Hullo CJ (Sorry, I don't have another name, as I assume you are not Robert) Could this be the same as Goirteaneorna in Skipness? If so, Angus Graham's book, "Skipness: Memories of a Highland Estate", describes it thus: "A small farm, not appearing in the early records and perhaps formed by Fraser* through the amalgamation of some neighbouring crofts shown as ruins on the OS map of 1867 - Auchanandunan, Eascahadhu, Bailean-cleirich. The tenants were named COOK." * Fraser acquired the estate in 1843 and was an enthusiastic "moderniser". His activities ensured that he died a hated man. From the old maps that I have copied it would appear to be close to the waterside (Kilbrannan Sound in the Firth of Clyde) on the road leading to the Castle. If so, it would have been backed by low and rolling hills, and have had fine views of the higher and more spectacular hills of Arran. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stevens" <rastevens@westnet.com.au> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Gorteneorn > Hello Listers, > > My g grandfather was living at Gorteneorn in 1851, according to the census, where he was a "farmer of one acre." Although I have looked at maps of this area, they really do not give me any idea of what the topography is like. > > Would anyone have a photo or post card of the area that they would be willing to copy for me please? Or perhaps someone would be kind enough to give me a written description. I am also interested to know if any buildings remain there today, and what a typical croft/farm dwelling would have looked like. > > If anyone is able to help with my enquiries, would you please email to my address. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > C J Stevens.

Robert, If you know what parish someone lived in, you can find out a bit about life there from either the Old Statistical Account (OSA) of around 1795, or from the New Statistical Account (NSA) of about 1840. You can access these free at the website http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp If your own parish does not tell you all you want to know, read what has been said about adjacent parishes. Iain McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stevens" <rastevens@westnet.com.au> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Gorteneorn > Hello Listers, > > My g grandfather was living at Gorteneorn in 1851, according to the census, where he was a "farmer of one acre." Although I have looked at maps of this area, they really do not give me any idea of what the topography is like. > > Would anyone have a photo or post card of the area that they would be willing to copy for me please? Or perhaps someone would be kind enough to give me a written description. I am also interested to know if any buildings remain there today, and what a typical croft/farm dwelling would have looked like. > > If anyone is able to help with my enquiries, would you please email to my address. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > C J Stevens. > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html > > >

on 2/2/03 3:35 pm, KADICA@aol.com at KADICA@aol.com wrote: Thanks for the note on the McKellar's.----------(snipped) Right now it appears that his great grandmother's family lived in the Kilmartin area but that his great-grandfather's family lived in Glassary. They always said they were of "no known relation." I can understand that now with all the McKellars living the area. It seems like every other one is a McKellar or married to a McKellar. I have successfully proven that Duncan (b1814) was the son of Duncan and Catharine Deor (Dewar) who lived in Glassary. Duncan, his brother Dougald (who married sisters) along with brother Neil emigrated to Canada when they were very young men. I have had some difficulty finding him in Canada before his marriage to Isabella. We will be making another trip to Canada sometime this summer. There are Dewars living in the Ontario area where they settled so perhaps uncles or cousins also emigrated to Canada. Duncan and Catharine did not. Hi Karen and Listers, From my own SMITH / MCPHAIL /DEWAR or DEOR research, it seems that there were very close links between certain families in the Kilmartin and Glassary parishes. Within the SMITH line there were marriages to : CURRIE CAMPBELL MCKELLAR- Margaret married John SMITH in Kilmartin 16 Mar 1793 GILLIES ORR LAW MCPHAIL-Jane married my great grandfather Neil SMITH(b.1844 in Kilmartin ) in Greenock in 1872. Jane was the daughter of Duncan MCPHAIL and Sarah DEWAR and was born in Lochgair in 1842. Sarah DEWAR was the daughter of John DEWAR and Christina MCGREGOR born abt.1803 in Ballimore, Within the MCPHAIL lines, there are MCTAVISH marriages,too. I am sure there are other families that connect to these lines of mine from this area but at present, I have not researched all of the descendants of William SMITH and Rachel CURRIE who were married in Kilmartin in 1764. If anyone reading this has a SMITH/ MCPHAIL /DEWAR or name above connecting to the SMITH family from the Kilmartin and Glassary area, I would be delighted to hear from you. All the best, Penuel Ellis-Brown

For out of print books I use a web site - abebooks.com - it is a database of second hand booksellers from all round the world - you can either buy through them or contact the individual booksellers direct. I have found several books that I was looking for Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanc" <jeanc@onetel.net.uk> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Book search I've tried unsuccessfully to get a copy of "Family of the Raven" by Ian D MacKichan. Can anyone help? Sìne NicLeòid ______________________________

on 1/2/03 4:40 am, ksp at ksp@hawaii.rr.com wrote: > I am trying to locate information on John McKellar born abt 1808 in Kilmartin, > married to Isabelle Currie on May 5, 1840 in South Knapdale. Their known > children are Isabelle b 1840, Jane b 1841, Peter b. 1846, Mary b 1847, > Catherine b 1849, Anne b 1851, John b 1855, Marjory McDougall b 1858 and > Archibald b 1861. I am unable to locate them after the 1861 census. Jane > married Angus MacQuilkan, and I have information to share about their daughter > Jane's family. I would like to get more information about Jane's siblings, > their families, her parents, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hi Karen, My great uncle John Henderson SMITH married a Jessie / Janet MCKELLAR in 1925 in Glasgow. Jessie was born in 1891 in Lochgilphead. Her parents were Alexander MCKELLAR and Margaret FERGUSON who married in Lochgilphead about 1887.His parents were a John and Jessie MCKELLAR as you can see from the 1881 Census; Dwelling: 30 Lochnell St Census Place: Glassary, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203559 GRO Ref Volume 526 EnumDist 1 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MC KELLAR M 48 M Glassary, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Joiner Jessie MC KELLAR M 49 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Joiners Wife Alexander MC KELLAR U 21 M Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Fisherman Jessie MC KELLAR U 14 F Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: At Home Joiners Daughter Duncan MC KELLAR U 10 M Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John MC KELLAR U 6 M Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary MC TAVISH U 18 F Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar I also have a couple of CURRIEs in my SMITH line as my 3x great grandmother was Rachel CURRIE who was married to William SMITH in Kilmartin in 1764. I have done a search of the 1881 Census and found the following which may tie in to your MCKELLARs: Dwelling: 25 Gallowgate St Census Place: Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203565 GRO Ref Volume 558 EnumDist 4 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Isabella MC KELLAR W 71 F Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Isabella MC KELLAR U 39 F Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Daur Dwelling: Argyll Census Place: Knapdale South, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203559 GRO Ref Volume 526 EnumDist 8 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MC KELLAR M 25 M So Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Carter Catherine MC KELLAR 31 F Glassary, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Housekeeper Ann MC PHERSON W 68 F Jura, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Visitor Maybe we have a connection? Good luck with your research, Regards, Argyll-Glassary Parish ( Kilmartin, Lochgilphead, Ballimore ) SMITH / MCPHAIL / DEWAR

I've tried unsuccessfully to get a copy of "Family of the Raven" by Ian D MacKichan. Can anyone help? Sìne NicLeòid

Donald Macintyre was born 15 Aug 1810 at Drimbui, Morvern, son of Donald McIntyre and Janet Macphee. He married 12 MAR 1838 Catherine McIntyre. CHILDREN 17 FEB 1839 Donald Leitch Macintyre to Ontario 15 AUG 1843 Jane Macintyre 6 JUN 1845 Alexander Macintyre 10 SEP 1847 Duncan Macintyre 2 JUN 1850 Christina Macintyre 3 MAR 1853 Archibald Macintyre to Ontario Donald was a schoolmaster in Claigan in 1838 and 1841. By 1851, he was schoolmaster in Lochaline where he continued to about 1865. I know little about descendants other than Donald Leitch Macintyre. Archibald was said to have come to Canada with him. Christy was said to have remained with the parents in Lochaline, married and lost 5 sons in World War I. Does anyone have information about this family? I hope to hear from you. Judith Macintyres so far on my website at http:www.chidlow.com/macintyre.htm

Capturing in this missive, the sparing prose of Rambaud, <OE108L74TheTtwq8zjx00005d28@hotmail.com> and displaying the suave and sophisticated disposition of Archibald Leach, Martyn Taylor <martyntaylor@msn.com> sgrìobh, >Maureen > >To the best of my knowledge, in the 19th century Helensburgh was in the >parish of Row, Dunbartonshire. Others more knowledgable than I am may be >able to say whether it was ever in Argyll & Bute. > >Martyn > Helensburgh has just recently been incorporated into Argyll and Bute within the last five years, during the last local government reorganisation in Scotland. As long as I can remember it had been part of Dunbartonshire. Today Helensburgh, tomorrow Moidart? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James & Maureen Peer" <tracer@bis.on.ca> >To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:08 AM >Subject: [ARGYLL] MCKINLAY Thomas; PETERSON Mary; c.1911. > > >> Hello list >> >> >> >> I have joined your list searching for information on my grandfather and >> family. The search had been taking place across the Clyde in Greenock, >> Renfrew County. I have just learned that he came from Helensburgh. I >> understand Helensburgh is located in Argyll and Bute. -- Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhan--smaoineachadh miannach.

Hi Group Can any one help me I don't know were to start on this one,I have Irish connections in my family O'Donnell & Fitzpatrick but I don't know at what time The last ones I can trace back to is. -------------------------------------------------- 1889 July 20th at St John's church, Portugal Street, Glasgow after publications according to the forms of the roman catholic church James Fitzpatrick, iron moulder apprentice, age 21 of 14 Francis street Glasgow and Letitia Tracey, India rubber worker, age 18 of 11 Francis street Glasgow Parents: Patrick Fitzpatrick, Railway Surfaceman and Ellen Fitzpatrick m.s. (it looks like galen or salen sorry I couldn't make it out) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William O'Donnell born around 1860 married Ellen McGlinchey date ??? ( DOB 31st July 1867) I'm trying to find out more for the Irish connection on both these families O'Donnell & Fitzpatrick any idea how to go about it Iv hit a brick wall thanks to all very much Jim

I am trying to locate information on John McKellar born abt 1808 in Kilmartin, married to Isabelle Currie on May 5, 1840 in South Knapdale. Their known children are Isabelle b 1840, Jane b 1841, Peter b. 1846, Mary b 1847, Catherine b 1849, Anne b 1851, John b 1855, Marjory McDougall b 1858 and Archibald b 1861. I am unable to locate them after the 1861 census. Jane married Angus MacQuilkan, and I have information to share about their daughter Jane's family. I would like to get more information about Jane's siblings, their families, her parents, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii

Hello: Don't know if this helps but there is a book (which I am trying to get a hold of) written by a McKellar. It is called "The Kilmartin Pioneers" and apparently documents the immigrants from Kilmartin Scotland to Elgin County Ontario and vicinity. I would expect the author might have McKellar information. Margaret in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: <KADICA@aol.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Mary Wier > I am looking for information on Mary Wier b. 12 Jan 1789, ch 23 Jan 1789 in > Dunoon And Kilmun Argyll Scotland. She was the daughter of John Wier and Ann > NcKellar (McKellar). > > I believe she may be the Mary Wier who married Dougald McKellar and > immigrated to Canada with at least two of their children: Isabella who > married Duncan McKellar and Euphemia who married Dugald McKellar (brothers). > Both these families lived in Elgin County Ontario before coming to > Titabawassee Township, Saginaw Co, Michigan. > Dougald died in Elgin County but I have not found a death or burial for Mary. > > > > I believe Dougald and Mary Wier's eldest child was b in Dunoon in 1814. > > Karen McKellar > > ______________________________

Hi Anne: It looks like the same couple. The Elgin County Genealogical Society have transcribed many of the cemeteries and some of the monuments contain helpful details. If you find where they are buried (via the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid which is searchable) and then look for transcriptions, you may find some details you don't have. There is a Black's cemetery in the Aldborough area. Good luck Margaret in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Reynolds" <annereynolds@rogers.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Donald McAlpin and Elizabeth Black > Is anyone researching this couple? > > Donald McAlpin who married Elizabeth Black 13 Feb 1807 in Glassary, Argyll > > I am wondering if these are the same people as my Donald McAlpin b. 1787 in > N. Knapdale d. 1859 in Aldborough Twp, Ont. who married Betsy Black b. abt > 1788 d. bef 1871 in Aldborough Twp. Ontario. Could this be a possibility? > > It is believed that Donald was the son of Alexander McAlpin and Katherine > McInterand. Betsy's parents are unknown. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Anne Reynolds > Mt. Albert, Ontario > > ______________________________

on 30/1/03 1:47 pm, ian.hopkins at ian.hopkins@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently found that my MCGILP ancestors were originally McKILLOP.There is > also the MACGILP variation. > > My family came from the KILFINAN parish from about 1830,before this they were > in SOUTH KNAPDALE. > Hi Helen, I have a 'twig' on my MCPHAIL tree which includes a MCGILP. Sarah MCPHAIL married John SINCLAIR in 1860 in Lochgilphead. Their youngest of 6 children was Lachlan SINCLAIR who married Jane MCGILP in 1910. All I know about Jane is that she was born in 1880. Regards, Penuel Ellis-Brown ( Mrs ) Web-site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~penuel/index.htm Argyll-Glassary Parish ( Kilmartin, Lochgilphead, Ballimore ) SMITH / MCPHAIL / DEWAR

Hi Laura, They are only maybe`s!! MacKinnon probably from Kintyre. Cummin from anywhere over there. Their births would have been mid 1700`s. After that they were on the Isle of Arran. Have been told that folks sailed regularly from Arran to Campbeltown, but am not sure if this Campbeltown was in Argyll. Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Irwins" <rirwin@dowco.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: SCT-ARGYLL-D Digest V03 #17 > Linda; > What names are you researching from Campbeltown? > Laura > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SCT-ARGYLL-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:01 PM > Subject: SCT-ARGYLL-D Digest V03 #17 > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ***************************************************************** > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the > GenConnect board for Argyll >

Be sure to look for SINCLAIR and even SINKLER when you research St. CLAIR. Sheila

Elizabeth and Ginny, you inquired about my McKAYS: Gilbert McKay m. Janet SMITH in 1798 in Houston & Killiallan, Renfrewshire. Gilbert was from the Isle of Islay, had moved to Renfrewshire in the latter part of the 1700s. I know nothing about his family in Argyll, except that they were Protestant. The only male names I have to work with are Gilbert and Dugald. The McKay/Smith children, born in Renfrewshire: Gilbert MCKAY & Janet SMITH | Mary MCKAY (25 Jun 1800 - 29 Apr 1872) & James LAWSON (About 1798 - Before 30 Mar 1851) | Isabell MCKAY (27 Sep 1802 - ) | Sarah MCKAY (8 Oct 1804 - Before 20 Jul 1806) | Sarah MCKAY (20 Jul 1806 - ) | Dougald MCKAY (25 Jan 1808 - Aug 1848) & Ann Jenkins | Janet MCKAY (5 Nov 1809 - ) | Helen MCKAY (About 1817 - ) | Helen MCKAY (7 Sep 1818 - ) Mary in Kentucky > > G'day Mary, > Just wondering who your Mackays were. > > Mine are of the Free Church > > NEIL MACKAY b: 1760 M CATHERINE CARMICHAEL b abt: 1770 . they stayed on > the island though, but maybe some of the family moved over to the mainland. > do you recognise these people? > regards, > Elizabeth. > ~~~ > > Mary, I am a descant of a McKay also. My grt grt grt was Finlay McKay from Bowmore Parrish. Who isyour grandfather? I am very interested in any information that you may have and will share with you any information that I have. Ginny Christensen

Hello from Australia. Searching for something on my great grandfather James St.Clair Matheson, born Campbelltown 25.5.1860, and adopted to a Charles and Margaret Forsyth as a baby. We found him on 1861 and a later census, but have been able to go no further. I would appreciate any help, or some rain, whichever comes first. Hope it isn't a dry debate, Linda Hepburn, Rosewood, Queensland, Australia

Hi, I've recently found that my MCGILP ancestors were originally McKILLOP.There is also the MACGILP variation. My family came from the KILFINAN parish from about 1830,before this they were in SOUTH KNAPDALE. Does anyone out there recognise any names???? Best wishes, Helen.

I am looking for information on Mary Wier b. 12 Jan 1789, ch 23 Jan 1789 in Dunoon And Kilmun Argyll Scotland. She was the daughter of John Wier and Ann NcKellar (McKellar). I believe she may be the Mary Wier who married Dougald McKellar and immigrated to Canada with at least two of their children: Isabella who married Duncan McKellar and Euphemia who married Dugald McKellar (brothers). Both these families lived in Elgin County Ontario before coming to Titabawassee Township, Saginaw Co, Michigan. Dougald died in Elgin County but I have not found a death or burial for Mary. I believe Dougald and Mary Wier's eldest child was b in Dunoon in 1814. Karen McKellar

Is anyone researching this couple? Donald McAlpin who married Elizabeth Black 13 Feb 1807 in Glassary, Argyll I am wondering if these are the same people as my Donald McAlpin b. 1787 in N. Knapdale d. 1859 in Aldborough Twp, Ont. who married Betsy Black b. abt 1788 d. bef 1871 in Aldborough Twp. Ontario. Could this be a possibility? It is believed that Donald was the son of Alexander McAlpin and Katherine McInterand. Betsy's parents are unknown. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Anne Reynolds Mt. Albert, Ontario