----- Original Message ----- From: "annepryce" <annepryce@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] McMillans Hi Anne, Did any of your McMILLAN`s move up the west coast ?..... in the old Kilchoan churchyard there are graves marked:- Erected by James McMILLAN, Sydney N.S.W. in loving memory of his parents Dugald McMILLAN died 13th Feb 1865 aged 63 years, Margaret McPHEE his wife died 12th July 1884 aged 69 years, also his brother JOHN drowned 12th Dec 1889 aged 32 years. Erected by Katherine STEWART in memory of her parents Angus MacPHERSON and his wife Mary MacMILLAN also their children ???? and Anna Erected by his family in loving memory of Angus McMILLAN, farmer Ardslignish died 30th January 1894 aged 56 years. Stuart, Scottish Highlands,..( Ardnamurchan ) > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************* > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site >

For those of you who wrote expressing an inability to find the War Office information, the following should make your search successful. Sorry my directions were unclear and inadequate - will try again. Go to: http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk Choose the option: Search the catalogue. A screen should appear with 4 boxes. Box one is the enter a name. I would just enter a surname in the box. Box 2 is for a year or year span. Ignore this. Box 3 is for the series. In this box, type "WO" without the parenthesis. Box 4 is a search button. I just did this and it was successful. ===== My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~virginiawesttooregon The complete database of our family history: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familylibrary/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

It seems I might have more than one connection with the Argyll area.. my Clarks originate in Glendaurel/Kilmodan and now its a possibility that some McMillans came from Kilmun or Dunoon. I have a Rachel McMillan and James Smith whose son James was born Denny Stirling around 1848. Rachel died Denny in 1876 and her parents are given as David McMillan and Margaret Telfer. Rachel McMillan born around 1806. The IGI has a David McMillan and Agnes Telfer getting married in Kilmun and Dunoon parish 27th November 1804. I know its supposition and I could be way out here.. but I was curious to see if anyone found any of this familiar to them... Anne

Would like to share a resource for British military records from 1760 to 1872. Before dismissing this because it is British, please be advised there are many Scots in the records. Go to the Public Record Office web site http://pro.gov.uk (url for memory; but you can type in Public Record Office in google.com and get right there). Using their search engine for the catalog, type in WO. This gives you the War Office series of records. Type in your surname of interest. My search for McCallums and McAllums yielded over 115 hits. This gives you basic catalogue entry details including name, birthplace and regiment served in; date or age at discharge and years covered. Next, using the on-line Family History Library Catalog of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, you want to locate: Soldiers Documents: Service Documents of Soldiers 1760-1872. What you will access is over 1200 reels of microfilm which give additional information on those soldiers listed in the War Office search you completed at the Public Record Office site. The PRO search identified the Regiment for the individual. Using that number, scroll down the FHL listing until you come to the appropriate regiment number - Example: 26th Foot. Order or view that film and you will get additional information. Some of the information will not be a great deal more than what the PRO catalogue entry details show. But, in many cases, there is a great deal more information - sometimes several pages on one soldier. It details overseas service, disability, reason for discharge; physical description, sometimes gives wife and children; age; problems while in the military; hospitalization - just all kinds of information - It is easiest to access the correct films on the FHL by using the film/fiche number search. Here is a number of one of the films to enter: 872369 - This will give you the records of the 21st Foot Regiment. ------- Hope this helps someone. Lois ===== My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~virginiawesttooregon The complete database of our family history: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familylibrary/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Hi All, I received this from the Wigtownshire List I have copied it in it's entirety, hope you enjoy. Sheena. I copied this from the Central Scottish Scottish Society, San Luis Obispo, California newsletter: Thought it was a bit of a day-brightener to give us a sly chuckle as we relentlessly pursue our forebears. Susie Lee fell in love, She planned to marry Joe. She was so happy about it all, She told her Pappy so Pappy told her, "Susy gal, you'll have to find another; I'd just as soon yer Maw don't know, but Joe is your half-brother." So Susy fergot about her Joe, and planned to marry Will. But after tellin' Pappy this, he said, "There's trouble still." "Ye cain't marry Will, my gal; an' please don't tell yer mother, cause Will an' Joe an' several mo' I know is yer half-brother." But Mama knew --- and said, "My chile, jis' do what makes yer happy" marry Will or mary Joe--- you ain't no kin to Pappy!" I love to pass on this humorous little ditty to my friends who are convinced that they can claim descent in a direct line from such "pedigreed luminaries" as Alfred the Great, Robert II, and even Mary, Queen of Scots. I'm just a "mutt" from people who worked the land, were shoemakers, or latterly learned to be skilled workers. Keeps me humble! Maisie (Mary Brown Clint Egger) formerly Glasgow, Scotland Paso Robles, California

