The Gaelic for Neil is Niall. In Scotland, this is pronounced the same as Neil. In Ireland it seems to be pronounced Nye-all. You may find it occasionally spelt Niel in the older records. I think this is just confusion by the recorder between English and Gaelic spellings. Nigel is the same name and is more common in England. Hope this helps! Chris bcsinclair@kooee.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Salvino" <carolsal@rogers.com> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:59 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: Name "Neil" > > Hi Listers, > > I wonder if anyone knows if there are any different names for "Neil". > > Thanks, > Carol > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > Please remember to send ALL list mail to SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >

Further to this very interesting exchange, I am interested if there are others who have come across the interchange of Mary & Margaret (Peggy) in ARL. I think it has occurred in my family a number of times, probably because of the similarity of the two names in Gaelic to an 'English' ear. Also wondering if anyone has found the use of Sarah & Ann(e) for the same person at different times. Anne Maye.

Thank you to everyone that answered my querie re: the name "Neil". Your help is much appreciated! Regards, Carol

"Ivie" was found, fairly clearly written (well as these things go!), in the 1881 census for Rutherglen (near Glasgow) and correlates with a John listed in the 1891 census. Another researcher told me this was a common use of the name, but I have been unable to corroborate this from any other source. Iain is Gaelic for John and the two names are interchangeable, even in present day Scotland (I have several friends registered as John but known as Iain), although Iain is also used in its own right. Ian is the Anglicised spelling. Chris bcsinclair@kooee.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > I've recently come across Ivor in the OPR. Would this be the same do you > think? > Lou > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Galbraith" <sarah.galbraith@appleton.globalnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > Billy & Chris > > > > Not seen 'Ivie' before, but in modern time Ian is often used as an > > alternative to John, in much the same way that some people whose > 'official' > > name is James, are known to friends and family as Hamish. > > > > Is there any chance that 'Ivie' could be a mis-transcription of 'Ian'? > > > > Regards > > > > Sarah > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Billy & Chris" <bcsinclair@kooee.com.au> > > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > > > > I've also come across these names interchanged. Has anyone else found > > Ivie > > > used for John? > > > > > > Chris > > > bcsinclair@kooee.com.au > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> > > > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > > > > > > > I have definitely found Donald & Daniel interchanged in my > family--also > > > > Patrick & Peter. A couple others I've come across and Agnes & Nancy & > > > Ann, > > > > also to my confusion Sarah & Marion. > > > > Lou > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > > > ******************************************************************* > > > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************* > > GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html > > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

Hi List. Wendy Stevenson wrote : >DNA Testing for tracing Ancestors. >Does anybody know how that works exactly? I can recommend these two websites for starters. However, if you try searching for 'DNA + Genealogy' and "Genetic Testing " you'll get quite a few others. This article is Genetic Testing in layman's terms : http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/articles/riley/riley.html This one is quite good for information despite it being an advert for a commercial outfit : http://www.genetic-identity.com/Ancestry_Testing/ancestry_testing.html Best wishes Les

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but Ivan is the Russian equivalent of John, so it's not difficult to see Ivie creeping into Scotland as another variant of Iain/Ian. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy & Chris" <bcsinclair@kooee.com.au> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > "Ivie" was found, fairly clearly written (well as these things go!), in the > 1881 census for Rutherglen (near Glasgow) and correlates with a John listed > in the 1891 census.

Hi Listers, I wonder if anyone knows if there are any different names for "Neil". Thanks, Carol

Hi all, I have many Ivie's in my family and it is of Ayrshire derivation and can be an alternative to James BUT in Ayrshire it more often as not stands alone as Ivie.(Having said that my Uncle Ivie was christened Mungo) But the name can be found way back in my Ayrshire ancestors.....Brown,Sloan,Bryson,etc.etc. Hope that is of help regards Merrylee

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Billy & Chris Not seen 'Ivie' before, but in modern time Ian is often used as an alternative to John, in much the same way that some people whose 'official' name is James, are known to friends and family as Hamish. Is there any chance that 'Ivie' could be a mis-transcription of 'Ian'? Regards Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy & Chris" <bcsinclair@kooee.com.au> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > I've also come across these names interchanged. Has anyone else found Ivie > used for John? > > Chris > bcsinclair@kooee.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > I have definitely found Donald & Daniel interchanged in my family--also > > Patrick & Peter. A couple others I've come across and Agnes & Nancy & > Ann, > > also to my confusion Sarah & Marion. > > Lou > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************* > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site > > > > >

I've also come across these names interchanged. Has anyone else found Ivie used for John? Chris bcsinclair@kooee.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > I have definitely found Donald & Daniel interchanged in my family--also > Patrick & Peter. A couple others I've come across and Agnes & Nancy & Ann, > also to my confusion Sarah & Marion. > Lou

I've recently come across Ivor in the OPR. Would this be the same do you think? Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Galbraith" <sarah.galbraith@appleton.globalnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > Billy & Chris > > Not seen 'Ivie' before, but in modern time Ian is often used as an > alternative to John, in much the same way that some people whose 'official' > name is James, are known to friends and family as Hamish. > > Is there any chance that 'Ivie' could be a mis-transcription of 'Ian'? > > Regards > > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Billy & Chris" <bcsinclair@kooee.com.au> > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > I've also come across these names interchanged. Has anyone else found > Ivie > > used for John? > > > > Chris > > bcsinclair@kooee.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> > > To: <SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name changes in Southern Argyll > > > > > > > I have definitely found Donald & Daniel interchanged in my family--also > > > Patrick & Peter. A couple others I've come across and Agnes & Nancy & > > Ann, > > > also to my confusion Sarah & Marion. > > > Lou > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > > ******************************************************************* > > http://members.aol.com/theweeharp/argyll.htm is the Argyll GenWeb site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > GenUKI Argyll home page http://www.roe.ac.uk/genuki/argyll/index.html >

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:25:29 -0400, "Donna Lou Ritter" <drlulu@chartermi.net> wrote: >I have been unable to access the site below which has wonderful old maps of >Scotland. They have helped me locate many villages/farms where ancestors >lived. Does anyone know what it going on? I hope they are just "updating" >or something. >http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html >Lou Ritter, Kalamazoo, MI Hmmm... it does seem to be having problems at the moment. As an alternative, you could always try http://www.old-maps.co.uk - provides online access to Ordnance Survey maps between c.1850-1890. Regards, Donna

Just in case you have not yet heard :-) The FreeCen official database is now on line at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ and a number of parishes are available now, fully searchable with more coming on stream shortly. Just click on "Search the Database" on left side of screen. Good Hunting. Mary Coordinator for East Lothian 1841 FreeCensus Project Links to online transcriptions on Web page - www.rootsweb.com/~sctelnfc/east.htm/east.htm

Margaret Kipp suggested 'Just a long shot - but is there any chance that the Minister who baptized the baby was named Hollinsworth? I have observed in our family that the Minister's name is sometimes given, or even the mother's maiden name.' Thank you Margaret for that tip but I have explored it as much as I can at this stage and can't find that connection. It is possible that there is no recorded baptism as the family lived in quite an isolated area in Australia and his father was a drover. He would probably have been baptised by a minister doing his rounds by horseback. So far I have not found a minister of that name of any denomination in this region. Many people living in isolated areas had their children baptised by which ever minister arrived on the scene regardless of denomination, so it involves exploring all the records of church archives for possible notebooks. Anne Maye.

I have been unable to access the site below which has wonderful old maps of Scotland. They have helped me locate many villages/farms where ancestors lived. Does anyone know what it going on? I hope they are just "updating" or something. http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html Lou Ritter, Kalamazoo, MI

I have a hector McLarty b 1819 Campbelltown Arl, son of Duncan McLarty and Jean McGill, who married 1852 in Southend Arl, Catherine Ferguson b 1822 Southend, daughter of Duncan Ferguson & Mary McNaughton, known children are [1] Duncan b 1853 Southend, [2] Mary b 1855 Campbelltown, [3] John b 1858 Campbelltown, [4] Jane b 1860 Campbelltown, married 1887 Greenock Arl, Alexander Reid, son of John Reid and Margaret Reid (M.S. Reid) looking for descendants or any other information

Most of the Old Parochial Records that I have looked at on microfilm record either when the baby is born or baptized or both. Some, however, instead of baptism use the term "registered". The particular records I'm looking at are from Kilcalmonell & Kilberry parish in early 1800s and they all seem to say "registered". Does anyone know if these were actually baptisms, or was it the custom to "register" the birth with the church. Lou Ritter, Kalamazoo, MI MUNRO, MCCOWAN, MCINTYRE, MCPHERSON, CAMPBELL, MCCORQUODALE

Hi All, I am looking for researchers of and descendants of this family Duncan Ferguson b 1776 Comrie Per. marr ? Mary McNaughton b 1790 Kilmadock Per. died 1856 Southend Arl. daughter of Duncan McNaughton and Mary McKinlay; known children are:- [1] Margaret b 1809 Balquhidder [2] Mary b 1815 Balquhidder [3] Catherine b 1822 Southend Arl. m 1852 Hector McLarty [4] Elizabeth b 1826 Southend Arl [5] Duncan b 1827 Southend Arl [6] Jeanie b? m? Alexander Reid anyone know of this family?

Yes Mary, the X test for females is the only truly reliable test because any male could have fertilised the mother whither it be in cases of infidelity or pre marital sex or in less fortunate rape cases. But the Y test for males is the one for testing father to son hopefully not running in to breaks in the line. Jimmy >From: Mary Breer <mbreer@shaw.ca> >To: SCT-ARGYLL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ARGYLL] Re: DNA Testing for tracing Ancestors >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:04:02 -0700 > >I don't have any information about the current research but Clan Galbraith >is proposing a DNA testing project. >Information about it will be published in the September Issue of the "Red >Tower" which is the Clan Galbraith Newsletter. They too will be using the >Male Y chromosome. >I find it interesting as some researchers claim that you only really know >who your mother is. <Grin> perhaps that is why they are testing the males? >Mary > > >==== SCT-ARGYLL Mailing List ==== >***************************************************************** >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Argyll is the >GenConnect board for Argyll > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger