Hi Bill, I am not sure what you mean but if you go to http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and put your family information in, on the 1841 census, you can just search until you find what you are looking for. Neil Rankin is on Folio 11 Page 17 at Ballachulish. I would think Cathrin might be sister John and Neil. Unfortunately, the 1841 census did not give relationships. Best wishes, Elinor.

Thank you for replying, I'll try Scotland's People as that's where I found their names on Janet's wedding certificate. Sandy (Wagga x 2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "david and lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Name Change Query McILOHOIM - McILAHOIMBIE -McIHERVIEToLAMONT ? > Hi Sandy, > > the couple I originally queried about certainly had a son named Alexander > bap 7 April 1787 in North Knapdale parish Argyll. In fact my Sarah named > one > of her sons Alexander in 1826. HOWEVER, Alexander is a fairly common name, > and I'm sure there would be hundreds of Alexander McNeills in the > appropriate time frame all over Scotland. > If Alexander and Helen were still alive at the time of Janet's wedding, > there is an extremely good chance that their deaths will be included in > the > Statutory Records (ie:Death certificates issued), which are available > online > with scotlandspeople. This is a fantastic site, and the information > included > on them is much better than the English ones. If your Alexander is on > there, > it will include his both his parents names. This site also has the > Scottish > census's so if you can find Alexander on any of these (and Janet certainly > would be on the 1851 census) it will give you a good indication of where > he > was born. > > Hope this is of some help > > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sandy, the couple I originally queried about certainly had a son named Alexander bap 7 April 1787 in North Knapdale parish Argyll. In fact my Sarah named one of her sons Alexander in 1826. HOWEVER, Alexander is a fairly common name, and I'm sure there would be hundreds of Alexander McNeills in the appropriate time frame all over Scotland. If Alexander and Helen were still alive at the time of Janet's wedding, there is an extremely good chance that their deaths will be included in the Statutory Records (ie:Death certificates issued), which are available online with scotlandspeople. This is a fantastic site, and the information included on them is much better than the English ones. If your Alexander is on there, it will include his both his parents names. This site also has the Scottish census's so if you can find Alexander on any of these (and Janet certainly would be on the 1851 census) it will give you a good indication of where he was born. Hope this is of some help Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Hi Rod, Thanks for your response. I will note both the options of Flory and Mary for future reference! I was also doing a bit of 'surfing' when I came across a site which lists the angicised alternatives to Gaelic first names. They had a listing for MOR as being a female name [ Gaelic for 'Great'] which was most commonly anglicised to Sarah. As this was in fact the name of my gggrandmother, I think I may have (happily) stumbled on to her actual baptismal record!! Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Hi, Here is a 1841 census for John Rankin, from the FreeCEN Place Lismore & Appin, Argyllshire, Enumeration Dist. 5, Civil Parish Duror Qs, Folio 11 Page 15, Address: Ballachulish Rankin John M 30 Quarrier Born Argyllshire Rankin Chirsty F 25 Born Argyllshire Rankin Cathrin F 20 Born Argyllshire Rankin Chirsty F 5 Born Argyllshire Also at the same Address Rankin Neil M 30 Quarrier Born Argyllshire Rankin Mary F 25 Born Argyllshire Rankin Rachael F 10 Born Argyllshire Rankin Donald M 5 Born Argyllshire Rankin Ann F 5 Born Argyllshire Rankin Mary F 1 Born Argyllshire The ages on the 1841 census are up or down to the nearest 0 or 5. except for children.

Septs of Clan Lamont: Black, Brown, Bourdon, Lambie, Lamb, Lamondson, Landers, Lemond, Limond, Limont, Lucas, Luke, Macalduie, MacClymont, MacGillegowie, MacLamond, Macilwhom, MacLymont, MacLucas, MacPhorich, MacPatrick, Meikleham, MacSorley, Sorley, Patrick, Towart, Toward, White, Turner. Plus: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/cairney/index.htm Paul of San Diego

Hi Lesley My Gaelic isn't sufficiently advanced to make sense of that surname. But re the given names, Flory is an alternative to Flora, and More is a mispelling of Moire pronounced "moyra" (very loosely!) being the gaelic for Mary. Hope this helps Rod Trentham Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "david and lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Name Change Query McILOHOIM - McILAHOIMBIE - McIHERVIE ToLAMONT ? >I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish > name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the > surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of > the > surname LAMONT. > I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil > and > Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the > marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora > McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from > 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? > > Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the > given names FLORA and MORE?? > > Thanks for any suggestions!! > > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have Janet McNEILL m. Allan McNABB in 1855 in the Parish of Abbey Landward, County of Renfrew. Janet's parents were Alexander McNEILL & Helen HURT but I don't know where they came from only that Janet was born in May 1829 in Eaglesham. Sandy (Wagga x 2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "david and lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Name Change Query McILOHOIM - McILAHOIMBIE - McIHERVIE ToLAMONT ? >I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish > name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the > surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of > the > surname LAMONT. > I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil > and > Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the > marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora > McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from > 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? > > Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the > given names FLORA and MORE?? > > Thanks for any suggestions!! > > Regards > > Lesley > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hoping someone with greater experience in the intricacies of Scottish name changes/anglicising etc, could advise the likelihood of any of the surnames McILOHOIM, McILAHOIMBIE, McHERVIE being an earlier version of the surname LAMONT. I have just discovered that the parents of Sarah McNEIL were John McNeil and Flora LAMONT of North Knapdale. Whilst I have found one child of the marriage on IGI (More McNeil in 1793), a John McNeil and Flora McIlohoim/McIlahoimbie/McHervie were having children in the parish from 1784. Is it possible it is the same couple, or am I way off base here?? Also, on the same theme..... is there another name interchanged with the given names FLORA and MORE?? Thanks for any suggestions!! Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

Greetings everyone, Thanks for the email Rod! I have looked at the census and the IGI. Just trying every port in the storm. Regards, Nigel Boundy Researching all things BICE, BOUNDY, COATE, FLETCHER and RETALLACK. --- roderick <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Nigel > Marriage registers for Torosay aren't available > before 1807. Have you > checked the 1841 census? > Regards > Rod McPherson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Boundy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:56 PM > Subject: [ARGYLL] John Fletcher and Mary McPhie, > Torosay c.1800-1820 > > > > Greetings from Western Australia fellow listers, > > > > Wondering if anyone is rsearching this family or > has > > information on this family? > > > > I have found 4 births in Torosay on IGI between > > 1799-1810. But I cannot find a marriage or what > > happened to the parents or children? > > > > Can anyone help please? > > > > TIA > > > > Regards, > > Nigel Boundy > > Researching all things BICE, BOUNDY, COATE, > FLETCHER > > and RETALLACK. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > The all-new Yahoo! Mail beta > > Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Re recent queries about the voyage of the 'Flora McDonald' to AUS in 1852. This ship does not appear in the archives indexes for either assisted or unassisted passengers to Sydney NSW or on the arrivals to a much later date. It would seem that it disembarked all its passengers in Victoria .. perhaps even went on to NZ?? Anne Maye.

Thanks for that info. I'll keep it in mind for future searches Regards Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 > Hello Rod, > > I have found that marriage information is usually included on the birth > entry for the earlier children. I am not sure whether IGI includes that on > there site. > > Kind regards > > Jan Peasnell/Sydney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roderick" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 > > >> Were these marriages performed by the local minister? >> Rod McPherson >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Maye" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 >> >> >>> Nigel Boundy says >>> >>>>I have found 4 births in Torosay on IGI between >>>>1799-1810. But I cannot find a marriage or what >>>>happened to the parents or children? >>> >>> >>> There were many Scottish marriages which do not appear in the >>> official church registers because I believe that the custom was >>> (until about 1926 from memory) to marry at the house of a relative or >>> friend in the community. This was legal and official and subsequent >>> children often appear in the church registers. The impression can be >>> that there were rather a lot more births out of wedlock than actually >>> was the case. >>> >>> Anne Maye >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can vouch for that possibility, from my recent searches in New Zealand, that some sailings went first to Australia, then on to NZ. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Maye" <[email protected]> > Re recent queries about the voyage of the 'Flora McDonald' to AUS in 1852. > > This ship does not appear in the archives indexes for either assisted > or unassisted passengers to Sydney NSW or on the arrivals to a much > later date. > > It would seem that it disembarked all its passengers in Victoria .. > perhaps even went on to NZ?? > > Anne Maye.

Gabrielle Baker wrote: > HI, > > The passenger list will be lodged in the Australian State that was > the final destination of the ship's voyage. This ship though it > stopped at Portland, could have had a final destination of Geelong, > Williamstown/Port Phillip (all in Victoria), Sydney (New South > Wales), or even Launceston or Hobart (Tasmania). > > The Public Record Office of Victoria and the NSW Archives have the > passenger lists online (I think the Tasmanian Archives have some from > memory), but many who paid their passage are not listed. The > tendency was to name those who got assisted passage as well as the > VIP's. many of my ancestors (including my Argyll one) do not appear > on any list as they came steerage, or 'swum over' as we like to say > down under. > > Sometimes the way in which you find the ship happens in the most > unlikely of places. If you find these people in other (non-BDM) > Australian records sometimes you will find mention of the ship. I > have seen hospital registers that cite the ship a person arrived > in. Victorian Death certificates ask how long the deceased was in > the colony and this can be used to track back to a likely year of > arrival. > > regards > > > Gabrielle Baker We are beginning to work through the very limited archives of the our local library for the Ardchattan parish. We get about an hour and a bit once a week if we are good! One thing they have is some of the local papers. And in them are the ships advertised for the upcoming passages -- would it be useful to pick these names and dates up? We are in the 1888's at the moment. Jill > > > > > > At 11:44 PM 21/11/2006, you wrote: >> Keith Dash wrote: >>> The passenger list of the "Flora McDonald", which sailed from >>> Liverpool on 21/4/1852 and arrived at Portland, Victoria, on >>> 18/8/1852 included 132 emigrants from Argyll. Unfortunately, the >>> list is not more specific as to whereabouts in Argyll they came >>> from. Two families, a total of 15 people, have been identified as >>> coming from Coll, but the origins of the other 117 are unknown. Any >>> information on emigrants from Argyll on the "Flora McDonald" would >>> be much appreciated. >> >> >> Is there a list of names? >> >> >> regards >> Jill Bowis >> www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, >> genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum >> www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and >> Poultry Centre

HI, The passenger list will be lodged in the Australian State that was the final destination of the ship's voyage. This ship though it stopped at Portland, could have had a final destination of Geelong, Williamstown/Port Phillip (all in Victoria), Sydney (New South Wales), or even Launceston or Hobart (Tasmania). The Public Record Office of Victoria and the NSW Archives have the passenger lists online (I think the Tasmanian Archives have some from memory), but many who paid their passage are not listed. The tendency was to name those who got assisted passage as well as the VIP's. many of my ancestors (including my Argyll one) do not appear on any list as they came steerage, or 'swum over' as we like to say down under. Sometimes the way in which you find the ship happens in the most unlikely of places. If you find these people in other (non-BDM) Australian records sometimes you will find mention of the ship. I have seen hospital registers that cite the ship a person arrived in. Victorian Death certificates ask how long the deceased was in the colony and this can be used to track back to a likely year of arrival. regards Gabrielle Baker At 11:44 PM 21/11/2006, you wrote: >Keith Dash wrote: > > The passenger list of the "Flora McDonald", which sailed from > > Liverpool on 21/4/1852 and arrived at Portland, Victoria, on > > 18/8/1852 included 132 emigrants from Argyll. Unfortunately, the > > list is not more specific as to whereabouts in Argyll they came > > from. Two families, a total of 15 people, have been identified as > > coming from Coll, but the origins of the other 117 are unknown. Any > > information on emigrants from Argyll on the "Flora McDonald" would be > > much appreciated. > > >Is there a list of names? > > >regards >Jill Bowis >www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, >genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum >www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry >Centre > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rod, I have found that marriage information is usually included on the birth entry for the earlier children. I am not sure whether IGI includes that on there site. Kind regards Jan Peasnell/Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "roderick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 > Were these marriages performed by the local minister? > Rod McPherson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Maye" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 > > >> Nigel Boundy says >> >>>I have found 4 births in Torosay on IGI between >>>1799-1810. But I cannot find a marriage or what >>>happened to the parents or children? >> >> >> There were many Scottish marriages which do not appear in the >> official church registers because I believe that the custom was >> (until about 1926 from memory) to marry at the house of a relative or >> friend in the community. This was legal and official and subsequent >> children often appear in the church registers. The impression can be >> that there were rather a lot more births out of wedlock than actually >> was the case. >> >> Anne Maye >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Were these marriages performed by the local minister? Rod McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Maye" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] SCT-ARGYLL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 56 > Nigel Boundy says > >>I have found 4 births in Torosay on IGI between >>1799-1810. But I cannot find a marriage or what >>happened to the parents or children? > > > There were many Scottish marriages which do not appear in the > official church registers because I believe that the custom was > (until about 1926 from memory) to marry at the house of a relative or > friend in the community. This was legal and official and subsequent > children often appear in the church registers. The impression can be > that there were rather a lot more births out of wedlock than actually > was the case. > > Anne Maye > > > > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nigel Boundy says >I have found 4 births in Torosay on IGI between >1799-1810. But I cannot find a marriage or what >happened to the parents or children? There were many Scottish marriages which do not appear in the official church registers because I believe that the custom was (until about 1926 from memory) to marry at the house of a relative or friend in the community. This was legal and official and subsequent children often appear in the church registers. The impression can be that there were rather a lot more births out of wedlock than actually was the case. Anne Maye >

Keith Dash wrote: > The passenger list of the "Flora McDonald", which sailed from > Liverpool on 21/4/1852 and arrived at Portland, Victoria, on > 18/8/1852 included 132 emigrants from Argyll. Unfortunately, the > list is not more specific as to whereabouts in Argyll they came > from. Two families, a total of 15 people, have been identified as > coming from Coll, but the origins of the other 117 are unknown. Any > information on emigrants from Argyll on the "Flora McDonald" would be > much appreciated. Is there a list of names? regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

Hi, According to the information I have, OPR records for Torosay marriages between 1805 to 1819 and 1830 to 1854 exist. I would suggest that this request for information is posted to the Isle of Mull List ([email protected]). I would do it myself but I have only just noticed that this thread is on the Argyll list and the names of the parties is not included in the latest posting. Ian ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net