A recent new feature in google is a Timeline. This throws up finds from all sorts of documents and books and such. beware -- a serious time eater. so many scrummy resources, put in your place of interest and see what comes up. Instructions given from another group Do the usual Google web search. When the results page comes up, you should also get a "show options" link top left of the page. Click on that, and then timeline at the bottom of the options. In many places, where it referred to a Google-scanned book that they didn't give full access to, could find the same book in full from a different depositer on the Internet Archive regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Yes, very true. I am "lurking" rather than posting almost all the time since I have had no luck with clues about my Hugh McGregor b Helensburgh 1827. Record of his marriage to Agnes Cross and children in censuses but no birth; no death. I look in Dumbarton since that was the name of the County when he was born. But also I look in Argyll since Helensburgh is there now. But I really find the posts here interesting --and learn a lot. I look at other peoples' trees on line to see if they have my missing ancestors listed. Then I try to see if they are documented. Usually they are not, either documented but no citation, or they are just copied from someone else or just guesses because someone had the same name. No way to tell the difference. Sigh. My husband & I recently joined Ancestry.com deluxe to include US & UK, and we posted a public tree under Stratton Family Tree. I added some people without checking for documentation. When "hints" come up I copy them unless I know they are wrong. Planning to check later. Best to all, Anne in AZ (USA) -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:00 PM To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Google timeline Jill: I always think its worth while sharing; searching experiences bearing in mind that criteria changes and its worth trying again. I agree also the "show options" link might cause an expectation that is worth a caution. It doesn't block all the negative links we might find having clicked on that "show options" as if being led to something else is a positive excitement to information we want to find and see. Not necessarily so as others will agree with what they have experienced and found. I think we need to heed what our fellow hobbyists find. I really do think that for as much as websites might appear user friendly we should treat them with the same caution as we treat Family Search,that it might be a useful start for our searches. For the same reasons, always pursing better and more reliable record of what we are pursuing Has to be the best record we require for inserting into our GEDCOM which requires source records each year of our searches against the name of the individual. Maybe something I have said has caused someone to question what they are doing in a positive way. I think its worthwhile if we share information and how to record and substantiate the source of that record. I am willing to help where I can but I know there are people like Gill who are well able to do so also. In any event its what the hobby genealogy is all about that we join forces to help others where we can. As an example Les Horn found my Gt grandfather working as a Butler away from his birth place, and with the aid of Ancestry I was able to trace his footsteps and his finding my Gt grandmother working away from her birth place in Mull to up to the date of their marriage and stabilised marriage to be able to raise a family together to support my records, which is well worth it. Its the quality information such as this which is so worthwhile rather than finding a gap in time to the date of death without realising how they ended their last years. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hardy Plants" <farm@kintaline.co.uk> > > A recent new feature in google is a Timeline. > This throws up finds from all sorts of documents and books and such. > > beware -- a serious time eater. so many scrummy resources, put in your place > of interest and see what comes up. > > Instructions given from another group > Do the usual Google web search. When the results page comes up, you should > also get a "show options" link top left of the page. Click on that, and then > timeline at the bottom of the options. > In many places, where it referred to a Google-scanned book that they didn't > give full access to, could find the same book in full from a different > depositer on the Internet Archive ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Forwarded Message ----- Please respond directly to list or ... From: Ross Macpherson <rossmacpherson@optusnet.com.au> To: SCT-ARGYLL-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Macpherson/Mcpherson - Argyle, Kilchattan, Isle of Luing Looking for any details of a the following Macphersons/Mcphersons: Donald Mcpherson (born approx 1787) - recorded on 1861 census at Oban Seil F No 2. married Margaret Graham. Parents of Donald was a John Macpherson/Mcpherson and Catherine McVicar (no details known). Donald and Margaret had 4 kids - Alexander, Margaret, Susan and John. Alexander Macpherson married Madelina Campbell in 1866. They are recorded in the 1871 Cenus at "Store Keepers House" Argyle Kilchattan. They had kids Alexander, Donald. Charlotte and Angus. This Alexander is my Great Grandfather and he recalls growing up on the Isle of Luing before moving to Oban. Thanks Ross Macpherson

Thank you again Les I have found the marriage. It is listed as between McDonald and McDonald which explains why I could not find it. Ann Mcdonald, 20 of Langall daughter of John McDonald Crofter and Mary McPherson Ronald Mcdonald, 25 of Dalilea son of John McDonald Gamekeeper and Flora McDonald nee McDonald married by Charles McDonald 23/02/1870. Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Maddocks" <listenat@talktalk.net> To: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; "Argyll Rootsweb" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Moidart Catholics

Wes, Thank you. It is very difficult to do research from across the pond, when you have no idea where these places are. In a message dated 6/10/2009 9:04:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hevhdvm@aol.com writes: It's about 17 miles by road. Killean is halfway up the west coast of kintyre from Campbeltown (at nearly the south end). I've sent you a google map on your email. Wes Wesley M. Taylor DVM Taylor Veterinary Services PC McKinney, TX 214-726-0838 hevhdvm@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: JHuber9376@aol.com To: SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [ARGYLL] Searching for James BOYD b. 1849 Hello Listers, I am trying to find the birth record for James Boyd who was born in Southend Argyllshire Scotland about 1849. I think I have found him in the 1871 census in Killean, working as an Ag Lab. age 22 . I also have a Statutory Marriage record for James BOYD and Mary MCGHEE showing his parents to be James BOYD, and Margaret BOYD, maiden surname BOYD. I am pretty sure this is the correct James BOYD. However, on the 1871 Census taken in April that James is unmarried. How far is Killean from Campbeltown or Southend.? I only get 2 hits for BOYD on SP between 1840 and 1850 and neither match the parents. I understand that the Registers for the Roman Catholic Church were not indexed. Was there a Catholic Church in Southend in 1849 and is it still there? I have a copy of a birth record for James BOYD b 11/04/1849 parents: James BOYD/Janet MCMillen. Will gladly send to the correct family. Can anyone help? Thanks, Jo-Anne Huber Washington USA ANESFHS #16407 **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000 04) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

I spent a while there last week looking for any sign of a Catholic church or burial ground. I would not have found the island in several years. Thank you Les; this gives me an excuse to return, Nearest I got was the pier at Acharacle. I also spent some time on Scotlands People looking for the marriage; census has Ronald and Ann as Juliet's parents although she is sometimes called Julia. Her birth was April 1884 at Dalilea. Parents were both Macdonalds and they were married in 1870; she was their ninth or tenth child; I believe that they had fifteen children altogether. Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Argyll Rootsweb" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Moidart Catholics > Philip asked > >> Does anyone know where would Roman Catholics who lived in Moidart be >> buried > > Roman Catholics from Moidart, Inverness-shire - a principally RC area - > were buried on Eilean Fhianain / the Green Isle in Loch Sheil. Loch > and River Shiel divides the Argyll and Inverness-shire parts of the > Argyll Parish of Ardnamurchan > > GB Grid Ref NM752682 > http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm > > Regards > Les > ========================== > Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - > http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net > ========================== >

Philip asked > Does anyone know where would Roman Catholics who lived in Moidart be > buried Roman Catholics from Moidart, Inverness-shire - a principally RC area - were buried on Eilean Fhianain / the Green Isle in Loch Sheil. Loch and River Shiel divides the Argyll and Inverness-shire parts of the Argyll Parish of Ardnamurchan GB Grid Ref NM752682 http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

Does anyone know where would Roman Catholics who lived in Moidart have been buried? I am looking for information on Ronald MacDonald listed on his daughter (Juliet's) marriage certificate as Gamekeeper - retired. She was in domestic service in Cambridgeshire at the time of her marriage. Thank you Philip Maddocks

Hi Jean and Iain, Wow - how have I managed to research on Gigha for so long and not realised all those Galbreaths were Mc Vretnys? Thanks, Mary

Hi Cathy, I think that was me, and this was my original query - In the Ancestry 1851 census, I have Archibald Whyte (should be Whiteford) living at Clachan, Rasay (sic) who is recorded as being born at "Kr Kassan, Argyllshire". In the Ancestry 1861 census, I have him (actually transcribed this time as Archibald Whiteford!) living at Fearns, Raasay and this time his place of birth is recorded as "MacHermon, Argyllshire". Any help you can offer would be very much appreciated. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Wagner Sent: Wednesday, 10 June 2009 1:29 PM To: SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARGYLL] Name places Sometime ago some one was looking for a name place, where it was, what people knew about it, I couldnt find my book at the time, if you want me to look it up for you now I have found it and will glady look it up for you, it is just Argyle I believe Cathy

mc Vretny mc Ilvrettny Mc Vretiny Hi List, Does anyone know what the above name would translate as in the present day? It was written so in 1685. Thanks, Mary

Dear Listers I am tracing the family of Alexander McPHERSON and his wife Janet McPHERSON who lived in Lismore for a number of years (from at least 1851 to 1901). Alexander and Janet were both born on Carna. Alexander's parents were Donald McPHERSON and Mary McLEAN. Janet's parents were William McPHERSON and Sarah CAMERON. Alexander and Janet had the following children: (birth dates not all exact): Mary 1841, Ann 1841 Flora 1843 James 1845 Jane 1848 Angus 1851 Sarah 1853 Donald 1855 William 1858 John 1860 In 1851 the family lived in Lismore but l can't read the place name. It might start with So and ends with ry. Unfortunately the writing is very faint on the Scotlands People image. Through 1861-1881 they were at Crofts, Kingairloch. Alexander died in 1877, his wife Janet in 1889. Their daughter Flora remained at Crofts and was there when the 1891 census was taken with her two sons Hugh McColl (1870) and Robert McLean (1867). The boys were both illegitimate and possibly given the names of their fathers. Flora's sister Ann also appears to have had an illegitimate son called John McLachlan (1868). The last sighting l have of Flora and her sons is in the 1901 census when they stayed at South Cuiry? Does anyone know what this name should be? The neighbours in the census on either side lived at Gardel Cottage and Glensanda. Does the name Crofts mean they lived on a croft or was it a place name? Any information about this family or the places they stayed would be much appreciated. Best wishes Cathy Logan.

