John asked > I'm seeking information on a Munro family property and its present owners > at Fort William. The ancestors of these folk were connected to some > Sinclairs who went to South Australia in 1839 on the Palmyra. Any > information on this Fort William property and its current owners would be > greatly appreciated. I'm afraid he would need to be a bit more precise as to the property concerned. In 1841 there were only 5 MUNROs in Fort William : (widow) Sarah MUNRO (50) + Margaret (20) and Alexander (13) in the 2nd row, Low St., Fort William - long demolished Peter MUNRO (44) Independant on the low side of Main St., Fort William. He was staying with his brother-in-law Alex MELROSE and 3 of his, Alex's, 4 children. Alex was the widower of Jessie MUNRO. John MUNRO (55) Woolen Hand Loom Weaver - on the low side of Main St., Fort William Main St (now High St) numbers from 1 to 155 consisting of shops/offices with flats/apartments above them. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11466473 and http://tinyurl.com/m6tq3o What is the connection with the SINCLAIRs who emigrated on the PALMYRA in 1839 none of whom, as far as I know, came from Fort William. The only SINCLAIR in Fort William in 1841 was Archibald (30) Procurator Fiscal born Inverness-shire. Regards Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n e-mail - landnafhg@fsmail.net ==========================

Thanks to Les for stirring the memory buds of this significant event for so many descendants. I am interested to know if anyone has any genealogy on Donald LIVINGSTONE, age 18y, credited with escaping with the STEWART Banner after Culloden. I have read that he died at Savary, Morven age 88y. Savary, Morven is where my gt gt grandfather Adam LIVINGSTONE was the Miller in the early 1800s. Adam's daughter Ann LIVINGSTONE emigrated to Australia under the HIES in 1854. I can only assume there is a possible connection. Does anyone know of any family of Donald LIVINGSTONE of Culloden? Regards Daryl Povey At 05:01 PM 1/07/2009, you wrote: >Hi all >Thought you might appreciate this extract from the BBC News site : >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8116431.stm > >Regards >Les

John McIntyre. wrote: >> Hi All, >> I'm seeking information on a Munro family property and its >> present owners at Fort William. The ancestors of these folk were >> connected to some Sinclairs who went to South Australia in 1839 on >> the Palmyra. Any information on this Fort William property and its >> current owners would be greatly appreciated. >> Fort William has over 10 thousand people. I suspect you may have to be a bit more specific. What do you want to know about the place? If you know its address, simply write to it, the folks will either respond or not. If not, then you have to respect their privacy. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - One Place Study on Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.bowis.co.uk - all our family trees and a One Name Study on Bowis

Hi All, I'm seeking information on a Munro family property and its present owners at Fort William. The ancestors of these folk were connected to some Sinclairs who went to South Australia in 1839 on the Palmyra. Any information on this Fort William property and its current owners would be greatly appreciated. With thanks, John McIntyre.

260 years still feels like a short time for people with long memories... There's a lot of descendants of exiles out here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Argyll Rootsweb" <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] HM Queen Elizabeth's visit to Culloden Blank Hi all Thought you might appreciate this extract from the BBC News site : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8116431.stm Regards Les =================== Queen visit is Culloden 'first' The Queen has visited Culloden Battlefield . . . in the Highlands. She became the first British monarch to set foot on the battlefield - the site of the Jacobite defeat of 1746. Archaeologist and Culloden expert Dr Tony Pollard said her visit was a "landmark" event in the history of the site. Culloden was the last battle fought on British soil. IT brought an end to a major military campaign by Charles Edward Stuart - Bonnie Prince Charlie - to claim the British throne. June 1746 was a key time in the hunt for the prince and saw him aided by Flora Macdonald. She famously took him to Portree on Skye while he was disguised in women's clothing and pretending to be an Irish maiden by the name of Betty Burke. MacDonald was later arrested and sent to the Tower of London. Eventually, at Loch nan Uamh near Arisaig, two French vessels L'Heureux and Le Prince Conti and their crews reached Prince Charlie and he was taken to France. The Queen will be given a tour of Culloden Battlefield Visitor Centre, which opened in December 2007. Its owners the National Trust for Scotland (NTS) spent £9.5m constructing and fitting out the building and restoring the battlefield. Dr Pollard, of the University of Glasgow's Centre for Battlefield Archaeology, said: "The Queen's visit is an important landmark for the history of Culloden battlefield. The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath "Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of James VII and II who was deposed in 1688, and the Duke of Cumberland, second son of George II, were both present during the battle, leading the opposing armies. "The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath and represents a welcome contribution to long healing process which has followed the events of 16 April 1746." He added: "The visit is also a recognition of the first class status of the National Trust Visitor Centre and battlefield site which is an international flagship for the public presentation of historic battlefields." =================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.13.0/2210 - Release Date: 30/06/2009 6:10 AM

