Can I ask what is probably a stupid question!!? I've done much family research in England and used the parish registers way past the date of civil registration in England of 1837 (infact into the 1930's). Do parish registers in Scotland continue after civil registration in 1855? and if so can they be viewed? (and where). Also burial records are sparse for the parishes I am interested in in Argyll, would these have been recorded after 1855? and if so are they held anywhere. I know that scotlandspeople provide civil death's after this date. But often parish registers can reveal other things. Although it is true in England that after 1813 they become somewhat more formal. I'm mostly interested in the parishes of Strontian/Sunnart, Acharacle and Ardnamurchan. Thanks Morag Researching in Argyll: CAMERON in Strontian & Acharacle DEMPSTER in Glenhurich & Strontian

I'm not in a position to know what software might exist to aid indexing. What I do know is the size of the project. There are about ten thousand volumes of Kirk Session minutes, and each volume has about two hundred pages - 2 million pieces of paper. It is straightforward enough to index on parish and year, but what else might you want to index on. SCAN started with an indexing profile of about 20 headings. This proved to be impractically large. In the end they decided to reduce this to the minimum practical number. This would allow indexing to keep pace with digitisation. More detailed indexing may be considered later. Iain McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Jane Mckenzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > Ian, isn't there some kind of software that can index? I would think > someone > has developed that in this day and age. > Jane >

Hi all, I hope I am not breaking any rules here, but I have decided that I really need to engage a professional researcher to help knock over a few brick walls. I have used one previously, but that was nearly 20 years ago, and I believe this gentleman has since passed away.If anyone can recommend a good, reliable Argyll researcher could they please email me OFF LIST. Thank you for any suggestions Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Hi Sandra, I have McCorkindales - presumably the same name - mid-1800s. Where were yours? Mine in Campbeltown - mariners though. Cheers, Mary

Help please! My daughter has recently transcribed some info from Edinburgh and 'my' Peggy McKINNON on her marriage to Dugald McLACHLAN in 1812 in Torosay Parish, Mull, was supposedly of Drimnalyore. I have carefully gone over Jo Currie's map and can't seem to find a possible match or near match. Dugald was of Kinlochspelve. I suspect that Peggy died abt 1817 after childbirth and identifying this place may help identify which family she belongs to. Anne Maye.

Hello, I think that all of Morvern and more are listed on the site, and there is also 1841 and 1881 information. Here's a better link to access everything that is available: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ked1/ftwillcen.html Regards, Win MacKenzie [email protected] wrote: > Hi Win > > Thanks for the tip about the 1861 Morven census - very helpful. Does it > give all the details for Morven or only selected? > > I have some queries about your Murdoch Currie - think he married the sister > of my gg grandfather - but I'm off on holiday for a few days and will post > on my return. > > John S > >

Our CURRIES lived at Mauchline Ayrshire, would this be the same line? Sandy (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Win MacKenzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] John CURRIE b Torosay > > Thanks Les > > >> Win said >> >>> John CURRIE married Jane McKAY (no record of marriage found) children: >>> Murdoch and Hector b Torosay, Alexander, Agnes, Sarah, Anne, Cirsty and >>> Janet b Morvern. Some of these are on the IGI (and OPR), but no further >>> information found and some are not on the IGI (or OPR) but I have found >>> marriages and deaths for them. >> >> This Census entry for Morvern seems to be for Jane(t) McKAY and 3 of her >> CURRIE children >> >> 1841 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 1 pg 7 - Knock >> >> Line >> 17 Alexr CURRIE 20 Ag Lab b ARL >> 18 Jannet CURRIE 55 b ARL >> 19 Jannet CURRIE 13 b ARL >> 20 Cirsty CURRIE 8 b ARL >> 21 Donald McFADYEN 50 Shoemaker ARL > > I have no way of knowing for sure, but I THINK this Cirsty CURRIE was > the GRAND-daughter of Janet - daughter of Murdoch CURRIE and his first > wife Cirsty KENNEDY. > (This Cirsty/Christina married James MERRY 1855 Torosay) > >> And these entries appear to be for John and Jane(t)s sons Murdoch, Hector >> and Alexander. >> >> 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 2 - B Livingstone Land, Lochaline >> >> Murdoch CURRIE Head Mrrd 75 Ag lab b Torosay ARL >> Catherine CURRIE Wife Mrrd 58 b Torosay ARL > > Yes, this is Murdoch with his second wife Catherine CAMERON. They were > married 5th Feb 1867. Murdoch's first wife Cirsty/Christina KENNEDY > died 22 Jan 1864. Her parents were Neil KENNEDY and Flora M/S MacKAY >> >> 1881 Morvern ARL Psh 528 ED 6 pg 7 - Currie's House, Lochaline >> >> Hector CURRIE Head Mrrd 62 Rural letter carrier b Torosay ARL >> Ann CURRIE Wife Mrrd 48 b Morvern ARL >> Allan CURRIE Son Unm 22 Rural letter carrier b Morvern ARL >> Isabella CURRIE Dau Unm 21 Dom Serv b Morvern ARL >> Ann CURRIE Dau Unm 14 Scholar b Morvern ARL >> Mary CURRIE Dau Unm 11 Scholar b Morvern ARL >> Hector CURRIE Son Unm 4 b Morvern ARL >> > I've found out that this Hector is NOT "ours". > His parents were Donald CURRIE and Ann BUCHANAN. > His wife is Ann MacEACHERN. They were married Morvern 1855. > > There is a Pedigree Submsssion on the familysearch site which lists > Murdoch CURRIE as also being the son of Donald CURRIE and Ann BUCHANAN. > > THAT INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT ! > > Murdoch is definitely the son of John CURRIE and Janet MacKAY. > > >> 1881 Cardross DNB Psh 494 ED 6 pg 33 - Millburn >> >> Alexander CURRIE Head Mrrd Labourer b Morvern ARL >> Christina CURRIE Wife 55 b Inveraray ARL >> Alexander CURRIE Son 16 Iron Moulder b Renton DNB >> John CURRIE Son 12 Scholar b Renton DNB >> Jannet CURRIE Dau 22 Print field worker b Renton DNB >> Christins CURRIE Dau 20 Dressmaker b Renton DNB >> Cathrine CURRIE Dau 18 Print field worker b Renton DNB > > Yes, this is the brother Alexander. His wife was Christina CRAWFORD. > The other children of John CURRIE and Janet McKAY that also came to > Cardross/Renton area of Dumbartonshire were Janet, Sarah and Agnes. > > > By the way for those who haven't seen this before - someone has > transcribed the 1861 census for Morvern. I found some of the Curries > listed: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ked1/61ftwillcen1.html > > Thanks again Les. You truly are a wonderful resource for the members of > this list. > > Regards, > Win MacKenzie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don't have any information if JOHN and ANN CAMERON migrated to America or died in Scotland...still researching that.... HOWEVER, I did confirm that their son Duncan Cameron was born and died in Scottland...so that leaves me to believe that John Cameron BD.1826 did not go to America. Cathy Cameron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Glenn Morrison" <[email protected]> > Did John live in Richmond Co. N.C.. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Cathy Cameron > > To: > > Date: 10/13/2006 2:08:12 PM > > Subject: [ARGYLL] John Cameron > > > > Looking for John Cameron born on or about 1826 > > Married 06 Feb 1851 to > > Anne Henderson born on or about 1830 > > Had a son Duncan Cameron b.1855 > > who married Flora Henderson > > > > Cathy Cameron > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you ...but really confused. I'm searching for last name CAMERON...from Argyll....I received over 80 emails from people with this last name??? I can't figure out how the mixup happened. Thanks --Cathy Cameron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Katie de Haan" <[email protected]> > Hello Cathy > > These 3 people sound like they might be your guys. I couldn't find them on > Ancestry and had a hard time getting into Freecen which seemed to be on > overload. I'll send you the rest of the details offlist, as it's a very > long entry, as most of the people living at Fernoch and Ardintray (sic) next > door seem to have been wood workers in the Ardintraive Forestry and mostly > from Ireland or otherwise outside Argyll. There is also a Fearnoch near > Kilfinan, but the one where Robert, Helen and Duncan were living is indeed > Inverchaolain. Helen gets to use her own name. The Ardintraive area can > be found quite clearly on maps. > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born > Remarks > MCFARLAIN Robert M 30 Wood Manager Outside > Census County (1841) > MCLEAN Helen F 21 Argyllshire > MCFARLAIN Duncan M 1 Argyllshire > > > Katie de Haan NL > who is hoping to visit Argyll very soon... > > MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, LKS Scotland > MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, LKS Scotland > MCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 > BEATON BETHUNE Skye > KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK > KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Dowie" > To: "Colin McCallum , [email protected]" > ; > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Glendaruel v Inverchaolin > Dear Mary, Colin and Katie Many thanks for all your helpful suggestions and > information. They all tie > > in together perfectly. Does any one have access to the 1841 Census of > > Argyll? I would love to find Robert senior and Helen Macfarlan with their > > first child, Duncan who was born in 1840 in Fearnock, Argyll. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

"The minister was sailing across Loch Na Keal in Mull when a storm blew up and sank the small boat resulting in the loss of the parish records . Did the minister and the boatman survive? There is an absolutely true story of census returns for a Fife parish which were put on the mail coach in good order but were missing by the time the coach reached Edinburgh. I've always wondered who made off with them and how disappointed the thief must have been that all he had was a pile of worthless papers... ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Dear Joy, I think you will find that, if you are keen to volunteer for a place on this project, your help will be appreciated. Much of the digitising work is being done by members of the LDS Church. Someone to contact in the first instance is Kirsty Forbes ( [email protected] ). Kirsty is Online Resources Archivist at the National Archives of Scotland. Kind Regards Iain McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "joy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > Too bad they won't let us volunteer to be system testers! > I know many of us who don't have the opportunity to search in person will > welcome this service, even though it certainly won't be free. > > Joy/MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain McKenzie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > > >>I understand that the Kirk Session records will eventually form part of >>the >> Scotlandspeople website. The team that digitised the Wills and Testaments >> section of Scotlandspeople is currently working flat out to digitise the >> Kirk Session minutes. I understand that the first stage of the roll-out >> of >> the internet version, target date March 2007, will be to churches and >> local >> authorities. >> >> Digitising the documents does not seem to be a problem. However, indexing >> them has been. The time required to produce a comprehensive index would >> add >> years to the completion date for the project. SCAN, who are doing the >> digitising, has devised a relatively simple index based on parish name >> and >> year. How well it will work in practice will only be discovered once the >> project is available to go on line. >> >> Iain McKenzie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sheila Perry" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:34 AM >> Subject: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> Re the query about Kirk Session records. In my experience (which >>> admittedly is for Angus rather than Argyll) the amount of information on >>> these tends to reflect the general state of the church records so you >>> might not necessarily find extra births etc. However in the case of the >>> records for 'my' parish in Angus, which is a rural one (Lintrathen), >>> there >>> are quite extensive lists from time to time of, for instance, all the >>> heads of household in communion at a certain date, which may well be of >>> use in tracking someone down even if you don't have a birth record. I >>> think the records will probably vary such a lot from one parish to >>> another >>> that it's impossible to predict whether any of this kind of list will be >>> included. >>> At the National Archives you can view most of the Kirk Session records >>> on >>> computer screen although they are not available online - I don't know if >>> there is a plan to put them on line or not. >>> Hope this helps, >>> best wishes, >>> Sheila Perry >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

geeez sorry List as U can see this wasn't for ARGYLL list slip of the fingers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Lafleur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] missing records > too bad it didn't state the name of the minister... or the parishes he was > in charge of. > > I am slow here Laura, still going threw your notes.... and others I received > this week and fighting a nasty cold ughh.... so bare with me. > > where are U located? Im in Northern Ontario... we had some nasty snow > that hung around for almost 2 days..... its all gone now.... I hope I don't > see it again for 2 months haha. > > I just wrote a letter to Scotland to a local historian.... asking for help > with my stewarts.... in his area....I will mail it tomorrow lets hope he > will answer me. > > Sheila > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laura Irwin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:30 PM > Subject: [ARGYLL] missing records > > > > I recently discovered a book in Salt Lake that is the record of a family > in Argyll. > > It indicated that the records of one parish were destroyed by the minister > because > > he discovered evidence of illegitimacy on his line and so he destroyed the > > records. Interesting, and could explain some missing records. Laura > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

too bad it didn't state the name of the minister... or the parishes he was in charge of. I am slow here Laura, still going threw your notes.... and others I received this week and fighting a nasty cold ughh.... so bare with me. where are U located? Im in Northern Ontario... we had some nasty snow that hung around for almost 2 days..... its all gone now.... I hope I don't see it again for 2 months haha. I just wrote a letter to Scotland to a local historian.... asking for help with my stewarts.... in his area....I will mail it tomorrow lets hope he will answer me. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Irwin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] missing records > I recently discovered a book in Salt Lake that is the record of a family in Argyll. > It indicated that the records of one parish were destroyed by the minister because > he discovered evidence of illegitimacy on his line and so he destroyed the > records. Interesting, and could explain some missing records. Laura > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ian, isn't there some kind of software that can index? I would think someone has developed that in this day and age. Jane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of joy Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi Too bad they won't let us volunteer to be system testers! I know many of us who don't have the opportunity to search in person will welcome this service, even though it certainly won't be free. Joy/MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McKenzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi >I understand that the Kirk Session records will eventually form part of the > Scotlandspeople website. The team that digitised the Wills and Testaments > section of Scotlandspeople is currently working flat out to digitise the > Kirk Session minutes. I understand that the first stage of the roll-out of > the internet version, target date March 2007, will be to churches and > local > authorities. > > Digitising the documents does not seem to be a problem. However, indexing > them has been. The time required to produce a comprehensive index would > add > years to the completion date for the project. SCAN, who are doing the > digitising, has devised a relatively simple index based on parish name and > year. How well it will work in practice will only be discovered once the > project is available to go on line. > > Iain McKenzie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Perry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:34 AM > Subject: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > > >> Hi all, >> Re the query about Kirk Session records. In my experience (which >> admittedly is for Angus rather than Argyll) the amount of information on >> these tends to reflect the general state of the church records so you >> might not necessarily find extra births etc. However in the case of the >> records for 'my' parish in Angus, which is a rural one (Lintrathen), >> there >> are quite extensive lists from time to time of, for instance, all the >> heads of household in communion at a certain date, which may well be of >> use in tracking someone down even if you don't have a birth record. I >> think the records will probably vary such a lot from one parish to >> another >> that it's impossible to predict whether any of this kind of list will be >> included. >> At the National Archives you can view most of the Kirk Session records on >> computer screen although they are not available online - I don't know if >> there is a plan to put them on line or not. >> Hope this helps, >> best wishes, >> Sheila Perry >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006

Hi Brian, Could it be Drimnaldyne on Croggan penisular. For map of location try Location Index on www.mullgenealogy.co.uk All the best, Ian webmaster www.mullgenealogy.co.uk ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

I understand that the Kirk Session records will eventually form part of the Scotlandspeople website. The team that digitised the Wills and Testaments section of Scotlandspeople is currently working flat out to digitise the Kirk Session minutes. I understand that the first stage of the roll-out of the internet version, target date March 2007, will be to churches and local authorities. Digitising the documents does not seem to be a problem. However, indexing them has been. The time required to produce a comprehensive index would add years to the completion date for the project. SCAN, who are doing the digitising, has devised a relatively simple index based on parish name and year. How well it will work in practice will only be discovered once the project is available to go on line. Iain McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Perry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:34 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > Hi all, > Re the query about Kirk Session records. In my experience (which > admittedly is for Angus rather than Argyll) the amount of information on > these tends to reflect the general state of the church records so you > might not necessarily find extra births etc. However in the case of the > records for 'my' parish in Angus, which is a rural one (Lintrathen), there > are quite extensive lists from time to time of, for instance, all the > heads of household in communion at a certain date, which may well be of > use in tracking someone down even if you don't have a birth record. I > think the records will probably vary such a lot from one parish to another > that it's impossible to predict whether any of this kind of list will be > included. > At the National Archives you can view most of the Kirk Session records on > computer screen although they are not available online - I don't know if > there is a plan to put them on line or not. > Hope this helps, > best wishes, > Sheila Perry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Re the query about Kirk Session records. In my experience (which admittedly is for Angus rather than Argyll) the amount of information on these tends to reflect the general state of the church records so you might not necessarily find extra births etc. However in the case of the records for 'my' parish in Angus, which is a rural one (Lintrathen), there are quite extensive lists from time to time of, for instance, all the heads of household in communion at a certain date, which may well be of use in tracking someone down even if you don't have a birth record. I think the records will probably vary such a lot from one parish to another that it's impossible to predict whether any of this kind of list will be included. At the National Archives you can view most of the Kirk Session records on computer screen although they are not available online - I don't know if there is a plan to put them on line or not. Hope this helps, best wishes, Sheila Perry

Too bad they won't let us volunteer to be system testers! I know many of us who don't have the opportunity to search in person will welcome this service, even though it certainly won't be free. Joy/MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain McKenzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi >I understand that the Kirk Session records will eventually form part of the > Scotlandspeople website. The team that digitised the Wills and Testaments > section of Scotlandspeople is currently working flat out to digitise the > Kirk Session minutes. I understand that the first stage of the roll-out of > the internet version, target date March 2007, will be to churches and > local > authorities. > > Digitising the documents does not seem to be a problem. However, indexing > them has been. The time required to produce a comprehensive index would > add > years to the completion date for the project. SCAN, who are doing the > digitising, has devised a relatively simple index based on parish name and > year. How well it will work in practice will only be discovered once the > project is available to go on line. > > Iain McKenzie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila Perry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:34 AM > Subject: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > > >> Hi all, >> Re the query about Kirk Session records. In my experience (which >> admittedly is for Angus rather than Argyll) the amount of information on >> these tends to reflect the general state of the church records so you >> might not necessarily find extra births etc. However in the case of the >> records for 'my' parish in Angus, which is a rural one (Lintrathen), >> there >> are quite extensive lists from time to time of, for instance, all the >> heads of household in communion at a certain date, which may well be of >> use in tracking someone down even if you don't have a birth record. I >> think the records will probably vary such a lot from one parish to >> another >> that it's impossible to predict whether any of this kind of list will be >> included. >> At the National Archives you can view most of the Kirk Session records on >> computer screen although they are not available online - I don't know if >> there is a plan to put them on line or not. >> Hope this helps, >> best wishes, >> Sheila Perry >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sandra, None of the individuals you list appear in the 1779 Inhabitants of the Argyll Estates. Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net