I am searching for information on David who was from Perth, Scotland and was listed on the 1860 census in Georgia (USA). Thanks. Love in Christ, Allene.

I am sorry to have been so long in posting this reply but I have only just been able to check the details below. The answer to the questions about parishes and counties is rather more complex than is indicated by Les Horn in his reply. Could I first draw attention to the fact that the SRO, or as it is now called the National Archives of Scotland, never has had anything to do with registration or the Old Parochial Registers? The organisation which deals with these is the General Register Office, which is the department of the Registrar General for Scotland and is in New Register House, Edinburgh. The parish list with its numbers is simply a catalogue made by the Registrar General in the 19th century of the parishes of the Church of Scotland running from north to south. This catalogue was the basis of the system of statutory registration which was introduced in 1855. The parishes previous to that date had kept, or were supposed to have kept, records of births and marriages within their boundaries and the unit was therefore seen as the sensible one for the new system. The original numbers are used nowadays to identify the Old Parochial Registers. Basically these parishes were the original pre-Reformation parishes of the Church, although various changes were made as a result of the Reformation and the political upheavals of the 17th century. They varied enormously in population and area covered and for these areas they had functions which would now be considered the functions of local government, for example concerning the poor and provision of education. Parishes which had such functions became known as the civil parishes or parishes quoad civilia. These parishes were often divided into parts quite separate from each other. It was quite common to find a part of one parish in the middle of a neighbouring one. By the end of the 18th century, too, population in Scotland had shifted dramatically and particularly in areas like Lanarkshire several large towns had sometimes grown up within one parish boundary. In Argyll, the problem was one of parishes which covered very large areas. Several of these had been split up in the 17th century and then joined together again. In some cases separate small parishes had been amalgamated but there was often enormous confusion, as in the southern part of Kintyre where the original parish of Kilkivan is sometimes grouped with the parish of Southend and sometimes with the parish of Campbeltown. In the north of the county the situation was even more fluid - hence the problem over Arisaig. Arisaig was in fact in the parish of Ardnamurchan. This was a huge parish in area which covered Ardnamurchan proper, Sunart and Moidart and Arisaig and was half in Argyll and half in Inverness-shire. In practice it was often regarded as two parishes, one styled Ardnamurchan with its main church at Kilchoan and the other called Islandfinnan with its main church at Strontian. The issue was further complicated by the very large Roman Catholic population in Moidart and Arisaig. The Church's answer to the problems of large populations and large parishes was to subdivide and create new parishes for religious purposes - the parishes quoad sacra. These parishes had their own ministers and Kirk Sessions but they had no civil responsibilities. A very large number of these parishes were created in the period from the end of the 18th century to the middle of the 19th century. In one sense the whole concept of local government in counties was a 19th century one. What existed in Scotland was a system of 'sheriffdoms' - that is, the area of jurisdiction of a Sheriff who was a law officer, a judge, appointed to deal with crimes and disputes. Within these Sheriffdoms there were some elements of local government. Some functions were the responsibility of the Sheriff such as the passing on of Royal Proclamations; others, such as the collection of taxes and the building and upkeep of roads, were the function of the local landowners who were termed the Commissioners of Supply. The thirty-four sheriffdoms into which Scotland was divided appear to date from the late 13th century. The Sheriffdom of Argyll until late in the 19th century was larger than the later county. The situation with both counties and parishes changed with Local Government Act (Scotland) Act 1889 and it is absolutely essential that anyone interested in the northern part of Argyll reads the Report of the Boundary Commissioners for Scotland 1893 which details exactly which places were transferred from the County of Argyll to the County of Inverness. This can be very important in looking for wills and testaments in the Sheriff Court after 1823. The Commissioners also changed the boundaries of many parishes, particularly in Perthshire, but the changes in Argyll in this respect were minor. The main ones were that the area around Kingairloch was transferred into the parish of Kilmallie from (Appin and Lismore) and Kilberry was moved from Kilcalmonell into South Knapdale. The two changes in the boundaries of Argyll were as follows: a) The islands of Canna, Sanday, Rum, Muck, Oigh-sgeir and Eilan nan Each (the last two very small), until 1889 in Argyll, were transferred to the county of Inverness. b) The following places around Fort William and lying to the north of Loch Eil, which up to 1889 were in Argyll, were also transferred to the county of Inverness: (In alphabetical order and 19th century spelling) Achadalieu, Annat, Badabry, Banavie, Camaghael, Caol, Corpach, Corribeg, Craigag, Drimnaha, Drimsallie, Fassifern, Glensuilaig, Invervakaig, Kinlocheil, Kilmallie, Lochyside, Muirshearlich and Torcastle. Frank Bigwood