It's about 17 miles by road. Killean is halfway up the west coast of kintyre from Campbeltown (at nearly the south end). I've sent you a google map on your email. Wes Wesley M. Taylor DVM Taylor Veterinary Services PC McKinney, TX 214-726-0838 hevhdvm@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: JHuber9376@aol.com To: SCT-ARGYLL@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [ARGYLL] Searching for James BOYD b. 1849 Hello Listers, I am trying to find the birth record for James Boyd who was born in Southend Argyllshire Scotland about 1849. I think I have found him in the 1871 census in Killean, working as an Ag Lab. age 22 . I also have a Statutory Marriage record for James BOYD and Mary MCGHEE showing his parents to be James BOYD, and Margaret BOYD, maiden surname BOYD. I am pretty sure this is the correct James BOYD. However, on the 1871 Census taken in April that James is unmarried. How far is Killean from Campbeltown or Southend.? I only get 2 hits for BOYD on SP between 1840 and 1850 and neither match the parents. I understand that the Registers for the Roman Catholic Church were not indexed. Was there a Catholic Church in Southend in 1849 and is it still there? I have a copy of a birth record for James BOYD b 11/04/1849 parents: James BOYD/Janet MCMillen. Will gladly send to the correct family. Can anyone help? Thanks, Jo-Anne Huber Washington USA ANESFHS #16407 **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Sometime ago some one was looking for a name place, where it was, what people knew about it, I couldnt find my book at the time, if you want me to look it up for you now I have found it and will glady look it up for you, it is just Argyle I believe Cathy

Hello Listers, I am trying to find the birth record for James Boyd who was born in Southend Argyllshire Scotland about 1849. I think I have found him in the 1871 census in Killean, working as an Ag Lab. age 22 . I also have a Statutory Marriage record for James BOYD and Mary MCGHEE showing his parents to be James BOYD, and Margaret BOYD, maiden surname BOYD. I am pretty sure this is the correct James BOYD. However, on the 1871 Census taken in April that James is unmarried. How far is Killean from Campbeltown or Southend.? I only get 2 hits for BOYD on SP between 1840 and 1850 and neither match the parents. I understand that the Registers for the Roman Catholic Church were not indexed. Was there a Catholic Church in Southend in 1849 and is it still there? I have a copy of a birth record for James BOYD b 11/04/1849 parents: James BOYD/Janet MCMillen. Will gladly send to the correct family. Can anyone help? Thanks, Jo-Anne Huber Washington USA ANESFHS #16407 **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

Hi I wonder if anyone out there is related to the following family. Would like to know if the daughter Catherine 1793 is my gggx great grandmother who married John McMillan date unknown.They had children, Janet 1814, Angus 1818, Dugal 1819 and possibly John 1820 all Fort William. John McMillan in the 1841 census only,but not Catherine, death dates unknown Alexander Cameron and Janet Cameron, both born Fort William, married 1778 Kilmallie. Ewen 1789, Jessie 1791, Ann 1792, Catherine 1793, Janet 1795, Angus 1796, Samuel 1798, Neil 1799. All born Fort William. This information id from the IGI and is a Patrons submission. Any help in tracing this difficult lady most appreciated. Margaret NZ

Is anyone out there researching a Gilbert Mac/McIntyre who was born around 1777? Probably in Glenorchy. I know for sure that mine married Flory Mac/McCallum in Ardchattan in 1802. They had Donald, Archibald, Catherine, Archibald, and Isable. All this came from an elderly auntie and was verified by OPRs. But then things get hairy. The 1841 census report in Black Crofts (where my gran herself was born) has Gilbert, 70, Bell, 20, Ann, 15, Catherine, 14, Mary McKenzie, 25, all at the same residence along with kids Flora McKenzie and Donald McKenzie (as you recall, 1841 doesn't give relationships). I've tracked Mary, and she was Mary MacIntyre, married to Donald McKenzie, and these were her first two kids, aptly named. BUT the only possible Mary MacIntyre in that time period was born to Gilbert MacIntyre and Ann Connel in Lismore parish, the next parish over. Also, the only possible parents for Ann were Gilbert MacIntyre and Ann Connel. There also seems to have been a son, Malcom. At first I figured this was a second marriage for Gilbert, but that doesn't work out, as the births overlap for several years. No mentions in the OPR of the Lismore kids being illegitimate. So I'm figuring there were two Gilbert MacIntyre families. But how to sort them out? Any ideas out there? Sheila in Missouri

Hi all, is there anywhere that I could search MI's for Kilmelfort. My ancestor died in Oban and according to a newspaper report he was 'buried with kindred dust in the Churchyard at Kilmelfort' He died in Feb 1859 apparently at the age of 94 Kind regards Liz Langmann South Africa

Liz asked > is there anywhere that I could search MI's for Kilmelfort. My ancestor > died in Oban and according to a newspaper report he was 'buried with > kindred dust in the Churchyard at Kilmelfort' He died in Feb 1859 > apparently at the age of 94. I have a copy of Stewart Campbell's Index to the old Cemetary at Kilninver. Could she please give details of whom she's looking for. Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================