Hello Les Helpful as always, Les! Thanks very much. I am actually helping a lady (a Mackellar) from the Australian branch of the family, as well as myself, because she pointed out an error in my tree!!! - much to my mortification!! I have got two Neil McKellars mixed up! It means I probably also have their parents mixed up too! Must say it is easier to make entries on one's software, than to change things!! So I am looking for this Neil's parents now. I'd be really grateful if you could confirm - if you have a spare moment - if what you found about Neil and Anne's children matches what I have below. It will help me set the record straight!! I have Donald b 1/1/1815 Kilchrenan; Catherine b 5/10/1817 Glasgow; Peter b 12/2/1820 Kilchrenan; John b 20/9/1824 South Knapdale; Janet b 3 /10/1830 North Knapdale; Mary b about 1830 don't know where? - and Jessie b 1831 don't know where? -did marry an Aust. and died there. Neil 15/12 1832 don't know where? married a g grandparent of the lady in Oz; Dugald b 1835 where? - died in Oz. They are all her family members and I believe we are related!! Thanks very much Regards from a very windy NZ Lorna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Advice re place names > Lorna asked > >> I need to know if anyone has heard of the following two places which >> relate >> to the marriage of Neil McKellar and Ann Sinclair Feb 3 1814 in Argyll. >> Neil's parish or place of residence is Durrain and Anne's is Auchennia >> (sp?) > > As Neil and Lorna were married in Kilchrenan & Dalavich Parish the two > places are: > > Durrain is Durran [GBGrid Ref NM 958 080] - on the east side of Loch Awe > immediately next to Kilmichael Glassary Parish, > Auchennia is possibly Ardchonnel (?) GB Grid Ref NM 982 123 - on the east > side of Loch Awe about 3 mls north-east of Durrain/Durran > > I note that their children were born in Dalavich, Glasgow, South Knapdale > and North Knapdale between 1815 and 1830. > > Best Wishes > Les -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 265 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi Lorna, These are the John MacKenzie. Glenchrepusdale John McKenzie cottar and daughter Aross (Mull) John McKenzie innkeeper age 64 Duncan his son 36 Angus McArthur his servant 50 His wife, daughter and two servant-maids Achdashenaig (Mull) Angus McKenzie tenant age 34 John his son 12 Duncan his son 5 Archibald his son 3 Hugh his son 1 His wife Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Hi Bob, Regret to say thee is nothing anywhere near McAlonan. Regards, Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Dear Ian, Would there be any mention of any McArthur/MacArthurs in "Inhabitants of the Argyll Estates"? I am specifically looking for the family of Peter W McArthur b:1747 Scotland d:Aug 1847 Bladen County,NC his father: Neill McArthur was b:Scotland emigrated to NC circa 1767,where he prospered as a merchant before the Rev War.He and Archibald (brother?) were Loyalists while son Peter W was a Patriot (DAR) My understanding is that they returned (1792-98) to Jura, where he and Archibald McArthur signed a Power of Attorney (1803) over to Neill's son, Alexander with specific instructions on the management/collection/disbursement of their "North American" properties,plantations,farms,livestock,etc His wife Maysie and daughter,Jessie Neill (or Nelle)MacArthur are listed as heirs,as is Peter W who had remained here in Cumberland County,NC Neill's place of residence at the time of signing was Argyll, Ardmenish, Jura Island according to the legal papers I recently received from my cousin I am probably ' tilting at windmills ' but I thought maybe, just maybe............ you might find a 'lil tidbit' that could make a new chink in our brickwall<smile> Many thanks to you,Ian, for your kindness in the sharing of your resource. Wishing you a fruitful day hunting!! Debi --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Hello Cathy These 3 people sound like they might be your guys. I couldn't find them on Ancestry and had a hard time getting into Freecen which seemed to be on overload. I'll send you the rest of the details offlist, as it's a very long entry, as most of the people living at Fernoch and Ardintray (sic) next door seem to have been wood workers in the Ardintraive Forestry and mostly from Ireland or otherwise outside Argyll. There is also a Fearnoch near Kilfinan, but the one where Robert, Helen and Duncan were living is indeed Inverchaolain. Helen gets to use her own name. The Ardintraive area can be found quite clearly on maps. Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks MCFARLAIN Robert M 30 Wood Manager Outside Census County (1841) MCLEAN Helen F 21 Argyllshire MCFARLAIN Duncan M 1 Argyllshire Katie de Haan NL who is hoping to visit Argyll very soon... MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 BEATON BETHUNE Skye KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Dowie" <[email protected]> To: "Colin McCallum , [email protected]" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Glendaruel v Inverchaolin Dear Mary, Colin and Katie Many thanks for all your helpful suggestions and information. They all tie > in together perfectly. Does any one have access to the 1841 Census of > Argyll? I would love to find Robert senior and Helen Macfarlan with their > first child, Duncan who was born in 1840 in Fearnock, Argyll.

Lorna wrote > I have Donald b 1/1/1815 Kilchrenan; Catherine b 5/10/1817 Glasgow; Peter > b 12/2/1820 Kilchrenan; John b 20/9/1824 South Knapdale; Janet b 3 > /10/1830 North Knapdale; Mary b about 1830 don't know where? - and > Jessie b 1831 don't know where? -did marry an Aust. and died there. Neil > 15/12 1832 don't know where? married a g grandparent of the lady in Oz; > Dugald b 1835 where? - died in Oz. I have the births you quote - Janet & Jessie would probably be one and the same person - but, I have nothing on Mary, Neil and Dugald. Best Wishes Les

Hi Joyce I didn't know that - however I got back on and can confirm that it seems to be working now, very fast and I was able to use up my credits to view he items that I had found earlier , just seems to have been the view images part that was causing probs, it is of course in their best interest to keep the Site in good working order. Regards Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Scotlands People site > At Scotlands People they are very good about extending your time to use your > credits if they are having a problem. > Joyce > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 13/10/06 > >

Further to Lorna's Question > I need to know if anyone has heard of the following two places which relate to the marriage of Neil McKellar and Ann Sinclair Feb 3 1814 in Argyll. Neil's parish or place of residence is Durrain and Anne's is Auchennia (sp?) I've been having another think about Auchennia. I now think that it is probably Auchachenna [GB Grid Ref NN 025 215] on the west side of Loch Awe , near Kilchrenan and the border with 'Glenorchy & Inishail' Parish. Although this is on the other side of the loch to Durrain/Durran, and about 15 mls from it, there were plenty of ferries accross the loch and a number of ferries plying between the piers on the loch. Had a quick look at the 1841 Census for 'Kilchrenan & Dalavich' - the entry for one of several Durrain/Durran properties is : 'Kilchrenan & Dalavich' Psh 517 ED 13 pg 3/4 Line 25 MCKELLAR Niel M 65 Agricultural Labourer b Argyllshire Line 1 MCKELLAR Betty F 60 b Argyllshire Line 2 MCKELLAR Alexander M 25 Agricultural Labourer b Argyllshire Line 3 MCKELLAR Niel M 20 Shoemaker b Argyllshire Line 4 SINCLAIR Patrick M 24 Agricultural Labourer b Argyllshire Line 5 MCLOUD Murdoch M 24 Agricultural Labourer b Outside Census County However, there are no Sinclairs in Auchachenna at this time. Best Wishes Les ---------------------------------- For an excellent, current, map of Britain use the Ordnance Survey web-site : http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ For an excellent 19th Century map use the Old-Maps web-site : http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ ----------------------------------

I think you're right about Auchachenna, Les. One of my ancestors is listed as being from Lower Achachenny, which I figured to be Auchachenna. Well, the nether regions, anyway! Sheila in Missouri

Thanks to you all for your response, I did have another go and got much the same response, but HEY ! they manage to grab the money quick enough - they have that bit working OK, thing is that if they don't get it sorted by 48 hours I will need to buy more credits, which is annoying as I have about 20 still on there. Regards Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Scotlands People site > We all need to send a feedback when we experience problems so that they can identify the issue. I dont think it serves any purpose in thinking that "someone else will have done it, why should I?" > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > > > > Hi > > > > Just logged on to Scotlandspeople and homepage was OK but when I "asked" for > > "Previous Searches" or "Viewed Images" got "Site currently Unavailable". I > > assume once site comes back up you'l be able to view images as normal. > > > > John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 13/10/06 > >

We all need to send a feedback when we experience problems so that they can identify the issue. I dont think it serves any purpose in thinking that "someone else will have done it, why should I?" Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Hi > > Just logged on to Scotlandspeople and homepage was OK but when I "asked" for > "Previous Searches" or "Viewed Images" got "Site currently Unavailable". I > assume once site comes back up you'l be able to view images as normal. > > John

Lorna asked > I need to know if anyone has heard of the following two places which relate > to the marriage of Neil McKellar and Ann Sinclair Feb 3 1814 in Argyll. > Neil's parish or place of residence is Durrain and Anne's is Auchennia (sp?) As Neil and Lorna were married in Kilchrenan & Dalavich Parish the two places are: Durrain is Durran [GBGrid Ref NM 958 080] - on the east side of Loch Awe immediately next to Kilmichael Glassary Parish, Auchennia is possibly Ardchonnel (?) GB Grid Ref NM 982 123 - on the east side of Loch Awe about 3 mls north-east of Durrain/Durran I note that their children were born in Dalavich, Glasgow, South Knapdale and North Knapdale between 1815 and 1830. Best Wishes Les ---------------------------------- For an excellent, current, map of Britain use the Ordnance Survey web-site : http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ For an excellent 19th Century map use the Old-Maps web-site : http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ ----------------------------------

Stewart I seem to remember having this problem a little while ago but there are three(?) formats in which you can have the images downloaded and when I opted for another format the problem was solved. Note that when you ask to view a record, you don't get it immediately. You get a link, and have to click on that. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Scotlands People site > Hi All > > The Scotspeople Site - Do we not get to view the images online now ? I > spent some time on there today and although I found several items that I > searched for I was unable to view them, anyone else had problems or is > that the way it is now ? > > Regards > Stewart Campbell

Hi Stewart, Seems you aren't alone - others are having problems with SP images too. There's a wee mention of this on TalkingScot today; http://www.talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6613 Jack ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: BT To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Scotlands People site Hi All The Scotspeople Site - Do we not get to view the images online now ? I spent some time on there today and although I found several items that I searched for I was unable to view them, anyone else had problems or is that the way it is now ? Regards Stewart Campbell

You might need to update your Java viewer. I had a problem viewing images I had viewed before and Scotlands Peeps told me the service was "Unavailable. I sent a feedback. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" <[email protected]> > Hi All > > The Scotspeople Site - Do we not get to view the images online now ? I spent some time on there today and although I found several items that I searched for I was unable to view them, anyone else had problems or is that the way it is now ? > > Regards > Stewart Campbell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All The Scotspeople Site - Do we not get to view the images online now ? I spent some time on there today and although I found several items that I searched for I was unable to view them, anyone else had problems or is that the way it is now ? Regards Stewart Campbell

Hi, Both are in Cowal - just to make it difficult :-) However I think they are separate parishes. Glendaruel is just north of the junction of the Tighnabruich and Colintraive roads. Inverchaolain is on the east side of Loch Striven and the road to it is from Dunoon. I had some ancestors from both and lived in Dunoon myself for a number of years, but not being "kirk minded" I will not swear to the parishes. Regards, Mary Coordinator for East Lothian FreeCens Coordinator for East Lothian FreeReg

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorna Xixis Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" McKenzie Hi Ian, also for Jane who queried my McKenzie line. I am sorry for not being more specific. Unfortunately I do not have a location, I am really just taking a stab at this. My forenames would likely be John whose father was most likely Hugh, based on continued naming pattern carried on in the family. The first middle name we have was b in late 1800s and was Hugh Alexander and there are no other Alexanders connected to our family or collateral families, as an fyi. It seems, John fathered a son, Hugh, in Halifax or Pictou, Nova Scotia abt 1790-1800 and could have been military up to 1787ish or not, but was in Nova Scotia for the birth of Hugh according to a land petition of Hugh's. Hugh eventually married into a family from Arran that arrived in Canada about 1828. Hope this helps. Much aloha, Lorna ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Phillips To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" Hi Lorna, There are many McKenzies listed. Have you a forename and location? Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006

Hello Cathy Mary and Colin have outlined where these can be found. I would add that the parishes of Kilmodan, Lochgoilhead, Inverchaolain, Strachur & Stra(th)lachlan and Kilfinan border(ed) one another roughly, so that various records for one family may be found in more than one of these parishes. Going on our own experiences, there was a fair amount of mobility between the parishes, with families moving or being moved - or simply one church being used at a particular time instead of another. Illustration: my 4 x great grandparents in one branch were both from the Glendaruel/Kilmodan area 1781, but married in Inverchaolain because the man was employed there at the time. Their children were baptised in Kilmodan, Stralachlan and even North Knapdale, plus one I haven't even found yet. Go figure! The parish records can be very helpful. Or not. At first I doubted whether these children were all born to the same people. Maybe the names were a coincidence. However, I ordered the records and the information on them enabled me to make sense of the family's movements and helped confirm the children were really all born to the same couple. I should add that the OPR were helpful because the minister or clerk at Inverchaolain and Kilmodan was obliging enough to record details of the family concerned, (e.g. indicating who was employing the man at the time). Many Stralachlan, Strachur and other records give no place of residence for a couple marrying, not even an OTP! This makes the records good to have for posterity, but not much help to us at all. Good luck in your search, Cathy. I'm not into McFarlans but if I come across anything that might tie in with queries on the Cowal area I'll try and get in touch. Katie de Haan The Netherlands MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 BEATON BETHUNE Skye KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Dowie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Glendaruel v Inverchaolin > I have two references to the birthplace of Robert Macfarlan, provost of > Dumbarton both listed above. I am able to locate Glenaruel on a modern map > but I have not located Inverchaolain, although I have found an > Inverchaolain > Glen. ....... Is Glenaruel in the parish of Inverchaolain, or are they > in separate parts > of Argyll? Regards Cathy

Hi everyone I have two references to the birthplace of Robert Macfarlan, provost of Dumbarton both listed above. I am able to locate Glenaruel on a modern map but I have not located Inverchaolain, although I have found an Inverchaolain Glen. Is Glenaruel in the parish of Inverchaolain, or are they in separate parts of Argyll? Regards Cathy