I am searching for CAMERONs in Killmallie and , of course, finding lots and lots. The film I can get from the LDS to search only starts at 1773.Is this the start of the Kilmallie Parish? Could someone tell me which parish the earlier baptisms and marriages would have been in? Also are there any records of burials anywhere that I could access? I would appreciate any help on this. Cheers Audrey audmay@ozemail.com.au

Dear List, My great-great-great grandfather was Duncan McGILLIVRAY, he was born in 1798, in Argyllshire, Scotland. He married Ann McPHAIL, she was born 1817, in Argyllshire. They had two sons born in Argyllshire, Donald (1836) and Alexander (1833). They moved to Canada, in 1849. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amy Robison Ontario, Canada

Hello to all, I have been "listening" on the list for a while, now I would like to post my interests in Argyll. I am at the beginning of my research, so information is brief. In June 1821, Neil THOMSON married Grizel MCCALLUM, Saddell & Skipness Parish. The spelling of Grizel has many variants. They had as family, as per the IGI:- Donal THOMSON, 17 Apr 1822, Saddell & Skipness Mary THOMSON, 28 Feb 1824, Saddell & Skipness, married James STEWART 1848. Meran THOMSON, 28 Nov 1825, Saddell & Skipness Flora THOMSON, 28 Oct 1827, Saddell & Skipness William THOMSON, 22 May 1830, Saddell & Skipness Grace THOMSON, June 1834, Kilcalmonell & Kilberry Neil THOMSON, 6 Jul 1839, Kilcalmonell & Kilberry The 1882 census has provided a William THOMSON, (49yrs) shepherd, married to Sarah, with children Duncan (14yrs), Grace (12 yrs), Sarah (10 yrs) & Mary (8yrs), living in a house called "Achaglas", Kilcalmonell. This is possibly the son. Mary THOMSON was mt gt grandmother. If these names appear on anyone's family tree, please get in touch. I'd like to learn more about this family. Many thanks Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand

I've traced my McAlister ancestors back to an Angus McAlester who married Mary McCallum Aug 24,1820 at Campbeltown, Scotland. They had at least 8 children(in birth order): John, James, Elizabeth, Alexander, Angus, Duncan, Isabella and Neil, born between 1821 and 1838 at Campbeltown. Four of the sons (James, Angus, Duncan & Neil)ended up in Mobile, Alabama in the 1850's. James is my g-g-grandfather. His youngest brother Neil was said to have been a teacher at a college(a secondary school?) in Campbeltown before emmigrating to the U.S. to join his older brothers in the ship building industry at Mobile. Yet to have any luck tracing Mary McCallum or Angus McAlester. There were at least a dozen Mary McCallums christened in and around Campbeltown in 1803 and 1804 alone(according to LDS records) Any connections for anyone? Brian Brian P. Martin Physics Teacher Seoul American High School Seoul, S. Korea __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

Hi, Sorry, the information for the Merchant Service exhausts my knowledge!!! However, the Public Records Office must have an enquiry service, maybe they could tell you what ADM stands for? Have you come across www.justgen.com? That has a large number of links to other things. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Ailsa Dorcatomc@aol.com wrote: > > Ailsa, > I followed your directions for finding service records and it worked > beautifully for Merchant Seamen. Thank you. However, I need to find records > of men in the Royal Navy and have tried several choices for the author's name > at familysearch to bring up the records "ADM 196". Since you handled the > Merchant Seamen search so beautifully, do you have any idea how I can find > the records for the British Navy in family search? I am not using the proper > author's name and cannot come up with the correct one. > Thank you for any ideas you may have. > Dorothy > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ***************************************************************** > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the > GenConnect board for Argyll

In a message dated 05/05/2002 17:06:52 GMT Standard Time, SCT-ARGYLL-D-request@rootsweb.com Marilyn Cameron writes: > <I haven't been able to find where Lenehulen or Lenchulan is located> > > Lenihulen is (or was) in Bute. The name survives on the 1:25000 OS map in > North Wood of Lenihuline, South wood of Lenihuline and Lenihuline Hill. It > was at the northern end of the island on the west side just south of place > which does appear on some modern maps - Kilmichael. It you cannot find the > place in Bute, you may be able to identify Kames in the Cowal peninsula of > Argyll which is more or less opposite Kilmichael. Are you sure that 'ridean' is correctly transcribed. I would expect a placename > > Frank Bigwood

Hi there In 1881 AGNES DAVIS at 8 years of age lived at 3 Robertson Mews (above a stable) in Lee, Kent, England parlimentary borough of Lewisham, parish of St. Margaret's with her parents and siblings. In 1891 she lived at 2 Hedgley Street, Lee, Kent, England parlimentary borough of Lewisham, parish of St. Margaret's with some siblings and her father and worked as a domestic. Both homes where in the same area. I have the marriage certificate of WILLIAM LARKING and AGNES DAVIS and am looking for their descendants. The marriage was solemnized at St. Nicholas Church, in the Parish of Plumstead, in the County of Kent on June 4, 1898. William was aged at 28 yrs., a bachelor, a machinist, and his residence was 18 Parkdale Rd. William's father was Alfred Larking and was a blacksmith. Agnes was aged at 25 yrs., spinster, and lived at 18 Parkdale Road. Agnes' father's name was Alfred Davis. The marriage took place at St. Nicholas Church, rites and ceremonies of the Established Church after the Banns. The marriage took place in the presence of Frank Larking and Julia Davis the bride's sister. I look foreward to hearing from anyone who may have information on Agnes' and William's family who moved to Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland, Gourock and then on to Ballock just outside Glasgow. Alec Larking's wife Mary below lives in Gourock. (sp) Thanks Judy in Canada Descendants of Agnes Mary Jane Davis 1 Agnes Mary Jane Davis 1872 - 1950 b: December 25, 1872 in Lee, Kent (now London) d: 1950 . +William Larking 1870 - b: 1870 in Plumstead, Kent, England m: June 04, 1898 in St. Nicholas Church, Plumstead, Kent, England .. 2 Alex Larking - 2001 d: Bef. 2001 ...... +Mary ??? .. 2 son2 Larking ...... 3 John Larking .. 2 Alfred Cyril Larking 1908 - 2001 b: April 02, 1908 in East, Plumstead, England d: Bef. 2001 ...... +Louisa Woolsey Jesamine 1910 - b: Abt. 1910 m: July 28, 1933 in Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

Hello Marilyn, What sort of seaman are you looking for? I have recently discovered that my gt grandfather was in the Merchant Service, 1840-55 (about). I have found indexes on the Public Records Site - pro.gov.uk. Go to homepage, then catalogues, info leaflet, leaflet index. There you will find Merchant Seamen Registers of Service. From there, I then went to familysearch.com & into the Catalogue. Put in Board of Trade as author and follow through and you will get the film numbers. The records all start with BT. Hope this may help. I haven't accessed it yet, I intend ordering the films later this week. I understand that a record of the person's service is given, as well as personal details. Happy hunting Ailsa Hamilton New Zealand Marilyn Cameron wrote: > > Hi List. > Below is some information a fellow lister found for me. > I haven't been able to find where Lenehulen or Lenchulan is located > Ridean means A small mound of earth; ground slightly elevated; a small ridge. > Can anyone with local knowledge help me discover where these places are? Probably on the Isle of Bute or near Kilfinnan. > <June 1816 > Lachlan McGlashan son to the deceased Lachlan McGlashan cottar in ?Lenehulen > or possibly Lenchulan) and Euphemia McKellar daughter to the deceased John > McKellar in the parish of Kilfinnan booked 8th and married 11th inst. > > Archibald Grey born 4 Feb 1827 to Lachlan Grey seaman ridean and Euphy > McKellar, his wife > Don't know what the ridean (or perhaps rideau) meant ..the name of his ship?> > > Also how would I go about finding information on a seaman, which ship he was on? > Any help would be greatly appreciated > Thank you > Marilyn Cameron > Australia > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > Please remember to send ALL list mail to SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com

Ailsa, I followed your directions for finding service records and it worked beautifully for Merchant Seamen. Thank you. However, I need to find records of men in the Royal Navy and have tried several choices for the author's name at familysearch to bring up the records "ADM 196". Since you handled the Merchant Seamen search so beautifully, do you have any idea how I can find the records for the British Navy in family search? I am not using the proper author's name and cannot come up with the correct one. Thank you for any ideas you may have. Dorothy

Hello Has one looked into the Flemings of Oban Argyll and Luing and Belnahua i have traced some of my family around there and as i come from Oban it looks like we came there quite a long time ago , if anyone has information or some roots to them please write to me. andrew@fleming72.freeserve.co.uk

Hi List. Below is some information a fellow lister found for me. I haven't been able to find where Lenehulen or Lenchulan is located Ridean means A small mound of earth; ground slightly elevated; a small ridge. Can anyone with local knowledge help me discover where these places are? Probably on the Isle of Bute or near Kilfinnan. <June 1816 Lachlan McGlashan son to the deceased Lachlan McGlashan cottar in ?Lenehulen or possibly Lenchulan) and Euphemia McKellar daughter to the deceased John McKellar in the parish of Kilfinnan booked 8th and married 11th inst. Archibald Grey born 4 Feb 1827 to Lachlan Grey seaman ridean and Euphy McKellar, his wife Don't know what the ridean (or perhaps rideau) meant ..the name of his ship?> Also how would I go about finding information on a seaman, which ship he was on? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you Marilyn Cameron Australia

.Hello: I did not look at this message closely the first time. I now note that one of the children was born in Furnace. I have always heard the older members of my family talk about the Bon Awe Furnace which I understood to be a slate quarry. In fact I can remember having the quarry pointed out to me, and it seemed to be a sort of surface mine up a substantial hill. My recollection is that it is beside Loch Etive and can be seen from across the Loch. Members of our family worked there for short periods in the 1920's and after. The slates were used for roofing. Margaret in Toronto

Ardchattan priory is northeast of Oban, Argyll. If you look at a modern map follow proudscot wrote:A85 north from oban , continue north on A828 then south on B845 towards Loch Etive. Katrina > Hi, > > I am trying to complete the family picture and would love to know about the history and localities of any of the above. > > My Marr family at some point were based in Argyllshire. > I have the following information. > > William Marr b. 1838 in Aberdeen, wife Mary Ann Taylor b. 1841 in Aberdeen. > > William Marr was a settmaker/journeyman, so I'm pretty sure he was following the work availbale in the quarries at that time. For a few years the family was based in Kilspindie, Perthshire and William worked at the Pitroddie Quarry. Two of their daughters were born there. > > One of their son's, Alexander Marr b. Ben Aur, Argyll; a daughter; Mary Ann Marr b. Furnace, Argyll and another daughter Ann Marr b. Ben Awe, Argyll. > Daughter Mary Ann may well be the same Mary Ann I have found b. in Culmodden, Argyll in 1873. > > When William Marr and Mary Ann Taylor's son William (b.1861 in Aberdeen) got married in Kilspindie in 1881, the marriage certificate shows an address of Ardchattan, Argyllshire for both him and his parents and that William had followed his father's footsteps and worked as a stone-dresser. > > Can anyone shed some light on these addresses and their histories? Has anyone else got stonedressing ancestors who worked these quarries and may have come across my family members? > > many thanks, > > Karen > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site