Wayne As you suspected, this is an example of the all too common very poor reading of place names. The Census entry actually has Glenscattle as Flora Cameron's birthplace. (You should report this to ancestry.com) This is Glen Scaddle which is just a few miles south of Trislaig. If you have identified Trislaig on the map you should be able to find Inverscaddle to the south where you will see that two rivers, the Scaddle and the Cona, join just before they reach the sea.? Glen Scaddle is of course not an exact address and there are several house in this glen. You will have seen from Flora Beaton/Cameron's death certificate in 1868 that her father was a shepherd which means that they might have lived at any of the points in the glen where there were houses. If you want to see the entry for yourself? try www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (There is a charge.) Look up Flora Cameron in Argyllshire Kilmallie parish. the one you want has the reference 520/22/20. Frank Bigwood -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:01 Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 70 Today's Topics: 1. Where is Glensealth? (Wayne) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Dear List, I was wondering if anyone knows the location of Glensealth (or Glenseall), Argyllsh? According to the 1851 Census a relative, Flora Beaton, was born there. At the time of the Census Flora was living with her husband John Cameron at Trislaig, Kilmallie. The name Glensealth could be misspelled because the Census details that were transcribed on Ancestry.com had several spelling errors. I tried Google using a various spellings but no results. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Wayne

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree about the information that one usually finds, I have found that the information in the certificate is only as good as the Informant; a grieving husband failing to remember who his departed wife's parents were - he gave the names incorrectly - and in the case of a great +4 grandmother whose son didn't know who his grandparents were and the space was left blank. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "lesley" <bbqman@bigpond.net.au> > Hi Ann, > > If your Hugh (aka Ewan) died in 1855 or later then his death would be > listed in the Scottish civil registration. The fantastic thing about the > Scottish certificates is that although they started later than the English > ones, the information included on them is SO much more informative. Hugh's > death certificate will require the names of his parents (including his > mother'smaiden name!!). I have looked at a large muber of Scottish > certifiicates, and I don't think I ever found one that had "unknown" listed > for that question (the Scots were very good at that sort of thing, > thankfully). Even better, the certificate can be purchased and viewed in the > comfort of your own home by visiting the Scottish general Registration > Office site online at > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > It is a wonderful service and (if the certificate exists) will answer > those family mysteries very quickly (it did mine!!)

Hi Ann, If your Hugh (aka Ewan) died in 1855 or later then his death would be listed in the Scottish civil registration. The fantastic thing about the Scottish certificates is that although they started later than the English ones, the information included on them is SO much more informative. Hugh's death certificate will require the names of his parents (including his mother'smaiden name!!). I have looked at a large muber of Scottish certifiicates, and I don't think I ever found one that had "unknown" listed for that question (the Scots were very good at that sort of thing, thankfully). Even better, the certificate can be purchased and viewed in the comfort of your own home by visiting the Scottish general Registration Office site online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is a wonderful service and (if the certificate exists) will answer those family mysteries very quickly (it did mine!!) Good luck Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Archibald Brown, born 1720-1740?. Died in 1795, .probably left Isle of Jura or mainland  Argyll, western Scotland. Married Agnes Drake ? They and son, Andrew  Brown, Sr., daughter Ann (who married William Hughes) arrived in central North Carolina 1765-1780, farmed on Lick  Creek in Chatham County, NC.( now in Lee Co, NC) Andrew Brown, Sr (about 1760-1819) married Mary McLaughlin/McLachlan,     Children of Andrew Brown, Sr & Mary McLaughlin: Nancy (married Abner Harrington) Mary (married Joseph Parham) Elizabeth (married William Wicker) James (married Susannah Higton) Archibald (married Patsy Brewer, 2nd married Rebecca Kelly) William (no marriage listed) Alexander (no marriage listed) Andrew Jr (married Nancy Hinton Minter) Sarah (married Major John Thomas) Matthew Drake ( no marriage listed) Eleanor (married Wesley Thomas)   Children of Andrew Brown Jr & Nancy Hinton Minter (supposedly my great great grandparents)   Eliza Jane (married Richard S. Marks—2nd married Charles G. Harrington) William Lewis John (married Susan McCormick) Mary Antoinette (married Robert Edward Rives, 2nd married Presley John Snipes, 3rd married Larkin Morelin, 4th married _____Harrington) Burwell W, (married Laura H. Cross) Louisa (married Duncan McCormick) Alexander Hinton (married Mary Elizabeth Cross) Alexander served in CSA—Co H, 30th NC Infantry Regiment—wounded at Battle of Kelly’s Ford, Va—POW and was in the “Immortal 600” – Confederate prisoners used by the Yankees as human shields during CSA attacks and bombardment.     Other children of Andrew Brown Jr & Nancy Hinton Minter:   Permelia (married John Campbell)  Anna (married Thomas W. Harrington)   Parents of Nancy Hinton Minter – William Lewis Hinton & Temperance Williams.   In her 1st marriage to Joseph Minter,  Nancy had at least two children…names unknown.   Andrew Brown Jr (1803-1883 had a twin brother named Alexander who seems to just disappear after birth…but there is no record in Chatham Co, NC of his death. I think my GG great grandfather, named Alexander Brown (born about 1825 in NC, died in Lincoln or Drew Co, Ark about 1874) may have been the son of Andrew Brown Jr or his twin, Alexander, but have no proof.    These Browns were related, in Chatham, Moore, Harnett and possibly other NC counties to McCormick, Cross,  McLeod, Wicker, Hinton, Thomas, Marks, Harrington, Lawrence, McLeod, and others.   Bill Brown – Richardson, Texas

Hi Anne, If he is Hugh try search under Ewan/Ewen as it is inter-changable. Perhaps you will find him that way. Irene. At 07:21 19/04/2009, Anne Hilts wrote: >Hello, I just joined--hope this is the right place. >I have an ancestor, Hugh McGregor from Helensburgh---was formerly called >Muleig or the New Town. It is in the parish of Rhu or Row, was in W. >Dunbarton then, now is in Argyll & Bute, Scotland. >Born 7 Oct 1827?

Hello, I just joined--hope this is the right place. I have an ancestor, Hugh McGregor from Helensburgh---was formerly called Muleig or the New Town. It is in the parish of Rhu or Row, was in W. Dunbarton then, now is in Argyll & Bute, Scotland. Born 7 Oct 1827? Died between 1853 AND 1857 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland? Probably spoke Gaelic & probably had red hair. I have his marriage record with Agnes Cross 8 Aug 1847 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland (he was a cabinet maker then and the second of her 3 husbands.) But I cannot find his birth or death record. I would so love to know who his parents were. Please help me find and document them. I did find Hugh in the Lanark? 1851 Census with a wife and 2 children(Jane my ancestor--spoke only Gaelic and had red hair)and Elizabeth plus 3 McAllister stepchildren (David, Edward & Margaret). He stated at that time he was born in Helensburgh. He had 2 more children, John 1852 & Christina 1854. His widow, Agnes, remarried in Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland 1857---Gavin Pollock---and was widowed a third time. Then she had 3 more children--Gavin, William and Agnes. Agnes' first husband was David McAllister whom she married in Barony, Lanark, Scotland 1837. I have her death record from Stirling 1905. Her daughter Christine Nelson or McGregor (can't read the writing) was the informant. She stated Hugh McGregor had been an Ag Labourer. An assortment of Agnes' children from her 3 marriages and their families emigrated to the Pennsylvania USA coal mine towns in about 1882. Thank you, Anne Stratton Hilts, Arizona USA

