Forwarded by List Admin. Please contact Bill Caudill directly (do not use your "reply to" function) at bill@sapc.edu OR bagpipe@sapc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Caudill, Bill <bill@sapc.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Scottish Heritage Symposium in North Carolina March 22-24, 2002 Annual Scottish Heritage Symposium and Awards Banquet St. Andrews Presbyterian College Laurinburg, North Carolina March 22-24, 2002 I will gladly send registration materials to anyone who requests them. They may contact me at: bill@sapc.edu or by phone at (910)277-5236. The 13th "Our Scottish Heritage" Sympopsium and 12th Annual Scottish Heritage Awards Banquet will be held on the weekend of March 22-24 at the St. Andrews Presbyterian College campus in Laurinburg, NC. This event has been deemed "the best symposium of its type in the United States" by one publication. We invite anyone interested in Scottish heritage to attend and participate. We are especially delighted to welcome DR. DUANE MEYER - author of THE HIGHLAND SCOTS OF NORTH CAROLINA 1732-1776, which is THE work on Highland Scots in North Carolina. We hope that you will join us in welcoming the man who kicked off much of our academic research and interests in North Carolina's Scottish heritage in his first work- related return to North Carolina since his work was first published by UNC Press in 1961! The symposium begins on Friday afternoon, March 22. Registration includes all symposium lectures, dinner on Friday night as well as lunch on Saturday and free admission to the concert by "OFF KILTER" - the fantastic Scottish folk/rock band from Florida (direct from Epcot Center). Separate registration is required for the Scottish Heritage Awards Banquet on Saturday night. That event begins at 6 p.m. with a reception featuring samplings of at least 8 different single malt whiskies (worth the price of admission in itself!!). A brief rundown of the symposium speakers and award honorees: Dr. Alexander Murdoch - University of Edinburgh "Meyer After the Millennium - An Historian's Perspective on the Highland Scots of North Carolina in the 18th Century" This topic will address research on North Carolina Scots following the first scholarly work on the topic released by Dr. Duane Meyer in 1961. Murdoch was for 6 years the NC Department of Cultural Resources employee involved in cataloging primary source materials related to North Carolina in ALL of the private and public archives in Scotland. You won't find a more knowledgeable person on primary sources relating to North Carolina in Scotland! Dr. John Batty - retired, National Trust for Scotland "Relics of the Era of the '45" This topic will address weaponry and personal items which were common during the mid-18th century, including items which may have been brought to America by Scottish emigrants. Batty staged the highly acclaimed "Swords and the Sorrows" exhibit at Culloden battlefield in 1995 and is retired curator for the National Trust for Scotland. Dr. Michael Newton - graduate of University of Edinburgh in Celtic Studies "In Their Own Words: Scottish Gaelic Literature in North Carolina" This title is pretty self-explanatory, but will discuss what did occur in North Carolina's Gaelic speaking community versus what was happening in other Gaelic speaking communities in North America. This one will be of great interest to those interested in Gaelic. Dr. David Caldwell - National Museum of Scotland "Old Islay Families" Again, the title is pretty self-explanatory, but will address the genealogies and histories of the prominent families in Islay as well as emigration from the island. Islay was home to MANY North Carolina Scottish emigrants. Dr. Beverly Boyko - Director of Cultural Resources, Fort Bragg - US Army base "Scottish Heritage on Fort Bragg" This topic will address the many sites of interest to Scots who settled on the current Fort Bragg military reservation including churches, cemeteries and other sites of historic and archaeological significance, most of which are not accessable by the public. A not to be missed opportunity! A closing forum for questions will also be held for all speakers. On Saturday evening, the annual Scottish Heritage Awards banquet will honor Dr. Duane Meyer, author of THE HIGHLAND SCOTS OF NORTH CAROLINA 1732-1776 and Valerie Cairney, editor and publisher of THE SCOTTISH BANNER newspaper. Banquet entertainment will feature a performance by the St. Andrews College Pipe Band - current Southern Pipe Band Champions, Grade III . Please forward this information to any other parties which might be interested. Best regards, Bill Caudill Director, The Scottish Heritage Center St. Andrews Presbyterian College Laurinburg, North Carolina 28352-5598 (910)277-5236 bill@sapc.edu OR bagpipe@sapc.edu >bill@sapc.edu OR bagpipe@sapc.edu >