Thanks, Les, for the note on the visit..... It's particularly interesting to those of us in NC, as Flora McD was one of our early Scottish settlers. Bill (McEachern and McKellar)

A Queen of German descent, shown around by an ENGLISHMAN!!! The ghosts were out and about that night!!! Eileen >Queen visit is Culloden 'first' >Dr Pollard, of the University of Glasgow's Centre for Battlefield Archaeology, said: "The Queen's visit is an important landmark for the history of Culloden battlefield. The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath "Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of James VII and II who was deposed in 1688, and the Duke of Cumberland, second son of George II, were both present during the battle, leading the opposing armies. "The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath and represents a welcome contribution to long healing process which has followed the events of 16 April 1746."

Blank Hi all Thought you might appreciate this extract from the BBC News site : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8116431.stm Regards Les =================== Queen visit is Culloden 'first' The Queen has visited Culloden Battlefield . . . in the Highlands. She became the first British monarch to set foot on the battlefield - the site of the Jacobite defeat of 1746. Archaeologist and Culloden expert Dr Tony Pollard said her visit was a "landmark" event in the history of the site. Culloden was the last battle fought on British soil. IT brought an end to a major military campaign by Charles Edward Stuart - Bonnie Prince Charlie - to claim the British throne. June 1746 was a key time in the hunt for the prince and saw him aided by Flora Macdonald. She famously took him to Portree on Skye while he was disguised in women's clothing and pretending to be an Irish maiden by the name of Betty Burke. MacDonald was later arrested and sent to the Tower of London. Eventually, at Loch nan Uamh near Arisaig, two French vessels L'Heureux and Le Prince Conti and their crews reached Prince Charlie and he was taken to France. The Queen will be given a tour of Culloden Battlefield Visitor Centre, which opened in December 2007. Its owners the National Trust for Scotland (NTS) spent £9.5m constructing and fitting out the building and restoring the battlefield. Dr Pollard, of the University of Glasgow's Centre for Battlefield Archaeology, said: "The Queen's visit is an important landmark for the history of Culloden battlefield. The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath "Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of James VII and II who was deposed in 1688, and the Duke of Cumberland, second son of George II, were both present during the battle, leading the opposing armies. "The visit should be regarded as an honour to all of those who died in the battle and its aftermath and represents a welcome contribution to long healing process which has followed the events of 16 April 1746." He added: "The visit is also a recognition of the first class status of the National Trust Visitor Centre and battlefield site which is an international flagship for the public presentation of historic battlefields." ===================

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> > An extract in any Scottish legal document means a copy (usually of a > judgement in a court > or of any document entered in an official register)made for the use of > interested parties. > A fee would normally be charged. In this case there would be a copy for > the married couple > which was not asked for. > > Frank Bigwood > Thanks so much for your explanation. As always a helpful and knowledgable reply from the great support team at sct-argyll !! Thanks Lesley Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > >

Hi all, I'm sure someone will be able to understand the meaning of the above which was added to an entry in the OPR for a marriage that took place in Glassary in 1827. The entry reads " Peter McNeil Glassary to Jean Sinclair S Knapdale - married 2[0]th July by Mr Rankin without (and this was hard to decipher) extracts". It appears to be the only such entry on the page. On the left hand side of the page were a number of columns, the first headed Booked (?) under which was a date, and next to that a column headed Extracted, under which was a second date (usually around 10 days after the Booked date). On the extreme right hand side were figures (I presume what was paid for the service). Would be most appreciative of any assistance regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Thanks to Les Horn for bringing the website and the availability of the Scottish Record Society publications to our attention. The availability of the SRS publications on-line is certainly to be welcomed as it is almost impossible to acquire copies of these books. However, those who use the Commissariot volumes, especially those of Argyll and The Isles, should be aware: a) that the names given in these indexes are not necessarily the same as those used on the Scotlandspeople website. They should not be surprised if, when they use a name from them in the Testaments section of that website, they are told that the document has not been found. The indexing of the testaments on Scotlandspeople is very poor and the use of the soundex and alternative names buttons very often does not help to find testaments even when one knows that they exist.. b) that these Commissariot indexes are full of errors, mainly errors in reading the original documents. Many of these are not fatal but a number are very misleading:[On page 1 the very first place name should not be 'Andgatrymore' but 'Ardgatrymore'; 'Strontian' should be 'Stronfian'; 'Mejmore' should be 'Meymore' (Maymore); 'Bellochinduean' should be 'Bellochindrean' (the same place occurs further down the page correctly transcribed although the spelling is different); on page 2? in the 2nd line, and again further down the page, has 'Reunstoun' which should be 'Keunstoun' (Kewnstown); 'McVaatar' in the 4th line should be McVaxter; 'Stralaig' in the 6th line should be 'Stialaig'; in the 27th line 'Portindrewsie' should be 'Portindrenzie' (Portindryen) and three lines further "Braick, Robert in Rigg, in Lephinmoir" should read "Braickinrigg (ie Breckenridge), Robert in Lephinmoir". A few lines further on we have 'Trairstane' which is 'Troustoune' in the original and the magnificent name 'Jelighrachun' which is actually Ichghrachim (ie Ichrachan). Page 3 has a very common error where a final 'e' is read as an 'o' - "Fernado or Ternado" which is actually 'Ternade' (Ternate) and so it continues on every page]; c) that these indexes are only to the Registers of Testaments (and of Inventories) and do not necessarily record the names of many people for whom the court appointed executors. In the Commissary Court of the Isles? there are actually more additional names in the other Commissary Court papers in the National Archives of Scotland than are to be found in the Registers of Testaments. Frank Bigwood -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 8:01 Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 100 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Scottish Record Society (Les Horn) ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

I'm sure someone will be able to understand the meaning of (extracts) which was added to an entry in the OPR for a marriage that took place in Glassary in 1827. An extract in any Scottish legal document means a copy (usually of a judgement in a court or of any document entered in an official register)made for the use of interested parties. A fee would normally be charged. In this case there would be a copy for the married couple which was not asked for. Frank Bigwood -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 8:01 Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 102 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Free Scotlands People Vouchers (Jackie Thorpe) 2. Re: Free Scotlands People Vouchers (Paul Crewe) 3. vouchers (MARGARET KIPP) 4. Re: Glasgow census. (Jill) 5. Meaning of "Without Extracts" in OPR Marriage entry (Lesley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

2009/6/26 John McIntyre. <jsmci@bigpond.net.au> > Hi Jill, > Thank you very much for that. I've not used paid sites in the past > as I don't like entering card details on the Net! I may have to revise that > policy!! > > Thanks again, > John. > sorry for my tardiness, but have had no email for 36 hours -- ahhhh, first time in years and years. I hope you availed yourself of the Heralds free credits and found some goodies. I now use online shopping and online services a lot, and if you are careful, have good safety features up to date at all times on your computer its pretty safe. To be honest, I think that more people have problems with their cards in ATM machines than online, as long as they do not do anything stupid. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre www.lorn.org.uk Local Origins Rural Network - bringing local produce to the community

And I second that! Paul -----Original Message----- From: sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-argyll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Thorpe Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 5:59 PM To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Free Scotlands People Vouchers THANK YOU for the voucher info!!!! Jackie

thank you!  

THANK YOU for the voucher info!!!! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-argyll-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101

Kindest Regards Kristina Cameron (NZ) > Hi researchers > > > > In yesterday's Glasgow Herald supplement there was a section about > 'Homecoming Scotland 2009'. > > In it there was reference to free 20 units in 'Scotlandspeople'. > > Log in as normal and go to section buy more, scroll down past the normal > 'select number of units' box and in the voucher box type in heraldmag. > > You must register by 1pm on Saturday 27th and the credits are valid for > 90 days. > > > > > > Alan > > > >

Thank you Kristina and Alan too! Sheila Cameron

Hi John, You can search in the free census (transcribed by volunteers) http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl which has both 1841 and 1851 for Glasgow. I had a quick look and there are a couple of possible Donalds and three Margarets. No Philips and I didn't try Jean/Jane. If you look yourself you may be able to work out which might fit your family. Best wishes, Mary (in Perth WA)