The rental roll of Maclean of Duart for 1674 marked the turning point in the fortunes of the once-powerful Chief of the Macleans and the Campbells of Argyll. In 1674, Lachlan Maclean of Brolas, acting on behalf of the infant Chief, John Maclean of Duart, entered into an agreement with representatives of the (Campbell) Earl of Argyll whereby the rents of the Duart estates were surrendered to the Earl of Argyll. This was consequent upon the Earl of Argyll gaining legal ownership of the estates by buying up the debts of Maclean of Duart. The estates included all of Tiree and Iona, parts of Coll and Jura, and substantial lands in Mull and Morvern. However the Macleans resisted, and it was not until 1692, some 18 years later, that the then Duke of Argyll was able to take possession of the lands that became known as the Argyll Estate. A full transcript of the 1674 rental roll of Maclean of Duart, by Flo Straker & Louise MacDougall, with a background note by Gene Lamont, is now available for download on the Isle of Tiree Genealogy website at www.tireegenealogy.com. My special thanks to Flo, and to Louise and Gene, for their dedication in producing an outstanding piece of work that makes sense of a complicated and confusing document. It may look simple and straightforward as it is presented on the website, but there are months of work behind it. To download the 1674 rental transcript, go to www.tireegenealogy.com, click on Argyll & Bute Archives, click on Tiree, and then click on FH 216 in the table. ____________________________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia Isle of Tiree Genealogy: www.tireegenealogy.com Isle of Coll Genealogy: www.collgenealogy.com

Congratulations Keith on all your hard work, and that of your transcribers. regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum Keith Dash wrote: >> The rental roll of Maclean of Duart for 1674 marked the turning point >> in the fortunes of the once-powerful Chief of the Macleans and the >> Campbells of Argyll. In 1674, Lachlan Maclean of Brolas, acting on >> behalf of the infant Chief, John Maclean of Duart, entered into an >> agreement with representatives of the (Campbell) Earl of Argyll >> whereby the rents of the Duart estates were surrendered to the Earl >> of Argyll. This was consequent upon the Earl of Argyll gaining legal >> ownership of the estates by buying up the debts of Maclean of >> Duart. The estates included all of Tiree and Iona, parts of Coll and >> Jura, and substantial lands in Mull and Morvern. However the >> Macleans resisted, and it was not until 1692, some 18 years later, >> that the then Duke of Argyll was able to take possession of the lands >> that became known as the Argyll Estate. >> >> A full transcript of the 1674 rental roll of Maclean of Duart, by Flo >> Straker & Louise MacDougall, with a background note by Gene >> Lamont, is now available for download on the Isle of Tiree Genealogy >> website at www.tireegenealogy.com. My special thanks to Flo, and to >> Louise and Gene, for their dedication in producing an outstanding >> piece of work that makes sense of a complicated and confusing >> document. It may look simple and straightforward as it is presented >> on the website, but there are months of work behind it. >> >> To download the 1674 rental transcript, go to www.tireegenealogy.com, >> click on Argyll & Bute Archives, click on Tiree, and then click on FH >> 216 in the table. >> >> >>

Hi Mildred, yes, Mary's right, the ralston site is very good. Jim & Muriel have spent many years photographing gravestones in Kintyre, before they crumbled away (the stones, that is!) Many of the smaller graveyards aren't maintained. If your ancestor died in Southend, he may have been buried at Keil? I was at Kilkerran in Campbeltown a year or so back, and the head attendant there was very helpful. They have their own books with lists of who originally purchased many of the lairs. The old part of Kilkerran had been fenced off and was not being maintained, it's quite hilly in parts, with sudden drops hidden by the long grass. Seems Health & Safety have decreed the slopes to be unsafe for the grasscutters, or something along those lines. But I entered 'at my own risk', if you're up to climbing the fence and don't mind having soggy shoes or trousers, for the grass was a couple of feet high when I was there. And shrubs and trees were growing wild and left unpruned, which made many of the stones difficult to find. Jim was very obliging in sending pics of gravestones I hadn't been able to find on my visit, Kilkerran is quite large and spread out over different levels on a hillside. Happy Hunting! Regards Flo Straker ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 63 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. thompson (Mildred Robson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:50:18 +0100 > From: "Mildred Robson" <mildredrobson@ukonline.co.uk> > Subject: [ARGYLL] thompson > To: <SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6BE8C515FD0A46519B1FAAEF92C68999@5bae9cbdcef34e9> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I am new to this list and hope that someone can assist with my queries set > out below:- > My four times Great Grandfather,Richard Thompson [born 1726] of Tow House, > Henshaw, Haltwhistle, Northumberland and his wife Ann, reportedly moved to > Kilmichael on the Duke of Argyll's estate about 1774. > In Balston's book on John Martin, painter, it states that a granddaughter > named Ann Martin, was born at Kilmichael in 1783. > Richard Thompson died at Kilmichael between 1783 and 1813 when his widow > died at Newcastle upon Tyne. > Balston states that Richard is buried at Campeltown. > I have contacted the Duke of Argyll's office, a few years ago, requesting > information on the > tenancy of Richard Thompson at Kilmichael and if the tenancy passed to one > of sons on > his death, but unfortunately there is no archivist at the castle now and > the > previous archivist has been unable to search for me due to family illness. > Can anyone tell me where in Campeltown Richard would have been buried and > if > records exist of burials. > Another link to this area is my three times Great Grandmother Jane > Thompson, > baptised 24th August 1779 at Southend parish, Argyll,father Jonathon > Thompson, mother Janet Andrew. > Jane married John Elliot in 1803 at > Haltwhistle. > On census and marriage she says she is a native of Keel Collum > Sheel [sic] Argyll. > I can see no reason why Jane Thompson should leave Argyll and move to > Haltwhistle unless there is a family connection to Richard Thompson; I > suspect that Jonathon Thompson is one of Richard Thompson's sons. > One of Jane Elliot's [Thompson] daughters married a grandson of Richard > Thompson, just to add more confusion to the relationship.... > I would be grateful for any information about the Thompson family and > their > time at Kilmichael. > Regards, Mildred Robson > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-ARGYLL list administrator, send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-ARGYLL mailing list, send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 63 > ***************************************** > >

Hi Mildred, Welcome to the list. If you try this brilliant site you may even find a photo of your ancestor's grave. Harold Ralston has the names of momorials beautifully recorded and if you find one then James and Muriel Adam will send you a photo of the grave by email. If your ancestor's grave isn't there I don't know. Kilkerran Graveyard is where my Campbeltown ancestors are buried. >Harold Ralston. >http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/personquery4.php is the page from >which you can search by surname. I think you'll find the site easy to navigate but if not let me know. Try different spellings if you don't succeed at first (eg Thomson as opposed to Thompson). Good luck! Mary

I am new to this list and hope that someone can assist with my queries set out below:- My four times Great Grandfather,Richard Thompson [born 1726] of Tow House, Henshaw, Haltwhistle, Northumberland and his wife Ann, reportedly moved to Kilmichael on the Duke of Argyll's estate about 1774. In Balston's book on John Martin, painter, it states that a granddaughter named Ann Martin, was born at Kilmichael in 1783. Richard Thompson died at Kilmichael between 1783 and 1813 when his widow died at Newcastle upon Tyne. Balston states that Richard is buried at Campeltown. I have contacted the Duke of Argyll's office, a few years ago, requesting information on the tenancy of Richard Thompson at Kilmichael and if the tenancy passed to one of sons on his death, but unfortunately there is no archivist at the castle now and the previous archivist has been unable to search for me due to family illness. Can anyone tell me where in Campeltown Richard would have been buried and if records exist of burials. Another link to this area is my three times Great Grandmother Jane Thompson, baptised 24th August 1779 at Southend parish, Argyll,father Jonathon Thompson, mother Janet Andrew. Jane married John Elliot in 1803 at Haltwhistle. On census and marriage she says she is a native of Keel Collum Sheel [sic] Argyll. I can see no reason why Jane Thompson should leave Argyll and move to Haltwhistle unless there is a family connection to Richard Thompson; I suspect that Jonathon Thompson is one of Richard Thompson's sons. One of Jane Elliot's [Thompson] daughters married a grandson of Richard Thompson, just to add more confusion to the relationship.... I would be grateful for any information about the Thompson family and their time at Kilmichael. Regards, Mildred Robson

Hi Are there any lurkers / posters to the Argyll List who live in the North Argyll area who would be interested in joining a Family History Group meeting here in the Oban Area? I keep meeting folks who are interested in, and working on, their genealogy, not just ancestry from Argyll, but we are one of the few areas not to have a local family history group. So I decided to put out some feelers to find out how many there might be who are interested enough to make setting up a group worthwhile. The idea is to start with meetings to get to know who is doing what, work on each others problems, maybe find somewhere with wifi access for laptops, or a place with computers to use, so we can share the resources we each have found online, as well as bringing together what other research tools there are. Once we have an idea what we are all researching, which parts of the country / globe we are searching in, where the brick walls are and what our interests are in the wider social and political history surrounding our ancestors, then we can invite experts, speakers, etc. There are already good groups covering most of the local Argyll history, it would be good to have people helping with the genealogical issues, as well as the wider historical topics, if thats what we need. I know from some of the online communities how valuable it is to have someone else's perspective on a problem you are working on, and its also really useful to help others, you always learn so much. I also know I have resources here, from magazines etc, which are bound to be useful to others. Each of us must have something to share, even those just starting out have their own experience in work, life etc. Any fellow addicts out there ??? Please email LornFamilyHistory@gmail.com or phone (Oban code) 720223 regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

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Dear List: Researching William McAfee Sr. (or McDuffee) born in Scotland abt. 1777 (probably Islay or Jura) who came to Dunluce Parish, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland about 1794 with a friend John McQuigg. William married Margaret "Martha" Taggart (or Ray) in Co. Antrim abt. 1802. They were Presbyterians and farmers. In one account it was said that they descended from Scots - Covenanters. Their children include: Samuel McAfee b. 1804 who married Grace Stinson and later Susan Gorrell. James McAfee b. 1809 who married Rachel Dinsmore and later, Elizabeth Cherry. John McAffee b. 1815 who married Ellen Dunlap. Sarah McAfee b. 1805 who married John McQuigg Sr. Robert McAfee b. abt. 1823 who never married. William McAfee Jr. b. abt. 1821 who married Rebecca Swigart. Martha Jane McAfee b. 1825 who married David Orr. Mathew McAfee b. abt. 1822 who married Margaret McElhinney. This family* left Ireland in 1838 on the ship "St. Andrew" departing Liverpool, England and arriving at New York City, NY on June 7, 1838. * Sarah (McAfee) McQuigg and husb. John McQuigg left via the same route on the ship "New York" arriving in New York City, NY in July of 1843. The McAfees went to East Union Township, Wayne Co, Ohio (near Orrville and Dalton, Ohio). Sarah & John McQuigg lived near Wooster, Wayne Co, Ohio. I am interested in locating info on William McAfee Sr.'s (or McDuffee) parents and family (siblings, grandparents, etc.) in Islay, Co. Argyll, Scotland. (participant in McDuffie DNA Surname Project) Any info appreciated. Thank you. Jerry A. "Jay" McAfee Hannibal, MO USA _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009

Sheila asked > Does anyone know where Calap, a place in Kilmallie parish, might be? This is probably Callop at GB Grid Ref NM 925 785.  It's south of the Road to the Isles (Fort William to Mallaig] midway between Kinlocheil and Glenfinnan. She should input this NGR, without the spaces, into the Search Box of the OS Get-a-map web-site  http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm Regards Les

Does anyone know where Calap, a place in Kilmallie parish, might be? Sheila in Missouri

Hello All, I have not been active for quite some time. As I am having trouble keeping Updated, I think it is time that I retired the computer ? I would like to say THANK YOU, for the help I have received in the past re the CAMPBELLS in OBAN & DUNSTAffNAGE, Thank You, Herb Petrie

Herb wrote > I have not been active for quite some time. > As I am having trouble keeping Updated, I think it is time that I > retired the computer ? Hope it's only the Computer he retires and that he gets a newer model. Regards Les

----- Original Message ----- From: Sheena Allan To: Argyll Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] John Beaton My father John McCormick Beaton was born on Mull in 1912 but later moved to the mainland, probably between 1918 and 1924. I think the family moved to the Inveraray area and probably lived in Glen Shira. I'm sure my father mentioned going to school at Cladich. Has anyone got any info about that area at that time. I would be very grateful. Sheena Allan Have you contacted the Dalmally Historical Society? regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis