 : ................... 3 Janet McCallum 1858 - 1934 : ................... 3 Catherine Buchanan McCallum 1860 - 1936 : ....................... +Alexander Galbraith 1854 - Deceased : ............................. 4 Peggy Galbraith : ................................. +Alexander Wilson : ........................................ 5 Ena Wilson : ............................................ +Unknown Anderson : ............................. 4 William Galbraith : ................................. +Nan : ............................. 4 Alexander McCallum Galbraith 1883 - 1972 : ................................. +Jessie M. Watson 1883 - Deceased : ........................................ 5 Alexander Galbraith 1911 - : ........................................ 5 Jessie M. Galbraith 1912 - : ........................................ 5 Watson G. Galbraith 1919 - 2003 : ........................................ 5 Catherine M. (Rina) Galbraith : 1923 - : ............................. 4 James Galbraith 1886 - : ................................. +Mary Taylor : ........................................ 5 Alastair Galbraith : ............................. 4 Catherine P. Galbraith 1888 - Unknown : ................................. +James Wilkie Unknown - Unknown : ........................................ 5 Isabel Wilkie : ............................. 4 Robert McCallum Galbraith 1890 - 1969 : ................................. +Mary Crawford 1896 - Deceased : ........................................ 5 Peggy Galbraith : ........................................ 5 Alexander Galbraith 1926 - 1991 : ............................................ +Blanche Chagnon 1929 - : ........................................ 5 Robert C. Galbraith 1929 - 1992 : ............................................ +Nancy : ................... 3 Robert McCallum 1861 - : ................... 3 William McCallum 1863 - 1933 : ....................... +Mary : ................... 3 Mary McCallum 1865 - 1866 : ................... 3 Christina Pettigrew McCallum 1867 - 1923 : ................... 3 Martha McCallum 1868 - 1870 : ................... 3 Alexander McCallum 1870 - 1873 : ................... 3 Isabella McCallum 1872 - 1880 : ................... 3 Alexander McCallum 1874 - 1936 : ........ 2 Barbara McCallum 1840 - : ........ 2 Elizabeth McCallum 1842 - : ........ 2 Christina McCallum 1845 - : ........ 2 Robert McCallum 1846 - : ........ 2 John McCallum 1851 - : To I have this line to my daughter-in-law. Don't know if it will help as : there is a big gap there. First Robert was born in Glasgow, Scotland. : Judy Brooks Truchon

HI John, You didn't find a Grace McNab among your relatives did you? She married first Alexander Greig in 1839 and had one son, Alexander, then was widowed and married Ninian Paton in 1849. We don't know who her parents were and since she was Ninian's second wife there is no way of sorting the family by the naming systems. Her father may well have been Andrew McNab as her son was so named - but Ninian already had sons James, John, William and Ninian by first wife. Grace's eldest daughter was Margaret Primrose Paton. According to the 1851 census Grace was born in Port Glasgow but these records are not always correct and by the 1861 as far as I can work out they had all gone to Australia. Best regards, Mary At 07:20 PM 19/02/2009, John Shaw wrote: >It was common practice about that time for highland and island men >to go to the mainland - often Glasgow - to earn money to send back >home. Famine did occur plus more localised instances of starvation. >A 3 or 4 acre croft might sound idyllic but it could never support a >family. My gg grandfather Malcolm MacNabb left Skye about 1855 to do >just that. However he took ill and died in 1857 alone in the Royal >Infirmary. The death certificate did not even give the name of his >wife or parents. I wonder if his wife and kids knew what became of him. >JOHN SHAW >AUCKLAND NZ. > >For complete instructions on how to UNSUBSCRIBE / SUBSCRIBE / or >CHANGE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS - visit this web >page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/maillist.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Katie and David Thank you both for your informative replies. I really appreciate the help you both given me to - I have subscribed to Scotland's People and will follow your suggestions and download copies of the entries there. Katie - my husband and I toured around the Cowal peninsula, and Kilbride areas a few years ago. At the time we were researching his McCallum ancestors but I wasn't aware of any McCallums in my family history then. We are planning a return visit , hopefully it won't be such wet weather, to have some more "hands on" research. I shall bring your useful comments with me. Gratefully yours Evelyn

Hello Judy Thank you for the list of McCallums. I t doesn't fit in with my McCallum details so far but I thin it may with my husbands - I'll need to check. The Catherine Buchanan McCallum name links with his cousin, George Buchanan McCallum whose ancestors emigrated to USA. They originated in the island of Colonsay, if I remember correctly. I'll be in touch when I've checked through his data. Regards Evelyn

Hi Ron, Hmmm what makes you think they are 2 different FLETCHER families? Is it because of the change in location? You would be surprised how many places shepherding families pop up over the years! Dad is pretty convinced that these are the same FLETCHERs he knew and if they are they were in other places too, including the island of Jura for a time. Is it because of the ages? I know Alex FLETCHER would have been 73 by 1913 (when my grandfather worked with him at Cononish) but in the days before social security of any kind, people worked until they were no longer fit .... and my grandfather did refer to him as 'the old man' then. His adult children would have been doing the bulk of the work. Do you have any idea of Neil FLETCHER's occupation? Dad believes this Neil was a ship's steward during the pre WW1 period. It may be the same group yet, Ron. What do you think? Hi Mary My first thoughts were the age factor but as you say your grandfather was young and Alexander was old, well that clears that up hopefully. The other thing is Calum i don't have anything on the birth of him. He would have to have born very late as he is not on the 1901 census. The youngest son on the census is Malcolm who was 8 at the time.Neil migrated to New Zealand where he married in 1907 and had a family then moved on to Australia. Neil's occupation on the census (all the census information was very kindly provided by Judi McRae) shows him as a shepherd. Well mary, i will leave you with this and hope to hear from you soon. Cheers Ron In OZ Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more

Ken & Evelyn MacCallum" <kemac@llanreath.eclipse.co.uk Descendants of Robert McCallum 1 Robert McCallum 1815 - .. +Janet Dunbar 1817 - 1874 ........ 2 Alexander McCallum 1837 - 1874 ............ +Catherine Pettigrew 1836 - 1910 ................... 3 Janet McCallum 1858 - 1934 ................... 3 Catherine Buchanan McCallum 1860 - 1936 ....................... +Alexander Galbraith 1854 - Deceased ............................. 4 Peggy Galbraith ................................. +Alexander Wilson ........................................ 5 Ena Wilson ............................................ +Unknown Anderson ............................. 4 William Galbraith ................................. +Nan ............................. 4 Alexander McCallum Galbraith 1883 - 1972 ................................. +Jessie M. Watson 1883 - Deceased ........................................ 5 Alexander Galbraith 1911 - ........................................ 5 Jessie M. Galbraith 1912 - ........................................ 5 Watson G. Galbraith 1919 - 2003 ........................................ 5 Catherine M. (Rina) Galbraith 1923 - ............................. 4 James Galbraith 1886 - ................................. +Mary Taylor ........................................ 5 Alastair Galbraith ............................. 4 Catherine P. Galbraith 1888 - Unknown ................................. +James Wilkie Unknown - Unknown ........................................ 5 Isabel Wilkie ............................. 4 Robert McCallum Galbraith 1890 - 1969 ................................. +Mary Crawford 1896 - Deceased ........................................ 5 Peggy Galbraith ........................................ 5 Alexander Galbraith 1926 - 1991 ............................................ +Blanche Chagnon 1929 - ........................................ 5 Robert C. Galbraith 1929 - 1992 ............................................ +Nancy ................... 3 Robert McCallum 1861 - ................... 3 William McCallum 1863 - 1933 ....................... +Mary ................... 3 Mary McCallum 1865 - 1866 ................... 3 Christina Pettigrew McCallum 1867 - 1923 ................... 3 Martha McCallum 1868 - 1870 ................... 3 Alexander McCallum 1870 - 1873 ................... 3 Isabella McCallum 1872 - 1880 ................... 3 Alexander McCallum 1874 - 1936 ........ 2 Barbara McCallum 1840 - ........ 2 Elizabeth McCallum 1842 - ........ 2 Christina McCallum 1845 - ........ 2 Robert McCallum 1846 - ........ 2 John McCallum 1851 - To I have this line to my daughter-in-law. Don't know if it will help as there is a big gap there. First Robert was born in Glasgow, Scotland. Judy Brooks Truchon **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Hello Evelyn That Malcolm McCallum's 1752 baptism record can be viewed online at Scotland's People. www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It's on the same page as someone I thought might be one of my McKellars, so I've seen it. It gives the McCallum/McLugas family's address or location in Kilfinan Parish at the time as Kilbride, which I imagine is near Kilbride Bay, at the very south of the Cowal Peninsula, opposite Arran. It can be found easily on plenty of maps and Googling will turn up images of the Bay if you're interested. The marriage for Archibald and Mary is harder to find, as is Mary's birth: unfortunately, the mentions in the basic IGI search don't refer to actual records but are estimated dates, and untraceable in the OPRs, for me at least. Maybe trawling through the batch numbers might find the records somewhere, as Mc/Lucas/M(a)cLugas may also be recorded as MacLugais etc etc etc... Although I saw no obvious birth for Mary or marriage to Archibald, the page with Malcolm's baptism in 1752 shows no less than 3 children with a McLugas parent, including Malcolm, so there must have been McLugas families in the parish. There are more McLugas records for Kilmodan Parish, though still no Mary in the right time frame. It is possible that some of McLugas families migrated from Kilmodan to Kilfinan, as did some of my ancestors. So no simple answers to your McLugas conundrum, but it may be interesting to look into other McLugas records in the wider area. Horizontal research into siblings of my untraceable relations has found a number of them and, even where a particular record remained unfindable, the wider view enabled me to reconstruct probably developments and migrations. If you want to trawl through the IGI batch numbers looking for records for all possible spellings of McLugas, this link will point you in the right direction. It takes time, but that way you can decide for yourself whether there are any weird spellings that might just be Mary's birth or Mary & Archibald's marriage. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page Good luck on your trail, Katie de Haan The Netherlands -- Original Message ---From: "Ken & Evelyn MacCallum" <kemac@llanreath.eclipse.co.uk> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Mary McLUCAS / McLUGAS > Hi Lorraine > I'm really grateful for the McLucas information. I have previously searched > IGL but only found Malcolm McCallum's birth. > Thank you - I'll try and get copies of the original parish records. Regards > Evelyn

Hi Lorraine I'm really grateful for the McLucas information. I have previously searched IGL but only found Malcolm McCallum's birth. Thank you - I'll try and get copies of the original parish records. Regards Evelyn

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk has a record in the Old Parish Register Births & Baptisms for Malcolm McCallum 06 Dec 1752 in the Parish of Kilfinan and for Barbara MacCallum 01 Jan 1748 in the Parish of Kilfinan Regards, David Watt

Hi Evelyn, I see your Malcolm on the IGI Familysearch born 26 Dec 1752 in Kilfinan (sp.), Argyll, which will be the Kilfinnan on the Cowal peninsula. I see also Barbara McCallum to the same parents on 13 Jan 1747 in the same place. Also on IGI, Archibald McCallum married Mary McLucas or McLugas in 1746 again in Kilfinan, Argyll. Also Mary Lugas or McLugas birth in 1726 at Kifinan. Regards, Lorraine Johnston. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Evelyn MacCallum" <kemac@llanreath.eclipse.co.uk> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Mary McLUCAS / McLUGAS > Hello > > > > I wonder if any of my fellow listers is able to help me break through the > endless dead ends I've uncovered when trying to discover more about my > ancestor Mary McLucas, born around 1730 in, I think, in Kilfinnen, Jura, > Argyll. She married Archibald McCallum in about 1750 and had a son > Malcolm, > 26th December 1752, Kilfinnen. > > > > In hope > > Evelyn > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I wonder if any of my fellow listers is able to help me break through the endless dead ends I've uncovered when trying to discover more about my ancestor Mary McLucas, born around 1730 in, I think, in Kilfinnen, Jura, Argyll. She married Archibald McCallum in about 1750 and had a son Malcolm, 26th December 1752, Kilfinnen. In hope Evelyn

Hi Ian, There is a birth record for an Ailsa Sibella KELLY, b. 1947 in the parish of Southend, Argyll on Scotlandspeople. There isn't an image to see due to the date, perhaps this is your lassie. Hope this helps, Kathy Stevenson Elmira, Ontario, Canada

Dear Listers, I am trying to pinpoint the date of a marriage between Roger Percival MARTIN and Ailsa KELLY around 1970 in Southend. Roger died in 1994 in Sunderland ( Tyne and Wear) and Ailsa died some years before that. They had no children. Roger was I believe born in Guernsey in the late 1930's and was the brother of a line which I am endeavouring to trace. I would like to find out if Ailsa KELLY was from a family from Argyle and any other information which could be relevant. Any assistance which you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ian in Hong Kong

Sorry Jim I am no help to you at all with this one Cheers Ron ________________________________ From: "sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com" <sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com> To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 6:01:54 PM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 31 Today's Topics:   1. Re: Neil Mcpherson Fletcher (Jim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:08:38 +0000 From: Jim <james.odonnell4@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Neil Mcpherson Fletcher To: Ron and Mary Harris <r_harris@sympatico.ca> Cc: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49998F86.8090100@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You don't have a Dougal Fletcher married to a Emily Blair do you her died husband was george Blair came from around Inverary area Dougal was a ships stoker, I dont know the date she married him tho, she was born 1843 died 1926 at 32 McLean Street Govan mother was Margaret MacINTYRE father was James Blair crofter Regards Jim Ron and Mary Harris wrote: > Hello Ron, > > Funny thing - turns out my grandfather actually knew Alexander FLETCHER, his > son Neil and 2 other sons Calum and Alex! Both my parents knew Calum. We are > somehow related, but not sure how - my grandfather's name was Alex FLETCHER > too. I can tell you more later, but around 1913 my grandfather, then aged > 23, was employed at a farm called Cononish near Tyndrum. Your FLETCHERs were > living in the house at Cononish and employed there too. Oddly enough, years > later in the mid 1930s, my grandfather was again employed at Cononish and my > Dad has many happy memories of that place. I had the pleasure of visiting > Cononish and talking with it's present owner this past September. I have > pictures of the house your FLETCHERs (and later mine) lived in. > > Mary Fletcher Harris > Canada > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.234 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1944 - Release Date: 02/10/09 17:44:00 > >  ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-ARGYLL list administrator, send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-ARGYLL mailing list, send an email to SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 31 ***************************************** Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more

2009/2/17 Ron and Mary Harris <r_harris@sympatico.ca> > Hi Ron, > > Hmmm what makes you think they are 2 different FLETCHER families? Is it > because of the change in location? You would be surprised how many places > shepherding families pop up over the years! Dad is pretty convinced that > these are the same FLETCHERs he knew and if they are they were in other > places too, including the island of Jura for a time. Is it because of the > ages? I know Alex FLETCHER would have been 73 by 1913 (when my grandfather > worked with him at Cononish) but in the days before social security of any > kind, people worked until they were no longer fit Up here in Argyll, they still do. I have been census enumerator twice here, in two different parishes, and it was not uncommon to find men of over 70 still working. Some still ran their small farms almost single handedly. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

Hi Ron, Hmmm what makes you think they are 2 different FLETCHER families? Is it because of the change in location? You would be surprised how many places shepherding families pop up over the years! Dad is pretty convinced that these are the same FLETCHERs he knew and if they are they were in other places too, including the island of Jura for a time. Is it because of the ages? I know Alex FLETCHER would have been 73 by 1913 (when my grandfather worked with him at Cononish) but in the days before social security of any kind, people worked until they were no longer fit ... and my grandfather did refer to him as 'the old man' then. His adult children would have been doing the bulk of the work. Do you have any idea of Neil FLETCHER's occupation? Dad believes this Neil was a ship's steward during the pre WW1 period. It may be the same group yet, Ron. What do you think? Mary Fletcher Harris Canada > Hi Mary > Nice to hear from you but i don't think the Alex Fletcher you refer to is > the same one i am chasing. Alexander Fletcher born Abt 1840 his son Neil > Mcpherson > Fletcher Born 1875 Kilcalmonell.as per 1891 census. Cheers for now > > Ron in OZ > > '