Thank you Ian I am interested in the Archibald listed. Please forgive my novice questions, the Stewart list you were kind enough to give me, are these Heads of households only ? Is there any names of Farms etc. given with each or any other information that would be useful in research? Sorry for all the questions. sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" Stewart > > Hi Shelia, > > There are the following Stewarts :- > > Alexander, Archibald, Donald, Duncan, James, John, Lachlan, Lily, Mary, Peggy, > Robert and William. > > Ian > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

WOW I see alot of them were listed. hello Jen, good old spelling issues. I must confess I don't know which McPhater/ McFattar family I am searching for... I was trying to put the Patton family which I believe McPhater is Gaelic version right? in the Kintyre area I have been trying to find the Parents of a Flora Patton... born abt 1800 died 1825 in Canada..... and also her wedding to an Archibald Stewart born 1792 christened Jan 15 1792 ( Kilcalmonell & Kilberry parish register) parents David Stewart and Eliz McGill..he died 1851 in Canada. Her wedding would have been around 1818. I again thank you for the list of names...perhaps her parents are in that list I will try IGI to see if I can make a connection Cheers Sheila Stewart - Lafleur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Attn,Sheila Lafleur Re: lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" PATON/McFater > Hi Sheila, I have McPhaters, McFattars in my line, and here is a list of > them I copied from the 1792 Census Duke of Argyll Estate. > > There are 3 spellings of the name McFattar, McFatter and McPhatter. > > Where you see the page number repeated ie p 204, then they are in the same > family. Who are you looking for? What parish, time period? Maybe we can > find a tie in. Hope this helps, Jen > > McFattar > > Cathrine McFattar p 204 > Donald p 204 > Duncan p 199 > Isobel p 204 > Janet p 188, 200, 204 > Jean p 155 > John p 165 > Malcom p 199 > Margaret p 199, (2) > Marion p204 > Mary p 199, 204 > Neill p 204 > William p 204 > > McFatter > > Margaret p 42 > > McPhatter, Cathrine, p 108 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:01 PM > Subject: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" PATON/ McFater > > > > Hi list > > > > I wonder is some kind soul would do a lookup to see if this family was on > > the estate during the early census > > > > surname of Patton/ Paton or perhaps McFater/McFhater which was > > translated > > to Paton > > > > Thank you kindly > > > > Sheila Stewart - Lafleur > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you kindly Ian may I bother you for one more surname Stewart Cheers from Canada Sheila Stewart-Lafleur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" PATON/McFater > > Hi Shelia, > > Regret no Patton / Paton / McFater or McFhater are listed. > > Ian > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sheila, I have McPhaters, McFattars in my line, and here is a list of them I copied from the 1792 Census Duke of Argyll Estate. There are 3 spellings of the name McFattar, McFatter and McPhatter. Where you see the page number repeated ie p 204, then they are in the same family. Who are you looking for? What parish, time period? Maybe we can find a tie in. Hope this helps, Jen McFattar Cathrine McFattar p 204 Donald p 204 Duncan p 199 Isobel p 204 Janet p 188, 200, 204 Jean p 155 John p 165 Malcom p 199 Margaret p 199, (2) Marion p204 Mary p 199, 204 Neill p 204 William p 204 McFatter Margaret p 42 McPhatter, Cathrine, p 108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" PATON/ McFater > Hi list > > I wonder is some kind soul would do a lookup to see if this family was on > the estate during the early census > > surname of Patton/ Paton or perhaps McFater/McFhater which was > translated > to Paton > > Thank you kindly > > Sheila Stewart - Lafleur > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > >

Hi list I wonder is some kind soul would do a lookup to see if this family was on the estate during the early census surname of Patton/ Paton or perhaps McFater/McFhater which was translated to Paton Thank you kindly Sheila Stewart - Lafleur

Are there any MacKie's in Argyll?

Hi Jen,thanks anyway. Bob

In a message dated 10/1/2006 11:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am hoping that there is someone on list that can shed light on the > surname > McLeoran. I am anxious to learn it's variations. So far, I have seen > McLeoran, McLeonan, Loran, Lawrin, regarding the same person. I have an > ancestor Flora McLeoran who when I found her death record her father was > called Peter Loran. > Hello Jen, I am researching the McAlonan surname and it's many variations. Wether it originated in Ireland or Scotland has not been completely established, as yet. Although a bit of a stretch, I can see a possible connection to your names listed. Question, is the 1792 Argyll Lit online? If so can you can you send me it's web address? Thank you. Bob McAlonie

Sorry, It is not online. I copied a few of the pgs from a copy of the book. This was quite a few yrs ago. Others on the Argyll list may know how to get a hold of it. regards, Jen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Is McLeoran,McLeonan also McIleonan 1792 Census Duke of Argyll > In a message dated 10/1/2006 11:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> I am hoping that there is someone on list that can shed light on the >> surname >> McLeoran. I am anxious to learn it's variations. So far, I have seen >> McLeoran, McLeonan, Loran, Lawrin, regarding the same person. I have an >> ancestor Flora McLeoran who when I found her death record her father was >> called Peter Loran. >> > > Hello Jen, > > I am researching the McAlonan surname and it's many variations. Wether it > originated in Ireland or Scotland has not been completely established, as > yet. > Although a bit of a stretch, I can see a possible connection to your names > listed. > > Question, is the 1792 Argyll Lit online? If so can you can you send me > it's > web address? > > Thank you. > Bob McAlonie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > >

[email protected] asked > Searching for info on John C. Sinclair, Sr. born in Glenurchy on Oct. 8, 1777. Came to United States prior to 1820 and settled in Robeson County, NC. His wifes name was Nancy and any info on her would be appreciated. Try e-mailing these researchers into the Glenorchy Sinclairs. However,I can't guarantee that their e-mail addresses are still extant :- Sinclair; Glenorchy & Inishail, Inveraray, Dunoon; Any; Juli; [email protected] Sinclair; Glenorchy; before 1823; Marianne; [email protected] Sinclair; Glenorchy; 1750-1890; Jen; [email protected] Regards Les

Hi there, My FLETCHERs of Glenorchy are related to the SINCLAIRs of there - so I'm told. Not sure how just yet. I would just like to add that John SINCLAIR's wife, Nancy, was very likely born Ann. Many Anns in the Highlands were called Nancy. Just thought it might make your search easier if you knew that fact. Mary Fletcher Harris Canada

Sheila Your quest is quite a difficult one as written records for K&K, and other parishes, at the time of your search don't exist or don't provide enough information for positive identification. The names of Flora and Archibald's children may give you a clue as the Scots generally followed a distinct naming pattern. Have you considered that your two Archie's are the same man.....many women died at childbirth and remarriage was common. Regards Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] wedding lookup Flora Patton/Marion Walker / ArchibaldStewart Kilcalmonell > Hi list > > I was wondering if SKS could help me. I am interested in a wedding > Feb > 24, 1811 in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry, Argyll > between a Marion Walker and an Archibald Stewart. > > I would love to learn the name of parents for Archibald Stewart. > > Also a wedding for a Flora Patton & Archibald Stewart abt 1818/1819 > unfortunately that is all the information I have for this couple. > > Any advice greatly appreciated > > Thank you > > Sheila Stewart-Lafleur > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Les-- Nevertheless, in spite of 18th century Scottish literacy, there are many spelling variants of Scottish names, not because the people were illiterate, but because the names were INHERITED from pre-literate, or even Gaelic times. Changing into the King's English was a gradual undertaking. Without belabouring the point, consider the alternate spellings of STUART and STEWART. These people scattered everywhere, but going back 400 years, they all pertain to the same clan. I have a hunch that there was an effort in the early 18th century to normalise spelling to conform to certain British conventions. If you were a conquered Scot willing to oblige, then well your surname was Anglicized. However, if you were of a rebel clan, you could spell your name anyway you cared. Witness the spelling variants of relatives of the Scottish outlaw/patriot Rob Roy McGregor: McGrigor, MacGregor, etc. There is abundant evidence in the literature to prove my point. Additionally, I might add that prior to Samuel Johnson in 1770s Britain and Noah Webster in 1830s America, there was no standard "English". Benjamin Franklin proposed a number of spelling "improvements" for American English, but they are mostly a footnote to history. Cheers, ---Bob Robertson In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:48:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected]o.uk writes: James McPherson wrote : > you have to understand that people in Britain in 18 &19th century were > often illiterate He'll stir a hornets nest up here. Scotland was known to be one of, if not, the best educated Country in Europe in the 18th and 19th Centuries. It prided itself on the education it gave from Primary, at 5yrs, through to University. I can't speak for the rest of Britain. This subject has been discussed at length, if not ad nauseam, on quite a number of Lists. Regards Les

Searching for info on John C. Sinclair, Sr. born in Glenurchy on Oct. 8, 1777. Came to United States prior to 1820 and settled in Robeson County, NC. His wifes name was Nancy and any info on her would be appreciated.

Hi, they don't look as though they are any of mine. My husband and I drove along side the Crinan Canal last year. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] McDOUGALL/McCOLL > Sandy, > > The parents of Finlay McColl were Donald McColl and Margaret McKenzie. > > Info on locations is somewhat lacking; Finlay died in Dalavich, Mary > McCougall died in Dail, Duncan the son of Finlay appears to have lived in > the North Knapdale area and was drowned in the Crinan Canal at Cairnbaan. > > Don > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers Whilst researching in Ardchattan, Muckairn and Inishail recently I was reminded of the following idiosyncrasies in the Censuses. Just the thing to further confuse the researcher :- 1881 Census Ardchattan (504) - EDs 1 to 5 cover north of Loch Etive . - EDs 6 & 7 cover west of Loch Etive . - EDs 8 & 9 cover east of Loch Etive & north of . Loch Awe Muckairn (529) - EDs 1 to 4 cover the whole of Muckairn Parish . - ED 5 covers the Inishail part of Glenorchy & . Inishail Parish (512) 1891 Census Ardchattan (504) - EDs 1 to 6 cover west of Loch Etive . - EDs 7 & 8 cover east of Loch Etive & north of . Loch Awe Muckairn (529) - EDs 1 to 4 cover the whole of Muckairn Parish . - ED 5 covers the Inishail part of Glenorchy & . Inishail Parish (512) 1901 Census Ardchattan (504) - EDs 1 to 6 cover north of Loch Etive Muckairn (529) - EDs 1 to 4 cover the whole of Muckairn Parish . - EDs 5 to 8 cover Ardchattan Parish east & west . of Loch Etive & north of Loch Awe . - ED 9 covers the Inishail part of Glenorchy & . Inishail Parish (512) Hope this helps someone. Les has notified the sender that this message has been received.

Sandy, The parents of Finlay McColl were Donald McColl and Margaret McKenzie. Info on locations is somewhat lacking; Finlay died in Dalavich, Mary McCougall died in Dail, Duncan the son of Finlay appears to have lived in the North Knapdale area and was drowned in the Crinan Canal at Cairnbaan. Don ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

Hi list I was wondering if SKS could help me. I am interested in a wedding Feb 24, 1811 in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry, Argyll between a Marion Walker and an Archibald Stewart. I would love to learn the name of parents for Archibald Stewart. Also a wedding for a Flora Patton & Archibald Stewart abt 1818/1819 unfortunately that is all the information I have for this couple. Any advice greatly appreciated Thank you Sheila Stewart-Lafleur

Do you know the parents of Angus McCOLL and any dates, my McColl's come from Lismore, Argyll. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] McCALLUM/McCOLL > Bill, > > The children of Duncan McColl/Mary McCallum were Neil, Mary, Sarah, Duncan > and Catherine. > > Mary's parents were Angus McCallum and Sarah Black. > > We have different Mary McAllums. > > Good hunting, > > Don > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, The children of Duncan McColl/Mary McCallum were Neil, Mary, Sarah, Duncan and Catherine. Mary's parents were Angus McCallum and Sarah Black. We have different Mary McAllums. Good hunting, Don ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.