Hi Win Thanks for the tip about the 1861 Morven census - very helpful. Does it give all the details for Morven or only selected? I have some queries about your Murdoch Currie - think he married the sister of my gg grandfather - but I'm off on holiday for a few days and will post on my return. John S

Win said > John CURRIE married Jane McKAY (no record of marriage found) children: Murdoch and Hector b Torosay, Alexander, Agnes, Sarah, Anne, Cirsty and Janet b Morvern. Some of these are on the IGI (and OPR), but no further information found and some are not on the IGI (or OPR) but I have found marriages and deaths for them. This Census entry for Morvern seems to be for Jane(t) McKAY and 3 of her CURRIE children 1841 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 1 pg 7 - Knock Line 17 Alexr CURRIE 20 Ag Lab b ARL 18 Jannet CURRIE 55 b ARL 19 Jannet CURRIE 13 b ARL 20 Cirsty CURRIE 8 b ARL 21 Donald McFADYEN 50 Shoemaker ARL And these entries appear to be for John and Jane(t)s sons Murdoch, Hector and Alexander. 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 2 - B Livingstone Land, Lochaline Murdoch CURRIE Head Mrrd 75 Ag lab b Torosay ARL Catherine CURRIE Wife Mrrd 58 b Torosay ARL 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 7 - Currie's House, Lochaline Hector CURRIE Head Mrrd 62 Rural letter carrier b Torosay ARL Ann CURRIE Wife Mrrd 48 b Morvern ARL Allan CURRIE Son Unm 22 Rural letter carrier b Morvern ARL Isabella CURRIE Dau Unm 21 Dom Serv b Morvern ARL Ann CURRIE Dau Unm 14 Scholar b Morvern ARL Mary CURRIE Dau Unm 11 Scholar b Morvern ARL Hector CURRIE Son Unm 4 b Morvern ARL 1881 Cardross DNB Psh 494 ED 6 pg 33 - Millburn Alexander CURRIE Head Mrrd Labourer b Morvern ARL Christina CURRIE Wife 55 b Inveraray ARL Alexander CURRIE Son 16 Iron Moulder b Renton DNB John CURRIE Son 12 Scholar b Renton DNB Jannet CURRIE Dau 22 Print field worker b Renton DNB Christins CURRIE Dau 20 Dressmaker b Renton DNB Cathrine CURRIE Dau 18 Print field worker b Renton DNB Hope this helps Les

I wonder if that story is a truism? I have also heard the story of the parish of Kilmore and Kilbride in Isle of Mull which has missing OPR records and the story goes that the minister was sailing across Loch Na Keal in Mull when a storm blew up and sank the small boat resulting in the loss of the parish records . Jimmy McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Irwin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] missing records >I recently discovered a book in Salt Lake that is the record of a family in >Argyll. > It indicated that the records of one parish were destroyed by the minister > because > he discovered evidence of illegitimacy on his line and so he destroyed the > records. Interesting, and could explain some missing records. Laura > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006 > >

The list you refer to is the list of inhabitants or tenants of the Duke of Argyll's estates in the county of Argyll 1792, several estates on mainland Argyll and some of the islands. I have McNivens in my tree from Morven,Argyll. Isobel McNiven married Donald McMaster 30 Dec 1820 Jimmy McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Argyll Estates 1792 > Hi > I am not sure what this list is but wondering if my MacNivens or > McCorquordales may be listed. Looking for Donald and Peter and MacNiven > or John > McCorquordale. > > regards > sandra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006 > >

Dear Ian, Thank you so much for taking the time to check on this for me None of them seem to fit but I will keep the info you sent just in case I find something that connects to them in future Again,many thanks and Happy Hunting! Debi --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Thanks Les > Win said > >> John CURRIE married Jane McKAY (no record of marriage found) children: Murdoch and Hector b Torosay, Alexander, Agnes, Sarah, Anne, Cirsty and Janet b Morvern. Some of these are on the IGI (and OPR), but no further information found and some are not on the IGI (or OPR) but I have found marriages and deaths for them. > > This Census entry for Morvern seems to be for Jane(t) McKAY and 3 of her CURRIE children > > 1841 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 1 pg 7 - Knock > > Line > 17 Alexr CURRIE 20 Ag Lab b ARL > 18 Jannet CURRIE 55 b ARL > 19 Jannet CURRIE 13 b ARL > 20 Cirsty CURRIE 8 b ARL > 21 Donald McFADYEN 50 Shoemaker ARL I have no way of knowing for sure, but I THINK this Cirsty CURRIE was the GRAND-daughter of Janet - daughter of Murdoch CURRIE and his first wife Cirsty KENNEDY. (This Cirsty/Christina married James MERRY 1855 Torosay) > And these entries appear to be for John and Jane(t)s sons Murdoch, Hector and Alexander. > > 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 2 - B Livingstone Land, Lochaline > > Murdoch CURRIE Head Mrrd 75 Ag lab b Torosay ARL > Catherine CURRIE Wife Mrrd 58 b Torosay ARL Yes, this is Murdoch with his second wife Catherine CAMERON. They were married 5th Feb 1867. Murdoch's first wife Cirsty/Christina KENNEDY died 22 Jan 1864. Her parents were Neil KENNEDY and Flora M/S MacKAY > > 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 7 - Currie's House, Lochaline > > Hector CURRIE Head Mrrd 62 Rural letter carrier b Torosay ARL > Ann CURRIE Wife Mrrd 48 b Morvern ARL > Allan CURRIE Son Unm 22 Rural letter carrier b Morvern ARL > Isabella CURRIE Dau Unm 21 Dom Serv b Morvern ARL > Ann CURRIE Dau Unm 14 Scholar b Morvern ARL > Mary CURRIE Dau Unm 11 Scholar b Morvern ARL > Hector CURRIE Son Unm 4 b Morvern ARL > I've found out that this Hector is NOT "ours". His parents were Donald CURRIE and Ann BUCHANAN. His wife is Ann MacEACHERN. They were married Morvern 1855. There is a Pedigree Submsssion on the familysearch site which lists Murdoch CURRIE as also being the son of Donald CURRIE and Ann BUCHANAN. THAT INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT ! Murdoch is definitely the son of John CURRIE and Janet MacKAY. > 1881 Cardross DNB Psh 494 ED 6 pg 33 - Millburn > > Alexander CURRIE Head Mrrd Labourer b Morvern ARL > Christina CURRIE Wife 55 b Inveraray ARL > Alexander CURRIE Son 16 Iron Moulder b Renton DNB > John CURRIE Son 12 Scholar b Renton DNB > Jannet CURRIE Dau 22 Print field worker b Renton DNB > Christins CURRIE Dau 20 Dressmaker b Renton DNB > Cathrine CURRIE Dau 18 Print field worker b Renton DNB Yes, this is the brother Alexander. His wife was Christina CRAWFORD. The other children of John CURRIE and Janet McKAY that also came to Cardross/Renton area of Dumbartonshire were Janet, Sarah and Agnes. By the way for those who haven't seen this before - someone has transcribed the 1861 census for Morvern. I found some of the Curries listed: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ked1/61ftwillcen1.html Thanks again Les. You truly are a wonderful resource for the members of this list. Regards, Win MacKenzie

Dear Debi, The following are the Peter McArthur's from the 1779 Inhabitants of the Argyll Estates. All the best, Ian Craleckan Peter McArthur age 25 Jean his sister 20 Kaimes Peter McArthur tenant 50 Ann his wife 49 Blairgour Peter McArthur senr 70 Ann his wife 55 John their son 20 Catherine daughter 25 Ann daughter 22 Janet daughter 18 Peter McArthur junr 55 Betty Campbell his wife 39 Archibald his son 12 Margaret his daughter 20 Duncan 16 Ann 18 Catherine 15 Isabel 12 Potie (Mull) Archibald McArthur millar 65 His father Iver 82 His son Peter 23 His son Iver 15 His wife and daughter Creich (Mull) Peter McArthur crofter 62 His son Donald 20 His son Sandy 16 His wife ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Hello, I've been doing my Black family tree. Our family originally came from Craignish. I can't find anything before 1730's. Archibald Black married ?. Children where Marrion Black born 05/08/1757, then Duguld Black born 11/02/1760 and our descendant Malcolm Black born 06/05/1762. Is there any way I can find out who Archibald married (as the birth certificate only shows the fathers name) and maybe any information about his family? Any information would be gratefully received. I also want to find out about Grandfathers brother, Archibald Black born in Kilcherian on 19/10/1876, he seems to have just disappeared. Last known to be in Oban in 1903 for Grandfathers wedding. Maybe emigrated? How can I find out? Kind regards Debra Black Melbourne, Australia.

To Debra Black: I suppose Archibald Black is a fairly common name. But here's what I have. Archibald Black Menzies was born to Margaret Black (unmarried) and Robert Andrew Menzies in Oban in 1875. We have assumed that Margaret's father was likely an Archibald Black. The census report says she was from Tobermory, and would have been born around 1853. But nobody her age seems to have been born in Tobermory. It's possible Margaret's parents lived in the Lismore area. That's not much to go on, but it may provide some clues for you. Sheila in Missouri

Thank you once again , Les. We are going to "SctPple" site now to find, if possible, Neil's parents. The lady in Oz definitely has those three last children, though I think that a couple of them are a mystery to her too except that Neil's son Neil is, of course, also her ancestor and Dugald died at Neil's sheep station in Victoria, Australia age 26. So it is really Mary and Jannet, as she spells it, who are the mystery children. She believes they probably died young. Neil senior arrived in Oz around 1849. I'm just including all this information in case anyone else is interested in this family. Thanks again best regards Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 268 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi I am not sure what this list is but wondering if my MacNivens or McCorquordales may be listed. Looking for Donald and Peter and MacNiven or John McCorquordale. regards sandra

I have been trying this too but it seems that there are no images for some of the records. You use your credits and get nowhere! Chris Culling in Melbourne Researching Campbell and Young in Argyll ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:46 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Scotlands People site Hi All The Scotspeople Site - Do we not get to view the images online now ? I spent some time on there today and although I found several items that I searched for I was unable to view them, anyone else had problems or is that the way it is now ? Regards Stewart Campbell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006

I recently discovered a book in Salt Lake that is the record of a family in Argyll. It indicated that the records of one parish were destroyed by the minister because he discovered evidence of illegitimacy on his line and so he destroyed the records. Interesting, and could explain some missing records. Laura

Liz The short answer to your question is that there are certainly GAPS in the records on the IGI, at about the times you mention. I know of countless individuals who were born , married etc, in the Kilninver/Kilmelford area and with no mention on the IGI, however I do see that the NAS have ( and they can be viewed in Edinburgh) the Kilninver/Kilmelford Church of Scotland Kirk Session records CH2/756 , 1758-1977, and the Free Church CH3/693, 1845- 1929, now I hope to get down and have a look through those records ASAP, however :- however what I wonder is will I find more on those that I can on the IGI , OR will the IGI researchers have already gone through those ? . Anyone on the List gone through Kirk of Session records, and who has found early information that they couldn't have found elsewhere ? Regards Stewart Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Langmann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] questions > Hi all, > Please could someone tell me whether there are gaps in information in the OPR for Kilmelford. I am looking for the birth of John Campbell(not the most unusual name!) around 1764 to 1767. I have what I think are 2 sisters and 1 brother but I cannot find him anywhere. Then there is also another John Campbell apparently born on the Island of Luing in about 1842 and I can find no record there either.I understand that there might be a possibility that they were not Church of Scotland and therefore would not show up! I have death certificates for both these gents so I know that they did exist! I know that one of the the sisters of the 1842 John got married in the free church in Oban, so I have a feeling that this might be one of my problems. How would I go about finding records from the free church? > Thanks > Liz Langmann > Cape Town > South Africa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 13/10/06 > >

Hi Chris, If you are looking for records pre-1855 you have to send for a printout I think. For 1 credit they tell you the information only. I also THINK it would be cheaper and more sensible to get the whole film from your local FHC and get them to help you copy a page - once you know which film you want! From 1855 you can download certificates for 5 credits which is worthwhile. I may have got this wrong so anyone knowing better may respond and explain. Best wishes, Mary in Perth (WA)

In a message dated 10/15/2006 3:57:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Regret to say thee is nothing anywhere near McAlonan Ian Thanks for the effort. BobMcA

I'm looking for more info on my several X great grandfather John CURRIE. He was b Torosay between 1782 - 1784. His death certificate 29 Apr 1862 Lochaline Morvern lists his age as 80 and his parents as Malcolm CURRIE and Sarah m/s McDONALD. Informant was his son Murdoch. I can't find ANY children listed to Malcolm CURRIE and Sarah McDONALD, Torosay, BUT there is one listing for an Archibald CURRY, b. 1794 with parents Malcolm CURRY and Marrion McDONALD. I have seen the names Sarah and Marion used for the same person before and wondered if this might be another example. Can anyone provide more information about any of the people listed above, or tell me if I might be on the right track with this ? John CURRIE married Jane McKAY (no record of marriage found) children: Murdoch and Hector b Torosay, Alexander, Agnes, Sarah, Anne, Cirsty and Janet b Morvern Some of these are on the IGI (and OPR), but no further information found and some are not on the IGI (or OPR) but I have found marriages and deaths for them. I'm hoping someone has some further information on some of these people. Thank you Win MacKenzie

Hi Cathie, Try the FreeCens site. I am not sure if Argyll is available yet but some parts may be. Regards, Mary Coordinator for East Lothian FreeCens Coordinator for East Lothian FreeReg

Dear Mary, Colin and Katie Many thanks for all your helpful suggestions and information. They all tie in together perfectly. I am attempting to tidy up branches of my Macfarlan family. Robert, the provost of Dumbarton was such a character. I hope to include his branch of the family in my book - if I ever get it to print. Does any one have access to the 1841 Census of Argyll? I would love to find Robert senior and Helen Macfarlan with their first child, Duncan who was born in 1840 in Fearnock, Argyll. We didn't get to Argyll when we were in Scotland in 2001. I would love to go back for another trip but I don't see it happening. Thanks once again Cathy On 14/10/06 8:42 PM, "Colin McCallum" <[email protected]> wrote: > Glendaruel is in the Parish of Kilmoden, the parish church is in the Clachan > of Glendaruel. I am researching a Weir family from this parish. Do you have > any Weir on a twig of your family tree? > > Regards, > > Colin McCallum. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Dowie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:48 AM > Subject: [ARGYLL] Glendaruel v Inverchaolin > > >> Hi everyone >> >> I have two references to the birthplace of Robert Macfarlan, provost of >> Dumbarton both listed above. I am able to locate Glenaruel on a modern map >> but I have not located Inverchaolain, although I have found an > Inverchaolain >> Glen. >> >> Is Glenaruel in the parish of Inverchaolain, or are they in separate parts >> of Argyll? >> >> Regards >> Cathy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Please could someone tell me whether there are gaps in information in the OPR for Kilmelford. I am looking for the birth of John Campbell(not the most unusual name!) around 1764 to 1767. I have what I think are 2 sisters and 1 brother but I cannot find him anywhere. Then there is also another John Campbell apparently born on the Island of Luing in about 1842 and I can find no record there either.I understand that there might be a possibility that they were not Church of Scotland and therefore would not show up! I have death certificates for both these gents so I know that they did exist! I know that one of the the sisters of the 1842 John got married in the free church in Oban, so I have a feeling that this might be one of my problems. How would I go about finding records from the free church? Thanks Liz Langmann Cape Town South Africa