----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachie Macquarie" <boorach@mail.rootsweb.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ARGYLL] Spelling > Jean Reynolds <Jean.Reynolds1@Btinternet.com> sgrìobh, > >The name is Ulva and it is a small island to the west side of the Isle of > >Mull > > > >Jean > > > Uluvalt is also a township at the top of Loch Scridain, God only knows > if Allratt could be transmogrified into Uluvalt, as Bjork says, > "possibly maybe". > > >> Hi Jim > >> > >> ' .. a Flora McPhail born at Uluvalt, sometimes Ulvalt, on > >> Mull. Is it possible that Allratt could be Ulvalt?' > >> > >> Anything is possible in interpreting hanbdwriting. Also, some of > >> these records were dodgily recorded in the first place with someone > >> unfamiliar interpreting oral information. > >> > >> You can also have someone 'official' translating gaelic into english > >> .. or somewhere in between. > >> > >> Anne Maye > > -- > Lachie Macquarie > Nauta agricolae malam puellam dat? >

Hi Jim ' .. a Flora McPhail born at Uluvalt, sometimes Ulvalt, on Mull. Is it possible that Allratt could be Ulvalt?' Anything is possible in interpreting hanbdwriting. Also, some of these records were dodgily recorded in the first place with someone unfamiliar interpreting oral information. You can also have someone 'official' translating gaelic into english .. or somewhere in between. Anne Maye

< www.obantimes.co.uk > The Oban Times newspaper does a special feature on readers Old Photographs, I am sure they would love to include your pictures with the information you have, this might assist you in identifying other persons at the Picnics. Jimmy McPherson >From: "Donald Tryk" <esquipi@sofnet.com> >To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ARGYLL] sunday school picnics >Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:30:49 -0600 > >Hi, listers, > I have three old photos of Sunday School picnics in Oban. I believe >the >groups were from the Church of Scotland, not the Free Church. One group >shot >must have been taken in about 1898. The other two shots were taken the same >day (everyone had the same outfit on) at Dunolly Castle. I think these were >taken about 1901. > The Sunday School teacher is the same man -- slender, with a neat dark >beard -- in both years. (My mother identified him many years ago, but I'm >afraid I don't recall his name.) > I have just one positive ID for the earlier group, and three "maybes." > In the later group, I can ID three people: Daisy MENZIES, Chrissie >MENZIES and Ala MENZIES. > If you think your ancestor was in one of these picnic photos, I can >send >you a scan. (I can't send an attachment to the Rootsweb list, but only to >an >individual's email address.) Please put "picnic scan" in your subject line, >and the year you are interested in. These pictures are in jpg format. >Sheila > > > > > >==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== >***************************************************************** >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the >GenConnect board for Argyll > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Looking for Mary DICKSON, my great-grandmother's aunt, that lived in Helensburgh, Scotland as of 1897. I found an old letter written to my great-grandmother Jeanette Ballantyne George describing life in Helensburgh, the weather, etc., but would like any info anybody can find. She was elderly in 1897, so maybe an obit? Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for her, and the only name I have for her husband is the initial "A" Any help greatly appreciated! Shari in Ohio, USA

Linda Beck wrote : > I am trying to find out information on Margaret Campbell b. 1773 > and Peter Fletcher b.1769 who were married in 1786 in Kilfinan. > They had a daughter Margaret Fletcher born in 1795. I think this is her family : Peter FLETCHER b 1761 Balvina, Kilfinan ARL m 20/4/1786 Kilfinan ARL Margaret/Peggy CAMPBELL b 1765 Kilfinan ARL children : 1. Catharine c 9/3/1788 Kilfinan ARL 2. Isobel c 17/11/1789 Kilfinan ARL 3. Duncan c 30/10/1792 Kilfinan ARL 4. Margaret c 1795 Kilfinan ARL m 23/10/1819 Cardross DNB Robert GALL c 2/12/1798 Alloa CLA d 1868 VIC Aus p Robert GALL + Margaret MAILLOR 5. Anne c 7/1/1798 Kilfinan ARL 6. Christina c 5/4/1801 Kilfinan ARL If she contacts me off list I will give her details of someone who also has/had an interest in Margaret FLETCHER. Best Wishes Les

Hi Listers http://www.argyllroots.co.uk Thought you might like to know of this new web-site for Argyll. It has been set up by (Ayrshire man) Alex Wright who has lived in Oban for a number of years. He hopes in due course to add War Memorial and Cemetery/Burial Ground inscriptions. I recommend that you pay a visit to this website, in its infancy. If Alex manages to get upto the standard of the Mull genealogy website he'll be doing well. I wish him luck. Best wishes Les . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Listers, This is my first time here and I am trying to find out information on Margaret Campbell b. 1773 and Peter Fletcher b.1769 who were married in 1786 in Kilfinan. The story goes that she came from the castle and he was a groom. Her family disowned her and they had a daughter Margaret Fletcher born in 1795. an anyone help please Linda Paraburdoo Western Australia

1. FLORA MCPHAIL Pedigree Female Birth: 1828 Allratt, , Argyll, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial: Les, Details above. I know very little about how the IGI was created, is it possible that these entries are sometimes down to someone's interpretation of poor handwriting? Further research, after my original e-mail, revealed a Flora McPhail born at Uluvalt, sometimes Ulvalt, on Mull. Is it possible that Allratt could be Ulvalt? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Les HORN [mailto:Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 03 April 2003 08:56 To: Jim McPhail Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] IGI Hi Jim I presume this is an Argyll place. an you give me details of the IGI entry and I'll see if I can figure it out. Regards Les Onich Inverness-shire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McPhail" <jimmac@clara.co.uk> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] IGI Hello I know it's often unreliable, but I found an entry for a possible relative on the IGI where it gives the place of birth as Allratt, which I can't find any trace of. Anyone have any ideas? Jim ______________________________

Hi, listers, I have three old photos of Sunday School picnics in Oban. I believe the groups were from the Church of Scotland, not the Free Church. One group shot must have been taken in about 1898. The other two shots were taken the same day (everyone had the same outfit on) at Dunolly Castle. I think these were taken about 1901. The Sunday School teacher is the same man -- slender, with a neat dark beard -- in both years. (My mother identified him many years ago, but I'm afraid I don't recall his name.) I have just one positive ID for the earlier group, and three "maybes." In the later group, I can ID three people: Daisy MENZIES, Chrissie MENZIES and Ala MENZIES. If you think your ancestor was in one of these picnic photos, I can send you a scan. (I can't send an attachment to the Rootsweb list, but only to an individual's email address.) Please put "picnic scan" in your subject line, and the year you are interested in. These pictures are in jpg format. Sheila

Hello readers I am new to this list, and have joined to see if anyone out there can help with a brick wall I have encountered I am looking for the parents and siblings of a Sarah McIntyre born according to family history and the IGI 1802 in Argyll Scotland, she married a Duncan McKinlay 1822 in Aldborough township Elgin County Ontario Canada regards Malcolm

Hello List! I am new to this list, and am anxious to learn all I can about my Great-grandfather's land of birth. WILLIAM MCNICOLL was born Nov 1853 in Glenaray, Argyll In the 1881 Census, he was a 'workman' at a Private House in Inishail. In 1888, he left Scotland and came to the U.S., meeting and marrying a lady named Ida from New York. They then moved to Kansas, and settled on a farm. I can't wait to hear from others who's ancestors came from the same area. I want to know all there is to know about ARGYLL! Denise

Me again with another CAMERON query. One of my McLACHLAN girls (daughter of the couple mentioned in earlier email) married a William Flint CAMERON in Dunedin, New Zealand. They had no issue. I found William christened - 12 June 1837, Morvern, Argyllshire. Same place that his wife was apparently born. He appears to be the son of Allan CAMERON and Sarah CAMERON. William came to NZ sometime before 1862 - have yet to find out exact date. I was unable to find any of his possibly siblings in the Scottish 1881 Census - so wondered if all or some of them had travelled to NZ with him. I am unsure when Allan and Sarah CAMERON married - it could be c 1821 or later. Would anyone have access to the 1851 Census for Morvern? Does anyone recognise the above CAMERON couple... Many thanks, in anticipation :-)) Pam New Zealand

Hi, Am still attempting to chip away at my long standing brick wall and wondered if anyone can help me shed some light on this family. I have: Donald McLACHLAN md to Ann CAMERON in 1826, Torosay. Their next appearance in my research is: 1851 CENSUS Farm of Lower Achnaha Donald MCLACHLAN - age 52 - Shepherd - born Morvern Ann (Cameron) - wife - 46 - born Morvern Alexander, son - 22 - born Torosay Flory, dau - 20 - born Morvern Ann, dau 11 - born Morvern Janet, dau - 9 - born Ardnamurchan Janet was known as 'Jessie' and I believe their was a son John born c 1832 who may have died prior to 1851. I understand they may have lived in the parish? of Glendrian in 1841. I also believe there were two couples in Glendrian by these names. The family emigrated to New Zealand in 1860. Donald's death certificate stated that he was 89yrs of age in 1880 (born c 1792 vs possible c 1798 above), states that he was born Morvern, Argyllshire and that his father was John CAMERON. Mother's name unknown. Ann CAMERON's death certificate has her aged 75yrs of age in 1876 (c1801 vs c1804 above), she was also born Morvern - her parents being John CAMERON and Flora McDONALD. Would be eternally grateful if anyone can help me or push me in a direction that could help me find them in 1841 and perhaps find their respective families. I have tried the IGI without success and so far have no had much success searching these names with much success on the Scotlandpeoples site. Thanks, in anticipation. :-)) Pam New Zealand

