My last words on an interesting topic... Much as I grumble about errors, I use Ancestry.com constantly, have a monthly subscription that I continue to renew, and I rather enjoy the challenge of finding people that are 'hiding' due to mistranscriptions! I would not have a third of the 19th century detail I've got without them. My message was largely that I didn't think Frank was being derogatory toward Harold or other volunteer transcribers :-) Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth > ........I've started so I'll finish - when my fat fingers on this keyboard > get out of the > way - [new laptop].........to share thought we sometimes never know for > sure. I am > saying that sharing provides enlightenment and we cant always be right. > > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk><sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol > 4,Issue 70 > Glensealth > > >> Hi Jill, I heard a virtual comment in another list about the Ancestry >> transcriptions, >> that you have confirmed here in more detail. I would like to say sorry to >> those who >> thought my comment was out of order but I do feel unless we have the >> courage o > > [sorry it took off before I finished!] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release Date: 2/05/2009 2:23 PM

To Les Horn Many thanks for info, addresses including super photo of farm house. regards Bill

I guess transcription errors, although unfortunate, do add to the mystery of researching ancestors. Think of all the hair-pulling and head-scratching we'd miss if records had no errors, and names/places were always correctly entered. It just wouldn't be quite as much fun! The harder your search has been for an ancestor, the bigger your sense of achievement when you finally find them. Hats off to all the unpaid volunteers out there who contribute so much to family history. Flo ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 72

The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to >>> report >>> errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, unlike >>> ppv >>> sites. > > Wrong, Ancestry and SP and others give you the facility to correct > entries. > With respect Jill, have you ever had Ancestry.com actually correct an error you have pointed out to them? I haven't! Having a facility to do so and actually doing it are two very different things :-) I can't speak for Scotlands People, I've not used them enough. Val

No Janet I am not confirming what you said, so please don't mistake me. There are many more mistakes on Ancestry.com. It has nothing to do with expectations because we pay for it, or talking about it more, or being supportive to volunteers. There are simply many more mistakes. FreeCEN does NOT HAVE mistakes like that because the work is done paistakingly and every trascription is checked by two or more people. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Val Burge" <valburge@iinet.net.au>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth This is what I mean; you have confirmed it in what you say. We hear more about the errors in Ancestry than any elsewhere. I think it has to be because people pay for it and expect more as well as being more supportive of volunteers. For the sake of clarification, I was excluding Scotland's People from my comparison. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Burge" <valburge@iinet.net.au> To: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth : The system of checks by a number of people on projects such as FreeCEN means : that transcription errors are minimal and the quality is consistently high. : From what I understand there are no such systems on pay per view sites. : : I have seen absolutely outrageous mistakes on Ancestry.com that could only : have been due to hurried reading and lack of thought. I'm sure that not : everybody that works for them is guilty of such sloppiness, but it is : certainly there. The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to report : errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, unlike ppv : sites. : : You only need to be a member of a few mailing lists to hear a lot about : errors on Ancestry.com. If there are few complaints about volunteer sites I : would say it is because there are far less reasons for complaint. : : Val : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> : To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> : Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:09 PM : Subject: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue : 70 Glensealth : : : > Merely as an observation here, is it possible that those who use : > Ancestry.com are more in touch with each other for the purposes of sharing : > errors, than those who find errors in volunteer projects, FreeCEN, : > FreeBMD and all the other local Family History societies who have : > recruited volunteers. Perhaps its because they pay to use it. : > : > Janet : > : > : > ------------------------------- : > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to : > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the : > quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com : Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 1/05/2009 : 5:52 PM : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release Date: 2/05/2009 2:23 PM

Bill asked > Does anyone know if the name still attaches to a farm or house or might it > have been a small village now disappeared? Often drove the A816 to Oban > for fishing and no interest in ancestors: now cannot drive and stuck in > south of England. Barrichbeyan does still exist. If he had gone off the A816 towards Craobh Haven Marina he would have passed Barrichbeyan on his left. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/452822 > I assume that the Carmichaels were staff or labourers at the Col's "big > house" or farm Barrichbeyan was owned by the Campbells of Craignish http://www.123exp-culture.com/t/03601527607/ It is now a self-catering unit - part of Colin Lyndsey MacDougalls neighbouring Lunga Estate Regards Les

Hi all In Jan 1803, my ggguncle, William Stewart, a tailor, of the "new Galic chaple, Glasgow", married Margaret, daughter of the late John Carmichael of Barrichbayan in the parish of Craignish. A few weeks later on the same OPR page is noted the marriage at Barrichbayan of Lieut-Col John Campbell to the relict of the late Mr Colin Campbell, surgeon. I assume that the Carmichaels were staff or labourers at the Col's "big house" or farm. Does anyone know if the name still attaches to a farm or house or might it have been a small village now disappeared? Often drove the A816 to Oban for fishing and no interest in ancestors: now cannot drive and stuck in south of England. Would love any info. Thanks Bill

The system of checks by a number of people on projects such as FreeCEN means that transcription errors are minimal and the quality is consistently high. >From what I understand there are no such systems on pay per view sites. I have seen absolutely outrageous mistakes on Ancestry.com that could only have been due to hurried reading and lack of thought. I'm sure that not everybody that works for them is guilty of such sloppiness, but it is certainly there. The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to report errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, unlike ppv sites. You only need to be a member of a few mailing lists to hear a lot about errors on Ancestry.com. If there are few complaints about volunteer sites I would say it is because there are far less reasons for complaint. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth > Merely as an observation here, is it possible that those who use > Ancestry.com are more in touch with each other for the purposes of sharing > errors, than those who find errors in volunteer projects, FreeCEN, > FreeBMD and all the other local Family History societies who have > recruited volunteers. Perhaps its because they pay to use it. > > Janet > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 1/05/2009 5:52 PM

Janet wrote: >> ........I've started so I'll finish - when my fat fingers on this >> keyboard get out of the way - [new laptop].........to share thought >> we sometimes never know for sure. I am saying that sharing provides >> enlightenment and we cant always be right. absolutely, it was not out of order at all. We all learn something every day. Ancestry is a necessary evil for those of us limited by geography, economics, and time ;) regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

Val Burge wrote: >> The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to >>>>> report >>>>> errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, >>>>> unlike ppv >>>>> sites. >>> >>> Wrong, Ancestry and SP and others give you the facility to correct >>> entries. >>> >> >> With respect Jill, have you ever had Ancestry.com actually correct >> an error you have pointed out to them? I haven't! Yes - plenty And while you are waiting, there are comment boxes so you can flag up errors to others. regards Jill Bowis www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - Local Producers Market & Business/Community Network www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum

Hi all I note that ITV1 will be showing the first of the new series " Martin Clunes: Islands of Britain" and will feature the island of Eigg/Egg in the Small Isles which was, until 1899, in ARL. Lets hope their geography is better than the preview which states - "He (Martin Clunes) embarks on a tour . . . beginning way up north, with the most northerly islands of them all" - never thought the Small Isles were part of the Shetlands !! Anyway it's at 9pm/21:00 BST today Sunday 3rd May. Regards Les

........I've started so I'll finish - when my fat fingers on this keyboard get out of the way - [new laptop].........to share thought we sometimes never know for sure. I am saying that sharing provides enlightenment and we cant always be right. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk><sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth > Hi Jill, I heard a virtual comment in another list about the Ancestry transcriptions, > that you have confirmed here in more detail. I would like to say sorry to those who > thought my comment was out of order but I do feel unless we have the courage o [sorry it took off before I finished!]

I understood Wayne's comment as a criticism of Ancestry.com transcriptions done by "professional" transcribers, not of census transcribers in general. My own experience of Ancestry.com has also been that there are a lot of errors. Val > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold R" <hralston@wi.rr.com> > To: <wflbigwood@aol.com> > Cc: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 70 Glensealth > > >> Sorry, Frank. >> Some of us who had the time to volunteer on this project just did not >> have your experience with these names. But, believe me, We did the best >> we could. >> You are correct, whenever an error can be corrected it certainly should >> be. >> I just don't think the derogatory remarks are called for. >> Thanks, Harold Ralston >> >> wflbigwood@aol.com wrote: >>> Wayne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 1/05/2009 5:52 PM

Janet wrote: >> This is what I mean; you have confirmed it in what you say. We hear >> more about the errors in Ancestry than any elsewhere. >> I think it has to be because people pay for it and expect more as >> well as being more supportive of volunteers. There ARE more errors, simply because its not done by volunteers. However it is the only way we are all going to see the MASSIVE volume of records online. They are using broad stroke digital means, with foreign contracts for the data, which inherently creates huge numbers of errors. BUT there are now millions of us able to access records that most of us could never have accessed in our lives, and there are millions more archives with the opportunity of getting their contents online, because Ancestry makes money. Many users do not consider who is doing what, sadly, but if getting all the archives we want only is left to volunteers, we would all be very very old before it happened. What is wonderful is that there are lots of volunteers working on the even more obscure papers and records, so filling in more gaps for us all. regards Jill Bowis Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery Seasonal Farm Food http://www.kintaline.co.uk

This is what I mean; you have confirmed it in what you say. We hear more about the errors in Ancestry than any elsewhere. I think it has to be because people pay for it and expect more as well as being more supportive of volunteers. For the sake of clarification, I was excluding Scotland's People from my comparison. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Burge" <valburge@iinet.net.au> To: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk>; <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue 70 Glensealth : The system of checks by a number of people on projects such as FreeCEN means : that transcription errors are minimal and the quality is consistently high. : From what I understand there are no such systems on pay per view sites. : : I have seen absolutely outrageous mistakes on Ancestry.com that could only : have been due to hurried reading and lack of thought. I'm sure that not : everybody that works for them is guilty of such sloppiness, but it is : certainly there. The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to report : errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, unlike ppv : sites. : : You only need to be a member of a few mailing lists to hear a lot about : errors on Ancestry.com. If there are few complaints about volunteer sites I : would say it is because there are far less reasons for complaint. : : Val : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> : To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> : Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:09 PM : Subject: [ARGYLL] Transcription errors. Re: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4,Issue : 70 Glensealth : : : > Merely as an observation here, is it possible that those who use : > Ancestry.com are more in touch with each other for the purposes of sharing : > errors, than those who find errors in volunteer projects, FreeCEN, : > FreeBMD and all the other local Family History societies who have : > recruited volunteers. Perhaps its because they pay to use it. : > : > Janet : > : > : > ------------------------------- : > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to : > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the : > quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com : Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 1/05/2009 : 5:52 PM :

Maybe an index or dictionary of place names and Scottish surnames might come in handy with the mis-spelling that occurs on different websites. Sandy (Tasmania) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold R" <hralston@wi.rr.com> To: <wflbigwood@aol.com> Cc: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 70 Glensealth > Sorry, Frank. > Some of us who had the time to volunteer on this project just did not > have your experience with these names. But, believe me, We did the best > we could. > You are correct, whenever an error can be corrected it certainly should > be. > I just don't think the derogatory remarks are called for. > Thanks, Harold Ralston > > wflbigwood@aol.com wrote: >> Wayne

Val Burge wrote: >> I have seen absolutely outrageous mistakes on Ancestry.com that >> could only >> have been due to hurried reading and lack of thought. Its electronic transcribing, as well as folks who are reading the scans, who's language is not English who are transcribing. The Ancestry site is not made up of local historians or genealogists. Its purely commercial. The transcriptions are farmed out. The mistakes are across the board, but it does save money in being able to reduce ones likely choices, and remove some people from the searches when one goes to SP where one has to pay for their higher quality transcriptions, but far too general searches. I'm sure that >> not >> everybody that works for them is guilty of such sloppiness, but it is >> certainly there. The volunteer sites also happily ask the public to >> report >> errors, and correct them as soon as they are advised of them, unlike >> ppv >> sites. Wrong, Ancestry and SP and others give you the facility to correct entries. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Janet wrote: >> Merely as an observation here, is it possible that those who use >> Ancestry.com are more in touch with each other for the purposes of >> sharing errors, than those who find errors in volunteer projects, >> FreeCEN, FreeBMD and all the other local Family History societies >> who have recruited volunteers. Perhaps its because they pay to use >> it. >> >> Janet >> >> For me its just that Ancestry is a useful first step -- its errors are reknowned, legendary, and its not a service with high quality built in. They are slowly correcting any that are reported to them. The FreeXXX projects start from a premise of hte highest quality. They are also correcting mistakes as they are reported. I have never been in touch with others using either groups or sites to make corrections. But would think that most folks use most of the resources pretty equally. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Merely as an observation here, is it possible that those who use Ancestry.com are more in touch with each other for the purposes of sharing errors, than those who find errors in volunteer projects, FreeCEN, FreeBMD and all the other local Family History societies who have recruited volunteers. Perhaps its because they pay to use it. Janet

Sorry, Frank. Some of us who had the time to volunteer on this project just did not have your experience with these names. But, believe me, We did the best we could. You are correct, whenever an error can be corrected it certainly should be. I just don't think the derogatory remarks are called for. Thanks, Harold Ralston wflbigwood@aol.com wrote: > Wayne > > > > As you suspected, this is an example of the all too common very poor reading of place names. The Census entry actually has Glenscattle as Flora Cameron's birthplace. (You should report this to ancestry.com) This is Glen Scaddle which is just a few miles south of Trislaig. If you have identified Trislaig on the map you should be able to find Inverscaddle to the south where you will see that two rivers, the Scaddle and the Cona, join just before they reach the sea.? Glen Scaddle is of course not an exact address and there are several house in this glen. You will have seen from Flora Beaton/Cameron's death certificate in 1868 that her father was a shepherd which means that they might have lived at any of the points in the glen where there were houses. If you want to see the entry > for yourself? try www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (There is a charge.) Look > up Flora Cameron in Argyllshire Kilmallie parish. the one you want has > the reference 520/22/20. > > Frank Bigwood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com > > To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:01 > > Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 70 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Where is Glensealth? (Wayne) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >