I also belong to the Lanark list, and they are listing the names that they have found on their GRO images in case they can help someone else. Following are persons listed on my GRO death pages. If you see a name you would like more information for, please contact me. GRO Deaths Argyll District of Campbelltown 1919 McKINLAY - Margaret McLACHLAN - Ann SMITH - Mary District of Jura 1906 McCONNELL - Mary McARTHUR - Donald McNEILL - Duncan District of Lochgilphead 1895 MURPHY - Catherine McGILP - Ann McINTYRE - Jessie Parish of Colonsay and Oronsay 1875 McGILVRAY - Ann McKINNON - Sarah McLELLAN - John 1877 BUIE - Hester McCANNEL - Mirren McNEILL - Ann 1889 MARTIN - Malcolm McCANNEL - Archibald McCRAIG - Lachlane 1926 McMILLAN - John McCONNELL - Alexander DARROCH - Mary Lori Herman North Vancouver, BC

Some death records I gathered today posted below. I hope if any of you find time, you might share the info on certs that you have. Several of these link into my family groups, some were just on the same pages. Happy hunting. Joy, USA Kilbrandon & Kilchattan parish McQueen, John 33, single Mar 24 1856, Easdale, paralysis Father: Peter McQueen, Carpenter M: Catherine m.s. Johnston buried @ churchyard Kilbrandon as cert. by Donald McQueen, Brother Dugald McDougall, Inkeeper Apr 3 1856 10:am 68 yrs Colic, 12 hrs., Samuel McDougall, son present (does not give name of wife) Father: Hugh McDougall, farmer, dec. M: Annabell McDougall (her m.s. also) A.D. McIntyre, M. D. buried chruchyard @ Kilbrandon, cert. by James McDougall, son. MCKICHAN, Helen 24 single Apr 3 1856, 12:40 pm @ Balvicar Father: John McKichan, wright, dec. M: Helen m.s. McQueen buried churchyard @ Kilbrandon cert by Duncan McKichan, brother. MUNN, Mary housekeeper 99 yrs. widow of Alex Munn, Railway guard Apr 6 1926 Father: Duncan McColl, dec. salmon fisher M: Catherine m.s. Sinclair dec. reported by Duncan McColl, brother JOHNSTON, John farmer single 61 yrs, Jul 29 1926 Father: Alex Johnston dec. M: Elizabeth m.s. McInnes reported by Donald McIntyre, cousin #36 Easdale NEWTON, Jessie Apr 20, 1926 Age 51 Kilbride farm widow of Robert Newton, general Merchant Father: Alex Johnston dec M: Elizabeth m.s. McInnes dec. Reported by John Johnston, brother Hillhead Burgh of Glasgow ~ Jan 11, 1920 NEWTON, Robert, 43 merchant, Bay Cottage, Townnuilt(Taynuilt?), cancer of stomach & intestine reported by widow JOHNSTON, Jessie, present Father: Robert Newton, grocer, dec. M: Agnes Russell dec. Jan 12, 1920 GRAY, Thomas, single 28, Public Bath Attendant, 165 Fleming St. North,, heart failure & bronchitis. by John Gray, brother #5 Fleming St. Father: GRAY, Alex, dec. M: DIBBLE?, Mary Jan 11, 1920 MCIVER, Malcom, glazier, single, 33, fracture of ribs/shock 5 Shandon St. Father: McIver, Malcom, dec. M: McLeod, Catherine

Hi Jimmy, No update ever received from Oxford Uni. Sheena. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy McPherson" <templar_bb2461314@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] DNA sampling for family history > I read that a couple of years ago that Clans Macleod and Macdonald were > taking part in DNA Y chromosome family history research under "Oxford > Ancestors" > and I wondered if anyone knows how the results turned out? > > The object was to see how many if any could be related to there respective > clan chiefs and each other. > Has anyone any information on this particular research program? > > Testing is done on males for the Y test to determine ancestors. > > As a matter of interest how many people would be interested in taking part > in a test for The Macpherson family, if this test was offered. > > Jimmy McPherson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html > >

HI ! I have a file on all of this, I plugged away and put it on a tree, by all accounts my Campbell's trace back to all of this sort of stuff , back to Umpteen ,Kings of Scotland and so on, BUT ! as far as the accuracy is concerned, I wouldn't have a clue, but if you want to contact me of List I will send you an Rtf File on what I have built to date. Yes , I do have the names you mention on that file, but again I have to say this is only from the man / woman, in the IGI, though at the bottom of my file there are some parts that are in agreement with notes found elsewhere. Regards Stewart Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Crinan Mac Duncan > Crinan is also called Grimus in a few Latin text. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:33 PM > Subject: [ARGYLL] Crinan Mac Duncan > > > Looking for information on a 9th century ancestor named Albanach or Crinan > Mac Duncan. He married Bethoc MacKenneth daughter of Malcolm II MacKenneth > King of Picts and Scots. > Thank you > > Jacob L. Bateman III or Le > Montgmery, Alabama > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************* > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site > >

I have definitely found Donald & Daniel interchanged in my family--also Patrick & Peter. A couple others I've come across and Agnes & Nancy & Ann, also to my confusion Sarah & Marion. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Taylor" <martyntaylor@msn.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > As well as Sarah's useful summary, and David's reference to McKINVEN > LOVE, > I can offer the following: > > MacILHERAN (and similar) > SHARP (confirmed by George Black's book) and (a > Christian name) Gilnive > Edward. > > Two other examples of interchangeable Christian names where the former > version still survives are Padraig, Patrick, etc/Peter, and Daniel/Donald. > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Galbraith" <sarah.galbraith@appleton.globalnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > I've had a couple of requests to list some of the Gaelic to English name > changes in south Argyll, mainly Kintyre, so I'm summarising them here > > <snip> > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/8997/index.html an index to "THE INHABITANTS OF ARGYLL ESTATE" by Eric Greegan : Duke of Argyll's 1779 estate census >

I don't have any information about the current research but Clan Galbraith is proposing a DNA testing project. Information about it will be published in the September Issue of the "Red Tower" which is the Clan Galbraith Newsletter. They too will be using the Male Y chromosome. I find it interesting as some researchers claim that you only really know who your mother is. <Grin> perhaps that is why they are testing the males? Mary

Crinan is also called Grimus in a few Latin text. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Crinan Mac Duncan Looking for information on a 9th century ancestor named Albanach or Crinan Mac Duncan. He married Bethoc MacKenneth daughter of Malcolm II MacKenneth King of Picts and Scots. Thank you Jacob L. Bateman III or Le Montgmery, Alabama ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm

As well as Sarah's useful summary, and David's reference to McKINVEN > LOVE, I can offer the following: MacILHERAN (and similar) > SHARP (confirmed by George Black's book) and (a Christian name) Gilnive > Edward. Two other examples of interchangeable Christian names where the former version still survives are Padraig, Patrick, etc/Peter, and Daniel/Donald. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Galbraith" <sarah.galbraith@appleton.globalnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > I've had a couple of requests to list some of the Gaelic to English name changes in south Argyll, mainly Kintyre, so I'm summarising them here <snip>

It is the area covering Oban and the area south of Oban towards Lochgilphead Cheers Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMc9087913@aol.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: Kilmore-Kilbride > > Can someone clear up my question? My great great grandfather and his > brothers and sisters were all christian in the Kilmore-Kilbride Parish. I would > like to know what Town, City or Village this Parish is located in. > > Thank you, > Dee at DMc9087913@aol.com > > ______________________________

I read that a couple of years ago that Clans Macleod and Macdonald were taking part in DNA Y chromosome family history research under "Oxford Ancestors" and I wondered if anyone knows how the results turned out? The object was to see how many if any could be related to there respective clan chiefs and each other. Has anyone any information on this particular research program? Testing is done on males for the Y test to determine ancestors. As a matter of interest how many people would be interested in taking part in a test for The Macpherson family, if this test was offered. Jimmy McPherson _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Dee wrote >Can someone clear up my question? My great great grandfather and his > brothers and sisters were all christian in the Kilmore-Kilbride Parish. >I would know what Town, City or Village this Parish is located in. Kilmore & Kilbride (Parish #523) is in the county of Argyll and is centered upon the town of Oban together with the Island of Kerrera. It stretches from Loch Etive, in the north, to Loch Feochan, in the south. If Dee contacts me off-list, and gives me details, I may well be able to identify where his/her great great grandfather and his brothers and sisters came from. Best Wishes Les

Here are the two census records. Dwelling: Dippen Census Place: Saddell & Skipness, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203560 GRO Ref Volume 531-1 EnumDist 2 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas SEMPLE M 67 M Lesmahagow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 450 Ac Of Which 170 Ar Emp 2 Girls 1 Boy Margaret M. SEMPLE M 61 F Strathaven, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife William SEMPLE U 19 M Killninion, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Henry SEMPLE U 16 M Killninion, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Grace J. ARMSTRONG M 31 F Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Dau Maggie M. ARMSTRONG 7 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: G Dau Occ: Scholar Mary ARMSTRONG 4 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: G Dau Robert ARMSTRONG 2 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: G Son Maggie MC QUEEN U 21 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Gen Ser Christina SEMPLE U 18 F Prestwick, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Gen Ser ----------------------------- Dwelling: Rhonadale Census Place: Saddell & Skipness, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203560 GRO Ref Volume 531-1 EnumDist 4 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Richard SEMPLE M 34 M Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 3120 Ac Of Which 120 Ar Emp 2 Men 2 Girls Mary SEMPLE M 25 F Saddell, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife James SEMPLE U 22 M Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Farmers Brother Shepherd Donald GALBRAITH U 18 M Saddell, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Farm Ser Mary MC CONECHY U 42 F Saddell, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Dairymaid Mary GALBRAITH U 16 F Saddell, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Gen Ser -- Jo-Ann Croft

Looking for information on a 9th century ancestor named Albanach or Crinan Mac Duncan. He married Bethoc MacKenneth daughter of Malcolm II MacKenneth King of Picts and Scots. Thank you Jacob L. Bateman III or Le Montgmery, Alabama

It is rather difficult to explain in words exactly where Kilmore and Kilbride. It is a country area and the modern town of Oban is situated in it. (Oban was a very small village until it began to develop as a port in the later 18th century.) You should be able to find Oban on any reasonably large map of Scotland. Another way of seeing the position of the parish on a very simple map is to do the following: Go to <A HREF="http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map">http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map</A> Click on Maps of Scotland Then click Geographic area Then click Scotland You will get a list of maps of Scotland Look for 1825 Arrowsmith, Aaron Eclesiastical Map of Scotland and click on it You will be asked the size you want and click on 'large' When the map appears click on the map itself to enlarge it until you can identify Argyll on the left hand side. Then click in Argyll until you can read the words Presbytery of Lorn Click somewhere near these words and the map will be large enough for you to read the name Kilmore. This gives you a location for the parish on a very simple map which has only the principal old churches. Once you have this you can look for a more detailed map of Argyll on the same website. I suggest the Langlands map which will show you at least some of the townships which lay around Kilmore and have names which you may recognise from the Old Parish Register. Frank Bigwood

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:28:59 EDT, Epaxton@aol.com wrote: >> >>On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:56:30 EDT, DMc9087913@aol.com wrote: >> >> Can someone clear up my question? My great great grandfather and his >>brothers and sisters were all christian in the Kilmore-Kilbride Parish. I would >>like to know what Town, City or Village this Parish is located in. > >I'm not sure where exactly this Parish is, but the Statistical Accounts that >are on-line, should show you where the different parishes were/are. >Sorry but I can't find the URL - a Google search should find it -it's >Edinburgh Uni., I recollect. See http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp, posted earlier today by Lou Ritter in response to a different query. Excellent resource. However, I did some searching via Google (www.google.com) and turned up a post to this list in 2001 which refers to this parish as being in Oban (see http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-ARGYLL/2001-01/0979663949 for the original post). Another post, "Graveyard Inscriptions Kilmore & Kilbride" in 2000 (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-ARGYLL/2000-02/0950969429), refers to a lister's visit to the Oban area, and to churchyards there. HTH... Regards, Donna

I would be most grateful for help with the following request from an older friend who does not have 1881 census for Argyll. He write below and the information seems scanty to me! In 1881 my grandfather William Semple was farming "Dippen" at Carradale and his brother was farming "Rhonadale" the adjoining farm . These farms are at Carradale in Kintyre part of Argyllshire. Please could you check for their families in both places. Thank you I did find a William Semple born in 1861 in Kilninian so, if he's the same he'd be about 21. The father was a Thomas SEMPLE mother margaret. That's all I know. Any help would be welcomed! Yours, Jane in Ontario ( for Wm Craig)

I'm not sure where exactly this Parish is, but the Statistical Accounts that are on-line, should show you where the different parishes were/are. Sorry but I can't find the URL - a Google search should find it -it's Edinburgh Uni., I recollect. edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton Anti-Virus 2003

Can someone clear up my question? My great great grandfather and his brothers and sisters were all christian in the Kilmore-Kilbride Parish. I would like to know what Town, City or Village this Parish is located in. Thank you, Dee at DMc9087913@aol.com

I have been embroiled in a one name study on the McKINVEN surname and variants for some years now and would be interested in hearing from list members that may have instances of the surname appearing amongst their own research. I have a large amount of data on those carrying the name particularly from the Kintyre Peninsula and in some cases further afield. More than willing to share my resources. Dave MacKinven Christchurch New Zealand davidj1947@xtra.co.nz

I have some Loves in my Family Tree from Kilberry and Islay whom I believe changed their name from McKinven, but so far have found no evidence of my own to support this. I found another researcher on the Islay list with a common relative (Donald Love who married a Janet McFarlane on Islay around 1843) who mentioned this and George F Black's book on the surnames of Scotland states that MacKinven is a Gaelic rendering of the Ayrshire family name Love. Have you come across people who changed their name from MacKinven to Love and vice versa? David McKee At 16:41 13/07/2003 +1200, you wrote: >I have been embroiled in a one name study on the McKINVEN surname and >variants for some years now and would be interested in hearing from list >members that may have instances of the surname appearing amongst their own >research. > >I have a large amount of data on those carrying the name particularly from >the Kintyre Peninsula and in some cases further afield. More than willing to >share my resources. > >Dave MacKinven >Christchurch >New Zealand >davidj1947@xtra.co.nz > > > >==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== >********************************************************************* >GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html