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Hello I know it’s often unreliable, but I found an entry for a possible relative on the IGI where it gives the place of birth as Allratt, which I can’t find any trace of. Anyone have any ideas? Jim

Hi Bruce Thanks for checking. It was worth a try. Ida Bruce Campbell wrote: > > Hello Ida, > can't help much, I'm afraid. > However; > 1. the MacArthurs are an extremely famous piping family. They appeared in > Mull, Skye and also on the mainland and a branch of them were hereditary > pipers to the MacDonalds. VERY famous. Your one isn't listed amongst my > records there.

Hello Ida, can't help much, I'm afraid. However; 1. the MacArthurs are an extremely famous piping family. They appeared in Mull, Skye and also on the mainland and a branch of them were hereditary pipers to the MacDonalds. VERY famous. Your one isn't listed amongst my records there. 2. the reference to the 'Queens Band' has me stumped. In that era, before civilian pipe bands had been thought of, a 'band of pipers' was usually three or more. It was customary for the lairds to employ pipers to work their estate and then in the summer months they would also entertain the guests at dinner parties and the like, and play in 'the band' if they had a few like the big ones such as the Earl of Breadalbane had. In the 1840s Queen Victoria first expressed her interest in pipers and recruited Angus MacKay (very famous) as her head piper. However, she also used other pipers on her estate at Balmoral. But other than that there was nothing called the 'Queens band'. Hope this helps a wee bit. regards Bruce Campbell >From: Ida & Merle King <m_iking@telusplanet.net> >To: fingalsweeping@hotmail.com >Subject: Mull Pipers ? >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:11:50 -0700 > >Hi Bruce > >I hope you don't mind the intrusion here..It probably has nothing to do >with your recent posting. When you mention pipers it peeked my interest >though. > >I was once told that one of my ancestors James McArthur b Apr 21 1806 in >Tirergain/Tir Fheargain (sp), Kilfinchen parish, Isle of Mull, s/o John >& Mary (McPhee) played the bag pipes in the Queens Band. The story goes >on to say that when James McArthur came to Canada in Jun 1849 that he >had to sell his bagpipes in Toronto. To help his family start a new life >here..The person died shortly after she sent this information. So my >hope is maybe you'll have some knowledge of him. > >Respectfully >Ida > >Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:04:01 +0000 > From: "Bruce Campbell" <fingalsweeping@hotmail.com> > To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi Sheila, >they have a web site at www.obangames.com >The last time I looked it didn't have any dancing but has the list of >winners of the Piobaireachd Gold Medal. >Your Cameron was a famous piper, as well as a dancer. Most of the >dancers of >that period were also pipers, women of course were not allowed to >compete. >There were a few Alex Camerons, the one you are looking for is Alick >Cameron, sometimes called Sandy, sometimes Alex or Alexander. George >McLennan wrote a great tune for him called Alick Cameron, Champion >Piper. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

Hi Jimmy, no it doesn't. It features the March of the Stewards to the games field which is quite spectacular in its own right. The competing pipers march in the front with the winner of the Gold Medal the day before acting as pipe major. Heading the stewards, usually, is the Duke of Argyll who is also games president. They had a bit of a gliche last year because they apparently didn't get a police permit for the march and it only got the ok at the very last moment. Clan Campbell, however, has a huge presence with their banners all over the 'hill'. Celtic World carried a photo of the Duke of Argyll with Gold Medalist Iain Spiers on its fron cover in September. Inveraray Highland Games is probably the more representative of a Clan Campbell gathering, although it isn't officially so. Last year I found myself standing at one time in the company of five Campbells; Tom, from USA, Diarmid, so well known to modenr day Campbells, Sir Alastair of Airds, myself and the Duke of Argyll. It was the first time in my life that I have ever only been in the company of five who were all Campbells. regards Bruce Campbell >From: "Jimmy McPherson" <templar_bb2461314@hotmail.com> >To: fingalsweeping@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/ Clan campbell >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:11:10 +0000 > >Hi Bruce can you tell me does the Oban games feature a parade of "The Clan >Campbell Association" from Oban town centre to the the games field. > >Jimmy Mcpherson > > > > > > >From: "Bruce Campbell" <fingalsweeping@hotmail.com> >>To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games >>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:04:01 +0000 >> >>Hi Sheila, >>they have a web site at www.obangames.com >>The last time I looked it didn't have any dancing but has the list of >>winners of the Piobaireachd Gold Medal. >>Your Cameron was a famous piper, as well as a dancer. Most of the dancers >>of that period were also pipers, women of course were not allowed to >>compete. >>There were a few Alex Camerons, the one you are looking for is Alick >>Cameron, sometimes called Sandy, sometimes Alex or Alexander. George >>McLennan wrote a great tune for him called Alick Cameron, Champion Piper. >>There was a story doing the rounds that he was a better piper than dancer. >>McLennan, one of the great names in Scottish music composition scotched >>that story with his title. >>I edit a Scottish magazine and also write on piping - I have a great deal >>of info on the Camerons. (piping). I can't promise to be quick but will >>happily share what I have. I'd also be very interested in what you collect >>about his dancing - Highland dancing material is like hen's teeth. >>regards >>Bruce Campbell ><esquipi@sofnet.com> >>>To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games >>>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:50:25 -0600 >>> >>>Does anyone know where records of winners at the Argyllshire >>>Gathering/Oban >>>Games might be kept? I am particularly looking for any mention of a >>>dancer >>>named Alexander (Sandy) Cameron in the late 1800s, probably 1870 to 1900. >>>Sheila >http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb >>site >> > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

It's very last minute, but someone may be able to attend. Eileen Delivered with my NY Times today is a travel brochure "Scotland Comes To New York". In it they state they have set up a website : www.ancestralscotland.com and announce they will have seminars at the NY Genealogy & Biographical Society in New York City, Sunday, Mar 30th (today), with experts on all things genealogical and Scottish. TOPICS WILL INCLUDE: How to research your Scottish roots in Scotland & NY Debunking Scottish myths and discovering the real Scotland Seminars will take place throughout the day. Participants will have opportunities for one-to-one advice sessions and the chance to win a trip for 2 to Scotland on Icelandair,plus 4 nights at Channings, a top Edinburgh hotel.

Hi Bruce I read your answer to Sheila. I too have an Alexander (Alex, Sandy) Cameron, not the same one(my Gt Gt grandfather). He came to New Zealand from Argyll around 1859 and his fiancé Elizabeth Taylor from Fort William joined him in 1863. They had 10 children, which included 5 sons who were champion pipers. They were Alexander Taylor Cameron, Duncan Cameron, Donald Cameron, John Cameron and William Cameron. Johnny was New Zealand champion. He was pursued by record companies and requests to travel, but he turned it all down. He enjoyed competing and devoted his talents to teaching the pipes. Alexander Taylor Cameron wrote music for the pipes much of which is published. Duncan also taught the pipes. They played the pipes all their lives. Their parents built a special room on the house just for the boys to play their pipes with a high ceiling, fireplace at one end and nothing else. Elizabeth Taylor's mother had been Margaret (Peggy) Cameron and apparently it was Elizabeth's influence that bought the pipes to the boys. I have not been able to make a connection however. When you mentioned Cameron pipers I just had to ask if you have ever heard of my Camerons or their music. Regards Penny New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Campbell [mailto:fingalsweeping@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 23:04 To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games Hi Sheila, they have a web site at www.obangames.com The last time I looked it didn't have any dancing but has the list of winners of the Piobaireachd Gold Medal. Your Cameron was a famous piper, as well as a dancer. Most of the dancers of that period were also pipers, women of course were not allowed to compete. There were a few Alex Camerons, the one you are looking for is Alick Cameron, sometimes called Sandy, sometimes Alex or Alexander. George McLennan wrote a great tune for him called Alick Cameron, Champion Piper. There was a story doing the rounds that he was a better piper than dancer. McLennan, one of the great names in Scottish music composition scotched that story with his title. I edit a Scottish magazine and also write on piping - I have a great deal of info on the Camerons. (piping). I can't promise to be quick but will happily share what I have. I'd also be very interested in what you collect about his dancing - Highland dancing material is like hen's teeth. regards Bruce Campbell >From: "Donald Tryk" <esquipi@sofnet.com> >To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ARGYLL] Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:50:25 -0600 > >Does anyone know where records of winners at the Argyllshire Gathering/Oban >Games might be kept? I am particularly looking for any mention of a dancer >named Alexander (Sandy) Cameron in the late 1800s, probably 1870 to 1900. >Sheila > > > > >==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== >********************************************************************* >GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp