I see you have found something similar, though the name "James" is a recognised Christian name with historical origins. I need to look further back than 1797 for VIGROW it seems, to my Gt Mother's own Grandmother and earlier. I make this assumption for the fact that one of her siblings was formally baptised with the name. Similarly a sibling with the name LIVINGSTON that I've not traced. I have seen a Gt Grandmother's maiden name appear this way and its going to be more difficult to locate for its early date. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Mary Harris" > Hi, > > This middle name thing has always puzzled us too! We have several relatives, > of Argyll origins, who suddenly had middle names, where none existed before. > > George MCMILLAN (1856 - 1830) was George Hamilton MCMILLAN by the end of his > life. (Of course his mother was a HAMILTON & he did have a son also named > George, so we can see the reasoning behind taking this middle name.) > > Donald MCKINNON (1884 - 1964), always known as "Dan" to family, evolved to > Donald James Paterson MCKINNON, but this evolved to an entirely new surname > & he was eventually Donald James PATERSON-MCKINNON! (His mother was a > PATERSON, but no Jameses in the family, as far as we can find. And he never > married nor had a namesake son.) > > Both men immigrated - 1 to USA & 1 to Canada. I understand that there may > have been other men of the same name in the area, but it just seems that > adding a new middle name was no big deal years ago. These days, it's an > issue of legality & identity, so it seems odd to us. Another factor for us > to consider when searching for these elusive ancestors of our's!

Janet and list, It's been mentioned that family surnames often appear as middle names in Scotland and I've seen that this can cause misunderstandings and errors in English records. My grandmother Catherine Sinclair Campbell McCallum married Arthur W King and they had 2 children in India in the early 1900s while with the Royal Scots. The births were recorded for the Battalion Chaplains by the English authorities and her name was messed up altogether. On my mother's birth cert 1907 it says name and maiden surname of mother: Catherine Sinclair Campbell - and on my uncle's 1909 she became Katherine Sinclair King formerly Campbell So what about McCallum? What's in a name, you might say - but it is a pity to lose things - not to mention the brick walls in family history it might have caused. Fortunately, one of the few things I did know about my past was my grandmother's full name. Incidentally, her sister's military birth in Malta 1892, (when greatgrandmama Mary McVean was on her way to India) seems to have been recorded correctly: Jessie McKenzie Campbell McCallum. Maybe one day I'll fork out the 10 euros to order the record and find out what they made of parents John McCallum and Mary M(a)cVean. On my grandmother's marriage record, mum was Mary Vean - and that was a Scottish archive! Just goes to show that the people involved may not necessarily have influenced what actually went down on record. Maybe that also happened in your family's records, Janet. Good luck in your quest, Katie de Haan NL MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE: Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, LKS Scotland MCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 BEATON BETHUNE Skye pre 1670 KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name > Hi Jill, Many thanks for taking the time to search for me. I had searched > for it earlier when I saw it written in the birth certificate of her > sister; it was not included in the register entries on the birth of a > brother, nor of a younger sister, all born on or after 1855. I have > become accustomed to seeing a middle family name on a birth certificate. > It seems that following the death of her father in 1905 she decided to > keep the name alive by writing it when she witnessed the subsequent > marriage of her son. I was curious about the sudden use of it all those > years later, instead of her maiden surname following her marriage when it > was not included in her marriage certificate. I thought the incidence of > the use was worth sharing, as well as making an enquiry about it. > > As a matter of interest, all of the records you have been able to produce > are post the births of Elizabeth Vigrow [m.s.Campbell] Rowatt and her > siblings. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hardy Plants" > >> Where have you looked? >> The IGI comes up with 20 of them >> AGNES MACKAY VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 14 NOV 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 2. CATHERINE JANE VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 18 JAN 1866 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 3. EMMA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Kilmore And Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland >> >> 4. GEORGE WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 14 DEC 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland >> >> 5. ISABELLA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 26 APR 1864 Feltham, London, England >> >> 6. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 24 JAN 1864 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 7. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1864 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 8. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1836 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 9. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1860 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 10. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 04 AUG 1866 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 11. JOSEPH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1868 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 12. M. W. VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 11 SEP 1866 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland >> >> 13. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1844 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, >> Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 14. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1862 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 15. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JUL 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 16. SARAH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1833 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, >> Aberdeen, >> Scotland >> >> 17. SCOTT VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 09 MAR 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland >> >> 18. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 09 DEC 1857 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 19. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1858 Forres, Moray, Scotland >> >> 20. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Marriage: 02 JAN 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, >> Midlothian, >> Scotland >> >> >>> My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] >>> after >>> her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her >>> Mother's >>> maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as >>> a >>> middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not >>> been >>> able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. >>> >>> Has anyone come across the name? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - Many thanks for taking the time to look out the name McCreight ! However I did go onto the Scotspeople Site and did find the James McCreight & family at ( whom you have in your list below) Uphall , they were in the correct area but as you say no David ! however after countless variations of the surname I struck lucky with McReight ( not how Davie spells it nowaday's) they were also in Uphall, the oldest son Thomas was born 16 Sep 1871 in Carmoney Co. Antrim but the next child John was born Livingston 22 Aug 1873 so they obviously moved to Scotland between those years - Davies grandfather also David was born at Uphall 1877 , just to mention the parents to the children above they were yet another David McCreight who died 1910 aged 60 & Isabella McCaulay however I find the IGI a bit patchy with the Irish records. They were also using the name William in those families , which apart from David was another name being used in connection with Jeremy Irons , McCreights . Thanks again ! Regards Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "SC Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] 1881 census > Stewart, these are the only McCreights listed in the 1881 census. No Davids > > MC CREIGHT, Matilda Sis <1801> Kent Kent > MC CREIGHT, Harriet A. Head <1807> Kent Kent > MC CREIGHT, Frances M. Wife <1809> Som Devo > MC CREIGHT, John Ptnt <1809> Surr > MC CREIGHT, Ann Sis <1812> Kent Kent > MC CREIGHT, Henry Bro <1815> Kent Kent > MCCREIGHT, William H. Head <1819> Surr Kent > MCCREIGHT, Margarette M. Sis <1821> Surr Kent > MC CREIGHT, Margaret Head <1829> Irel Lana > MC CREIGHT, William H. Head <1829> Irel Devo > MCCREIGHT, Margaret A. Wife <1829> York Kent > MC CREIGHT, Alexander Inmt <1832> Irel Lana > MC CREIGHT, Harriet S. Niec <1834> Devo Kent > MC CREIGHT, Cicilia Asst <1839> Irel Glou > MC CREIGHT, Elizabeth Wife <1839> Corn Lond > MC CREIGHT, Sarah Head <1843> Lanc > MC CREIGHT, Charles Head <1844> Ayr Ayr > MC CREIGHT, Emily Wife <1845> Stir Ayr > MC CREIGHT, James Head <1848> Irel Linl > MC CREIGHT, Thomas Son <1855> Lana Lana > MC CREIGHT, Sarah Wife <1857> Irel Linl > MCCREIGHT, Charlotte Dau <1857> Kent Kent > MC CREIGHT, My. Jane SonL <1861> Irel Lanc > MC CREIGHT, George Bord <1862> Irel Linl > MC CREIGHT, Mary Anne Dau <1864> Lana Lana > MC CREIGHT, Wills A.N. Son <1865> Lana Lana > MC CREIGHT, Mary Ann Dau <1866> Lanc > MC CREIGHT, Mary Dau <1867> Glou > MC CREIGHT, Thomas Son <1872> Ayr Ayr > MC CREIGHT, Charlotte Dau <1873> Glou > MC CREIGHT, William Son <1874> Renf Ayr > MC CREIGHT, Florence Dau <1875> Glou > MC CREIGHT, William Son <1875> Scot Linl > MC CREIGHT, Caroline Dau <1876> Ayr Ayr > MC CREIGHT, Annie Dau <1877> Scot Linl > MC CREIGHT, Charles Son <1878> Ayr Ayr > MC CREIGHT, George Son <1879> Scot Linl > MC CREIGHT, Hugh Son <1880> Ayr Ayr > MC CREIGHT, John Son <1881> WLot Linl > > BT wrote: > > >Hi All > > > >Would SKS do a quick look up on the 1881 census for a David McCreight ( pronounced Mc Cright) he was thought to have been born around 1870-74, from what I know this family were thought to have been around Broxburn Midlothian area - this search is prompted by last nights BBC programme "Who do you think you are" based on research by Jeremy Irons ( oscar winning actor) which traced him back to the name McCreight in Skibereen & Inashannon Ireland. > > > >The thing is I have a great friend - friend for many years by the name of David ( Davie) McCreight who lives in Phumpherston Midlothian and who knows full well that his ancestry goes back to Ireland , and after phoning him this morning we are eager to see if we can link him to the famous Jeremy Irons. > > > >Regards > >Stewart Campbell > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 13/10/06 > >

Changing the subject slightly - Sheila I too have McCallums from that area of Argyll. In Scotland they married into the Bruce, Leitch and Law families. Once in Canada, the range of names increases. Do these names match any in your tree? Sheila Perry wrote: >Hi Janet, >It isn't at all unusual, in our family at least, to be given a family >surname as a middle name, and this would be kept on marriage just as a >first name or first name given as middle name would be. I've found >examples of this throughout my family history, the most striking being >one of my grandmothers (Jessie Ann Ogilvy Annand Morrison, ms Young - >where Ogilvy and Annand were both family surnames on her mother's side) >and the most recent being me - Sheila McCallum Perry, ms Morrison - >where 'McCallum' was my other grandmother's maiden name. Incidentally, >this is also my Argyll connection as the McCallums were from Kilmichael >Glassary. >best wishes, >Sheila > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Sheila, I have replied to Jill and I note all you say. I found it odd that suddenly she should use it when it wasn't included in her name when she married. Suddenly, aged 56, she decided to use it when witnessing son's marriage. Perhaps I could be excused for contemplating the possibility she knew that one day someone might be searching family history. ;d^) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Perry" > Hi Janet, > It isn't at all unusual, in our family at least, to be given a family > surname as a middle name, and this would be kept on marriage just as a > first name or first name given as middle name would be. I've found > examples of this throughout my family history, the most striking being > one of my grandmothers (Jessie Ann Ogilvy Annand Morrison, ms Young - > where Ogilvy and Annand were both family surnames on her mother's side) > and the most recent being me - Sheila McCallum Perry, ms Morrison - > where 'McCallum' was my other grandmother's maiden name. Incidentally, > this is also my Argyll connection as the McCallums were from Kilmichael > Glassary. > best wishes, > Sheila

Hi Jill, Many thanks for taking the time to search for me. I had searched for it earlier when I saw it written in the birth certificate of her sister; it was not included in the register entries on the birth of a brother, nor of a younger sister, all born on or after 1855. I have become accustomed to seeing a middle family name on a birth certificate. It seems that following the death of her father in 1905 she decided to keep the name alive by writing it when she witnessed the subsequent marriage of her son. I was curious about the sudden use of it all those years later, instead of her maiden surname following her marriage when it was not included in her marriage certificate. I thought the incidence of the use was worth sharing, as well as making an enquiry about it. As a matter of interest, all of the records you have been able to produce are post the births of Elizabeth Vigrow [m.s.Campbell] Rowatt and her siblings. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hardy Plants" > Where have you looked? > The IGI comes up with 20 of them > AGNES MACKAY VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 14 NOV 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 2. CATHERINE JANE VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 18 JAN 1866 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 3. EMMA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Kilmore And Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland > > 4. GEORGE WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 14 DEC 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > > 5. ISABELLA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 26 APR 1864 Feltham, London, England > > 6. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 24 JAN 1864 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 7. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1864 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland > > 8. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1836 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 9. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1860 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland > > 10. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 04 AUG 1866 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 11. JOSEPH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1868 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 12. M. W. VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 11 SEP 1866 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland > > 13. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1844 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 14. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1862 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 15. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JUL 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 16. SARAH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1833 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > 17. SCOTT VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 09 MAR 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland > > 18. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 09 DEC 1857 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 19. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1858 Forres, Moray, Scotland > > 20. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Marriage: 02 JAN 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, > Scotland > > >> My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] after >> her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her Mother's >> maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as a >> middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not been >> able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. >> >> Has anyone come across the name?

Hi Janet, It isn't at all unusual, in our family at least, to be given a family surname as a middle name, and this would be kept on marriage just as a first name or first name given as middle name would be. I've found examples of this throughout my family history, the most striking being one of my grandmothers (Jessie Ann Ogilvy Annand Morrison, ms Young - where Ogilvy and Annand were both family surnames on her mother's side) and the most recent being me - Sheila McCallum Perry, ms Morrison - where 'McCallum' was my other grandmother's maiden name. Incidentally, this is also my Argyll connection as the McCallums were from Kilmichael Glassary. best wishes, Sheila

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Use of middle family name >I have a marriage certificate, for a marriage in Edinburgh in 1906. I've >had it for some while now and never noticed the middle name VIGROW there >before. I believe it to be Argyllshire in origin, [though it has been >found in Malta, in military records] if not in Mull itself where Elizabeth >VIGROW CAMPBELL was born. > > Parents: *Elizabeth VIGROW ROWATT m.s. CAMPBELL. > According to the forms of the Church of Scotland > > > My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] after > her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her Mother's > maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as a > middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not been > able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. > > Has anyone come across the name? Where have you looked? The IGI comes up with 20 of them AGNES MACKAY VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 14 NOV 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 2. CATHERINE JANE VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 18 JAN 1866 Forres, Moray, Scotland 3. EMMA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Kilmore And Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland 4. GEORGE WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 14 DEC 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 5. ISABELLA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 26 APR 1864 Feltham, London, England 6. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 24 JAN 1864 Forres, Moray, Scotland 7. JAMES VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 02 MAY 1864 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 8. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1836 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 9. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1860 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 10. JOHN VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 04 AUG 1866 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 11. JOSEPH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1868 Forres, Moray, Scotland 12. M. W. VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 11 SEP 1866 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland 13. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 12 FEB 1844 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 14. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1862 Forres, Moray, Scotland 15. MARTHA VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JUL 1869 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 16. SARAH VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1833 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland 17. SCOTT VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 09 MAR 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland 18. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 09 DEC 1857 Forres, Moray, Scotland 19. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1858 Forres, Moray, Scotland 20. WILLIAM VIGROW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 02 JAN 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland prev | next Prepare selected records for download regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

Hi, This middle name thing has always puzzled us too! We have several relatives, of Argyll origins, who suddenly had middle names, where none existed before. George MCMILLAN (1856 - 1830) was George Hamilton MCMILLAN by the end of his life. (Of course his mother was a HAMILTON & he did have a son also named George, so we can see the reasoning behind taking this middle name.) Donald MCKINNON (1884 - 1964), always known as "Dan" to family, evolved to Donald James Paterson MCKINNON, but this evolved to an entirely new surname & he was eventually Donald James PATERSON-MCKINNON! (His mother was a PATERSON, but no Jameses in the family, as far as we can find. And he never married nor had a namesake son.) Both men immigrated - 1 to USA & 1 to Canada. I understand that there may have been other men of the same name in the area, but it just seems that adding a new middle name was no big deal years ago. These days, it's an issue of legality & identity, so it seems odd to us. Another factor for us to consider when searching for these elusive ancestors of our's! Mary in Canada

Your friend lives in Pumpherston,Midlothian! I watched with great interest last nights program and I was left wondering why didn't Jeremy Irons follow his direct male ancestor Thomas Irons who he said was born in Dundee early 1800s, if he had found his birth record it would have given his mother & father. I do know Jeremy was more interested in tracing an Irish link. Jimmy McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] 1881 census > Hi All > > Would SKS do a quick look up on the 1881 census for a David McCreight ( > pronounced Mc Cright) he was thought to have been born around 1870-74, > from what I know this family were thought to have been around Broxburn > Midlothian area - this search is prompted by last nights BBC programme > "Who do you think you are" based on research by Jeremy Irons ( oscar > winning actor) which traced him back to the name McCreight in Skibereen & > Inashannon Ireland. > > The thing is I have a great friend - friend for many years by the name of > David ( Davie) McCreight who lives in Phumpherston Midlothian and who > knows full well that his ancestry goes back to Ireland , and after phoning > him this morning we are eager to see if we can link him to the famous > Jeremy Irons. > > Regards > Stewart Campbell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/485 - Release Date: 19/10/2006 > >

I have a marriage certificate, for a marriage in Edinburgh in 1906. I've had it for some while now and never noticed the middle name VIGROW there before. I believe it to be Argyllshire in origin, [though it has been found in Malta, in military records] if not in Mull itself where Elizabeth VIGROW CAMPBELL was born. Parents: *Elizabeth VIGROW ROWATT m.s. CAMPBELL. According to the forms of the Church of Scotland My question: * Why would she keep a middle maiden surname [VIGROW] after her marriage rather than her maiden surname itself? It is not her Mother's maiden surname, must be her grandmother, perhaps? The name appeared as a middle name on her sister's birth certificate which was in 1860; not been able to check the actual birth of Elizabeth because she was born 1850. Has anyone come across the name? Janet

----- Original Message ----- From: "BT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] 1881 census > Hi All > > Would SKS do a quick look up on the 1881 census for a David McCreight ( > pronounced Mc Cright) he was thought to have been born around 1870-74, > from what I know this family were thought to have been around Broxburn > Midlothian area - this search is prompted by last nights BBC programme > "Who do you think you are" based on research by Jeremy Irons ( oscar > winning actor) which traced him back to the name McCreight in Skibereen & > Inashannon Ireland. > > The thing is I have a great friend - friend for many years by the name of > David ( Davie) McCreight who lives in Phumpherston Midlothian and who > knows full well that his ancestry goes back to Ireland , and after phoning > him this morning we are eager to see if we can link him to the famous > Jeremy Irons. > > Regards > Stewart Campbell If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you can look it up yourself for a small fee. You will also be able to check on the rest of the information so that you do not make any leaps that are not backed up with reality. Its astonishing how much family lore is not as tight as one thinks You will be able to find his birth certificate, and so trace the family backwards through all the censuses HAve fun regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

Hi All Would SKS do a quick look up on the 1881 census for a David McCreight ( pronounced Mc Cright) he was thought to have been born around 1870-74, from what I know this family were thought to have been around Broxburn Midlothian area - this search is prompted by last nights BBC programme "Who do you think you are" based on research by Jeremy Irons ( oscar winning actor) which traced him back to the name McCreight in Skibereen & Inashannon Ireland. The thing is I have a great friend - friend for many years by the name of David ( Davie) McCreight who lives in Phumpherston Midlothian and who knows full well that his ancestry goes back to Ireland , and after phoning him this morning we are eager to see if we can link him to the famous Jeremy Irons. Regards Stewart Campbell

Stewart, these are the only McCreights listed in the 1881 census. No Davids MC CREIGHT, Matilda Sis <1801> Kent Kent MC CREIGHT, Harriet A. Head <1807> Kent Kent MC CREIGHT, Frances M. Wife <1809> Som Devo MC CREIGHT, John Ptnt <1809> Surr MC CREIGHT, Ann Sis <1812> Kent Kent MC CREIGHT, Henry Bro <1815> Kent Kent MCCREIGHT, William H. Head <1819> Surr Kent MCCREIGHT, Margarette M. Sis <1821> Surr Kent MC CREIGHT, Margaret Head <1829> Irel Lana MC CREIGHT, William H. Head <1829> Irel Devo MCCREIGHT, Margaret A. Wife <1829> York Kent MC CREIGHT, Alexander Inmt <1832> Irel Lana MC CREIGHT, Harriet S. Niec <1834> Devo Kent MC CREIGHT, Cicilia Asst <1839> Irel Glou MC CREIGHT, Elizabeth Wife <1839> Corn Lond MC CREIGHT, Sarah Head <1843> Lanc MC CREIGHT, Charles Head <1844> Ayr Ayr MC CREIGHT, Emily Wife <1845> Stir Ayr MC CREIGHT, James Head <1848> Irel Linl MC CREIGHT, Thomas Son <1855> Lana Lana MC CREIGHT, Sarah Wife <1857> Irel Linl MCCREIGHT, Charlotte Dau <1857> Kent Kent MC CREIGHT, My. Jane SonL <1861> Irel Lanc MC CREIGHT, George Bord <1862> Irel Linl MC CREIGHT, Mary Anne Dau <1864> Lana Lana MC CREIGHT, Wills A.N. Son <1865> Lana Lana MC CREIGHT, Mary Ann Dau <1866> Lanc MC CREIGHT, Mary Dau <1867> Glou MC CREIGHT, Thomas Son <1872> Ayr Ayr MC CREIGHT, Charlotte Dau <1873> Glou MC CREIGHT, William Son <1874> Renf Ayr MC CREIGHT, Florence Dau <1875> Glou MC CREIGHT, William Son <1875> Scot Linl MC CREIGHT, Caroline Dau <1876> Ayr Ayr MC CREIGHT, Annie Dau <1877> Scot Linl MC CREIGHT, Charles Son <1878> Ayr Ayr MC CREIGHT, George Son <1879> Scot Linl MC CREIGHT, Hugh Son <1880> Ayr Ayr MC CREIGHT, John Son <1881> WLot Linl BT wrote: >Hi All > >Would SKS do a quick look up on the 1881 census for a David McCreight ( pronounced Mc Cright) he was thought to have been born around 1870-74, from what I know this family were thought to have been around Broxburn Midlothian area - this search is prompted by last nights BBC programme "Who do you think you are" based on research by Jeremy Irons ( oscar winning actor) which traced him back to the name McCreight in Skibereen & Inashannon Ireland. > >The thing is I have a great friend - friend for many years by the name of David ( Davie) McCreight who lives in Phumpherston Midlothian and who knows full well that his ancestry goes back to Ireland , and after phoning him this morning we are eager to see if we can link him to the famous Jeremy Irons. > >Regards >Stewart Campbell > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Kia ora I'm researching the families of my great grandparents, Dugald LIVINGSTON(E) and Annie, ms McIVOR. I have just received information from The Wallace Early Settlers Association in Riverton, New Zealand. The birth record for their firstborn states that Annie was born in Kintail, Scotland. By the time of the birth of their second child, Annie is recorded as being born in Glenorchy, Scotland. Dugald is recorded as being born in Appan, Scotland at the time of the firstborn and in Glencoe when his second child was born. Appan becomes Appin at the birth of their third child. My knowledge of these places is very slight, and I wondered whether anyone could help me. Glenorchy and Appin, also Glencoe are all in Argyll, yet my maps give Ross and Cromarty for Kintail. Is there another Kintail in Argyll, possibly in the parish of Glenorchy? Can anyone suggest any good websites where I may find more information about these villages/parishes? Does anyone on this list connect at all to these names? Also CHARLESON which seems to be the name of Annie's mother, possibly Mary CHARLESON who married Donald McIVOR. Jeni, Christchurh, Aotearoa/New Zealand

Hi Morag I know CAMERON is a common name on the Ardnamurchan Peninsular, but I would be interested in knowing more of yours. Mine came to New Zealand in 1840 and a wee group of us descendants over here are trying to determine their roots in Scotland. Strontian and Acharacle are both likely, as is Ockle but baptismal records are sparse and there are so many Camerons with the same forenames! The males in our original family are Donald, Dugald, Alexander, John and Duncan, and the females are Catherine and Anne. Dorothy Subject: [ARGYLL] Parish registers I'm mostly interested in the parishes of Strontian/Sunnart, Acharacle and Ardnamurchan. Thanks Morag Researching in Argyll: CAMERON in Strontian & Acharacle DEMPSTER in Glenhurich & Strontian

I checked out the web and there are some software programs out there for documents for large institutions such as Universities and libraries. Jane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iain McKenzie Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi I'm not in a position to know what software might exist to aid indexing. What I do know is the size of the project. There are about ten thousand volumes of Kirk Session minutes, and each volume has about two hundred pages - 2 million pieces of paper. It is straightforward enough to index on parish and year, but what else might you want to index on. SCAN started with an indexing profile of about 20 headings. This proved to be impractically large. In the end they decided to reduce this to the minimum practical number. This would allow indexing to keep pace with digitisation. More detailed indexing may be considered later. Iain McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Jane Mckenzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] kirk session records vs igi > Ian, isn't there some kind of software that can index? I would think > someone > has developed that in this day and age. > Jane > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006

Ian You have been so generous with your lookups for so many people I hope you wont mind one more. An obituary from my gr gr grandmothers’ scrapbook say her father was "Archibald Campbell of Kilmahumaig" Archibald would only have been a baby or perhaps not yet born in 1779 but I would like to know about any Campbell at Kilmahumaig Kilmahumaig is near Crinan in North Knapdale Our family lore has it that Archibald Campbells was a caretaker of an Duke of Argyll estate, Perhaps near Kilmahumaig I appreciate any help you can be David K Black Kenmore Wa USA

Ian Phillips replied .. From Torosay OPR 17 Oct. 1819, Dugald McLachlan and Peggy McKinnon, Kinlochspelvie - Marrion McLachlan. So looks like death if thats what it was must have been after 17 Oct 1819. My response ... Hi Ian, No, I'm afraid it's not that simple. Dugald had remarried Peggy McEACHERN 3 Feb 1819 in Morvern and this child was not baptised until 17 Oct 1819. I am having a close look at this again to see if the Dugalds have been mixed up. Also the Parish register recorded the mother but it does not mean she was still living. This Dugald seems to have moved between Morvern and Torosay (Kinlochspelve) so I am trying to check on the children of the different marriages. My line is from Dugald's first marriage (to Mary McEACHERN) and the son Dugald who m Peggy CAMPBELL (1823 Morvern). Another problem there where she was definitely called Peggy but records have her as Mary so I suspect that this may be one of those problems with a non Gaelic speaker mixing up the Gaelic Mary and Margaret. I am still working on it all. Thank you for all your constant help to all of us. Anne.

Ian, thank you very much for these. Will try to look into them a little more. Much aloha, Lorna ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Phillips To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] lookup "Inhabitans of the Argyll Estates" McKenzie Hi Lorna, These are the John MacKenzie. Glenchrepusdale John McKenzie cottar and daughter Aross (Mull) John McKenzie innkeeper age 64 Duncan his son 36 Angus McArthur his servant 50 His wife, daughter and two servant-maids Achdashenaig (Mull) Angus McKenzie tenant age 34 John his son 12 Duncan his son 5 Archibald his son 3 Hugh his son 1 His wife Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message