In response to the story about the certificate on which there were many mistakes. I have tried to collect all the certificates for my grandmother and her siblings. My grandmother was one of six girls and two boys born to John McPhail and Helen McPhee. The father, John, did the registrations. He got his wedding date right about two times out of eight and on the other registrations, the date changes, or the year, or both. There seemed to be a bit of a mental block when it came to the anniversary! Cheers Margaret in Toronto

I haven't kept the previous correspondence, so this email may be off the point, but a word of warning MAY be necessary. Certificates can indeed give useful extra information, but "certificates", properly so called, exist only for events in 1855 (the year when statutory registration was introduced in Scotland) and subsequently. (The year 1855 itself, as Mary says, was particularly good on detail.) Before 1855, all you will get is a copy of the relevant extract from the Old Parish Register and, for this period, you will often find out nothing more from the Register than the index entry has already told you. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Breer" <mbreer@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: Buying Certificates > Yes, there is a great deal of other information you can learn from the > certificates! <snip>

Hello All, I'll reply to this query via the List as there may be others interested in the subject or have other sites to explore, you might try : www.namenerds.com/scottish/ I haven't done alot on this, I know a few of the more common equivalents [ not necessarily Gaelic] ie Morag, Moira, Mary, Jean, Jane, Janet, Jessie Would be interested to know what you find. Mary

The Batch Numbers sits is wonderful - the first time I have had much success with IGI - many thanks Hugh Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCT-ARGYLL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: SCT-ARGYLL-D Digest V02 #27

>From the 1837 Argylshire directory I am seeking any links with Neil Macintyre listed as a Boot and Shoe Maker in George St. Oban.Hoping he may be Neil McIntyre born Kilmonivaig 1813. We have nothing except his baptism and would be so pleased to know what became of him. Carol.

Yes, there is a great deal of other information you can learn from the certificates! I recently obtained one for a great Aunt where there was barely anything correct on it. Fortunately, we had this family pretty well put together with Census records, IGI, OPR's etc. I really wanted the certificate because she was born in 1855 which was the year that Civil Registration began in Scotland and the certificates contain more information than other years. The date and place were correct but names were spelled incorrectly ages were not correct, it said there were 2 boys and three girls in the family- actually there were 3 boys and 2 girls, even the mothers name was spelled incorrectly. Yes, it is the right certificate, the most reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that this was a Gaelic speaking family and my ggrandfather may not have been able to read or write English [remember this is the first year of Civil Registration, the previous children would have been registered by the Parish Minister.] Alternatively, he may have had a "wee dram" too many on the way to the Registrars Office. This certificate is now my most treasured bit of information as I teach Genealogy and I use it as an example of needing to look at many Sources when putting your family tree together. Good Hunting. Mary Breer Vancouver Island, B.C.

are you also looking at McIntyres in the Inverary/Cairndow?Kilmorich area. If so we may be related. ccam wrote: > >From the 1837 Argylshire directory I am seeking any links with Neil Macintyre listed as a Boot and Shoe Maker in George St. Oban.Hoping he may be Neil McIntyre born Kilmonivaig 1813. We have nothing except his baptism and would be so pleased to know what became of him. Carol. > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************* > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site

Can anyone help I have details on a birth certificate of the following: Domestic Servant U.R: Campbellfield Marine Parade, Kirn this was in 1945 can anyone have any information as to what this place was. Thanks

Hi Everybody Does anyone have any of the following in their family tree. Florence Campbell Frances Campbell James Campbell If any of the above ring any bell with anyone then let me know thanks.

Hello Listers, I've just received from New Register House a copy of a page from an OPR showing proclamations of banns and marriages which shows a listing for John McDonald and Marjory Johnson, dated January 26th., 1813. The place is listed as Calert in the Parish of Kilmalie. Does anyone on the list know of these people, either the Johnson or McDonald families? There was a daughter named Marjory who married Dugald McPherson; others in the family were John born 1817, Peggy born at Lismore in 1822, Allan born 1829, Jean born 1833 and Robert born 1835. Their son Alexander was my g-g-grandfather. - Janet Wilson.

Hi All I have just received from another researcher a copy of an Extract of entries in an Old Parochial Register. The information given here is quite limited, and I was wondering if there is a way to find out more. The entry is for the marriage on December 24, 1842 between a Christian McMillan, and Peter Carmichael in the Parish of Kilcalmonell or Kilberry County of Argyll. If I was to order in the Parish register from the LDS would I be getting the same thing I have already got, or would I be getting information as to who these people were, their ages, and the names of their parents? Any help much appreciated Thanks in advance Cindy Paradis Saskatchewan Canada

------=_Part_520_5663340.1013871101716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Flora . Please pass on my (greatfull) thanks to Hugh. This'll tke some of the heartache out of searches !!! . Regards Les ---------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: FloraMacDonald@our-own-home.com (Flora MacDonald) > Sent: Sat Feb 16 13:29:40 GMT 2002 > To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ARGYLL] FW: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility > > > > Good morning everyone, > > My husband has developed a wonderful search engine that will help all > genealogists who are trying to access information from the IGI. Take a > look - try it out and see for yourself how much easier LDS searches become. > > Flora MacDonald > Ontario, Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Wallis [mailto:hugh@our-own-home.com] > Sent: February 15, 2002 21:01 > To: 'Glamorgan List'; 'London List'; 'Surrey List'; 'Somerset List'; > 'Norfolk list'; 'Kent List'; 'Brecon List'; 'Gwent List'; 'Monmouthshire > List'; 'Powys List'; 'Northants List'; 'Bucks List'; 'Berks List'; > 'Cornwall List' > Subject: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility > > > Dear listers > > Have you been frustrated searching the IGI for your rellies when you have > only the surname but got tired of figuring out batch numbers and typing them > into the LDS search screen (since you can't do a last name search unless you > know a batch number)? > > I have been - so I decided to do something about it. I have made an > exhaustive search of the likely ranges of batch numbers for the British > Isles and created a database of those numbers and the source records that > they apply to. I have searched all the possible numbers in the ranges shown > on my website. For each batch I extracted the church or chapel (if > specified), town, county and country names of the first record that appears > when it is called up in my browser. I then organised them by country and > county and created a website. A very powerful feature that I have included > is a hotlink from each batch number to the actual search engine provided at > http://www.familysearch.org, including the ability to enter the surname you > are looking for. This makes it very easy to search all the batches for a > particular geographic location using just the last name you are searching > for - something that is not possible directly from the LDS site without > doing a lot of typing. It also connects towns that are listed in more than > one county in the IGI which can sometimes be a problem causing you to lose a > relly because you are looking across a county border!! > > I hope you will like it - please let me know if you have any suggestions for > improvements, enhancements, or new features that I might be able to > implement. > > (oh yes - where is the site? - I wondered if you would ask that. - take a > look at my signature line) > > Thanks > > Hugh Wallis > Ontario, Canada > Formerly of Surrey, UK > > IGI Batch numbers - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page > Title.htm > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ***************************************************************** > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the > GenConnect board for Argyll > > > ------=_Part_520_5663340.1013871101716 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <mail@bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net> Return-path: <SCT-ARGYLL-L-request@rootsweb.com> Envelope-to: leshorn@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net Delivery-date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:17:53 +0000 Received: from bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net ([212.1.128.182]) by bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16c4iv-0005D3-00 for leshorn@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:17:53 +0000 Received: from [63.92.80.123] (helo=lists5.rootsweb.com) by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) id 16c4xu-000675-00 for leshorn@bushinternet.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:33:22 +0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1GDUml29016; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:30:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:30:48 -0700 X-Original-Sender: FloraMacDonald@our-own-home.com Sat Feb 16 06:30:47 2002 From: "Flora MacDonald" <FloraMacDonald@our-own-home.com> Old-To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com>, <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com>, <ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, <SCT-ARL-TIREE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1b6ed$fd3703b0$65dc6518@cs386183a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2002 13:29:41.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD70FF70:01C1B6ED] Subject: [ARGYLL] FW: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility Resent-Message-ID: <8fUY_C.A.LFH.I8lb8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4610 X-Loop: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SCT-ARGYLL-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-Bcc: Good morning everyone, My husband has developed a wonderful search engine that will help all genealogists who are trying to access information from the IGI. Take a look - try it out and see for yourself how much easier LDS searches become. Flora MacDonald Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Wallis [mailto:hugh@our-own-home.com] Sent: February 15, 2002 21:01 To: 'Glamorgan List'; 'London List'; 'Surrey List'; 'Somerset List'; 'Norfolk list'; 'Kent List'; 'Brecon List'; 'Gwent List'; 'Monmouthshire List'; 'Powys List'; 'Northants List'; 'Bucks List'; 'Berks List'; 'Cornwall List' Subject: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility Dear listers Have you been frustrated searching the IGI for your rellies when you have only the surname but got tired of figuring out batch numbers and typing them into the LDS search screen (since you can't do a last name search unless you know a batch number)? I have been - so I decided to do something about it. I have made an exhaustive search of the likely ranges of batch numbers for the British Isles and created a database of those numbers and the source records that they apply to. I have searched all the possible numbers in the ranges shown on my website. For each batch I extracted the church or chapel (if specified), town, county and country names of the first record that appears when it is called up in my browser. I then organised them by country and county and created a website. A very powerful feature that I have included is a hotlink from each batch number to the actual search engine provided at http://www.familysearch.org, including the ability to enter the surname you are looking for. This makes it very easy to search all the batches for a particular geographic location using just the last name you are searching for - something that is not possible directly from the LDS site without doing a lot of typing. It also connects towns that are listed in more than one county in the IGI which can sometimes be a problem causing you to lose a relly because you are looking across a county border!! I hope you will like it - please let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements, enhancements, or new features that I might be able to implement. (oh yes - where is the site? - I wondered if you would ask that. - take a look at my signature line) Thanks Hugh Wallis Ontario, Canada Formerly of Surrey, UK IGI Batch numbers - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page Title.htm ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== ***************************************************************** http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the GenConnect board for Argyll ------=_Part_520_5663340.1013871101716--

Good morning everyone, My husband has developed a wonderful search engine that will help all genealogists who are trying to access information from the IGI. Take a look - try it out and see for yourself how much easier LDS searches become. Flora MacDonald Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Wallis [mailto:hugh@our-own-home.com] Sent: February 15, 2002 21:01 To: 'Glamorgan List'; 'London List'; 'Surrey List'; 'Somerset List'; 'Norfolk list'; 'Kent List'; 'Brecon List'; 'Gwent List'; 'Monmouthshire List'; 'Powys List'; 'Northants List'; 'Bucks List'; 'Berks List'; 'Cornwall List' Subject: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility Dear listers Have you been frustrated searching the IGI for your rellies when you have only the surname but got tired of figuring out batch numbers and typing them into the LDS search screen (since you can't do a last name search unless you know a batch number)? I have been - so I decided to do something about it. I have made an exhaustive search of the likely ranges of batch numbers for the British Isles and created a database of those numbers and the source records that they apply to. I have searched all the possible numbers in the ranges shown on my website. For each batch I extracted the church or chapel (if specified), town, county and country names of the first record that appears when it is called up in my browser. I then organised them by country and county and created a website. A very powerful feature that I have included is a hotlink from each batch number to the actual search engine provided at http://www.familysearch.org, including the ability to enter the surname you are looking for. This makes it very easy to search all the batches for a particular geographic location using just the last name you are searching for - something that is not possible directly from the LDS site without doing a lot of typing. It also connects towns that are listed in more than one county in the IGI which can sometimes be a problem causing you to lose a relly because you are looking across a county border!! I hope you will like it - please let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements, enhancements, or new features that I might be able to implement. (oh yes - where is the site? - I wondered if you would ask that. - take a look at my signature line) Thanks Hugh Wallis Ontario, Canada Formerly of Surrey, UK IGI Batch numbers - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page Title.htm

We need to be careful about assuming that an asylum was for the mentally ill in past times. The term means a refuge (hence the linking of 'refugees' seeking 'asylum') for those who need shelter or are unable to care for themselves, or who have no family to care for them. Often the very old, or frail elderly who would today have good care in hostel or unit accommodation would have been housed in asylums with the mentally ill or those who were severely brain damaged at birth, and in some cases those who were cast off by their families. Anne MAYE

Good Morning Argyll Listers, I want to thank everyone who has contributed information to the list and to me personally about the Argyll & Bute Asylum at Lochgilphead, your information has been most helpful. I had been searching for the death of a great Uncle about 1907 - 1914 when the family moved from the farm where they had lived for 60 years, I thought it had been his death that triggered the move. I was surprised to find he had died in 1930 at the age of 83 at the Argyll & Bute Asylum. It seems that often when one question is answered it raises several more. Wishing everyone a Happy Valentine's Day from Vancouver Island, B.C. Sincerely, Mary

Capturing in this missive, the sparing prose of Rambaud,<001801c1b4ee$31aef410$5fe12a18@cr832957a> and displaying the suave and sophisticated disposition of Archibald Leach, Helen Campbell Blair <hblair@rogers.com> sgrìobh, >Hi listers >In a copy of a death registration the place of death is given as >"Laggan Buie Kilmun". >Could someone please clarify for me what is Laggan Buie. >The cause of death is certified by Archd Robertson MBCM,Strone. >Thanks kindly >Helen What dates are we talking about? -- Lachie Macquarie. The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England.

All the fascinating conversations here about various parishes in the Argyle area have brought me to reposting my interests. I know very little about them but my Clark branch seems to have came from the Glendaurel area in the Kilmodan Parish. John Clark - farmer and Isabella turner had son Andrew Clark born 1786 in Glendaurel Andrew Clark married Christina Wilson born 1786 in Middle or New Parish Greenock Children of this marriage - Catherine Clark married an unknown and is said to have gone to America -Janet Clark(my direct ancestor) born circa 1827 Glasgow - Isabella Clark born circa 1837 - Mary Clark born circa 1838 - both these ladies born Greenock - Peter Clark born circa 1841 On the IGI there is an John Clark and Isabell Turner married 17th November 1784 at Kilmodan, Argyll. I`ve not had the chance to order and view the relevant film for these and other Kilmodan events I feel are probably related to this family. I would be fascinated to here if others have familys connected to this area in this time period. Anne

Hi listers In a copy of a death registration the place of death is given as "Laggan Buie Kilmun". Could someone please clarify for me what is Laggan Buie. The cause of death is certified by Archd Robertson MBCM,Strone. Thanks kindly Helen

Thanks for the information. I'll check it out. Two of my ancestors, Daniel McAlpine who married Jane Ester Campbell and Peter McAlpine who married Mary Campbell left Aldborough and moved to Kalamazoo MI. They were sons of Alexander McAlpine and Christena Brown. Thanks again, Regards, Anne Reynolds, Mt. Albert, Ontario. Donna Lou Ritter wrote: My Scottish ancestors came from Argyll to Elgin Co (which is where Aldborough Twp. is) a little later than yours. One of the really helpful sites is abstracts of Surrogate Court records--estate settlements. They are not searchable, but I have found so much helpful information about my family. I go back to them periodically and scroll through them again. I don't see any direct connection to your family although I have some peripheral connections to Black, McKillop, McLean, and Campbell families. My primary line is Munro. The URL is below. Good luck. http://www.library.elgin-county.on.ca/history/estate.html D. Lou Ritter, Kalamazoo, MI