Dear listers, We have a problem defining where an ancestor worked. He worked in several big "hotels" in Oban in the 1880s. Australian rellies assume that's a pub. American rellies assume it's a place to stay overnight. Cosidering that the man in question worked in a Temperance hotel, and was married in the Temperance hotel in Perth, I don't think that a watering hole is the right assumption. But what WAS the difference in Scotland in the nineteenth century? What are the nuances of the term? Can anyone give us a clue? Sheila in Missouri

Hi List The Southend in (Essex) England is properly called Southend-on-Sea. Southend in Argyll is, as it says, at the south end of the Mull of Kintyre : http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=165000&Y=615000&A=Y&Z=5 Regards Les

Have a look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southend,_Kintyre Chris in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.stevenson" <[email protected]> To: "MARGARET KIPP" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Southend names I thought Southend was in Essex, England. Sandy (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARGARET KIPP" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Southend names > > > Hello, > > I am not sure where "Southend" is, but I looked over the names and > noticed "Lailt" which I presume is the name of a house. Some of my > ancestors lived in a Lailt house or cottage near Kilvaree, which is north > of Oban, and south of Connel Ferry. My relatives were at Lailt about > 1880. > > Margaret in Toronto > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought Southend was in Essex, England. Sandy (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARGARET KIPP" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [ARGYLL] Southend names > > > Hello, > > I am not sure where "Southend" is, but I looked over the names and > noticed "Lailt" which I presume is the name of a house. Some of my > ancestors lived in a Lailt house or cottage near Kilvaree, which is north > of Oban, and south of Connel Ferry. My relatives were at Lailt about > 1880. > > Margaret in Toronto > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Next group of names from the MacNeill of Carskey book (see earlier message for details). The order is Name [My capitalisation]; Place; Year From/To; Status or Occupation. Hugh WALLACE; Lailt; 1720; Tenant Archd McMATH; Balliveanan; 1720; Tenant Archd McNEILL; Macharioch; 1720; Tenant William McLARTY; Cariskey; 1720; Part Tenant Lauchlan McMILLEN; Glenamuill; 1720; Tenant Hew McSHENOIG of Lepinstra; 1720; Owner Barbara McTAYLOR; Carskey; 1720; "former servant" William FFAILL; Campbeltown; 1720; Couper Laughlan McNEILL; Glenadill; 1720/21/22; Tenant Mary McILHEANY; Lailt;1720/21; Tenant John bane McMILLEN; Uperkill; 1721; Tenant Neill McVICCAR; Lailt; 1721; Tenant Donald bane McMATH; Lailt; 1721/22; Tenant Neill McILHEANIE; Carskey; 1721/25; "my workman" Archd McMURCHY; Glenadill; 1721/22/23; Tenant Donald McSEHNOIG; The Upertoun; 1721; Tenant Malcolm McGIBBON; Kill [sic] [author's annotation]; 1721/24; Tenant Thomas BURDIE; Machrimore Mill; 1721; Packman Donald McILHEANY; Achinsavill; 1721; Part Tenant John McSHENOIG; Lepinstra; 1721; Tenant Donald McMURCHY; Glenadiluachtrach; 1722; Tenant Donald McQUALISKY; Upertoun (with his father); 1722; Tenant John McINKAIRD; ? ; 1722; Weaver Duncan McGINNAS; Glenrean; 1722; Tenant John McNEILL; Ballivranan; 1722; Tenant Rori McCONACHIE; Borgadilmore; 1722/31/34; Tenant John McCOMARA; Macharioch; 1722/23; Weaver Archd McNEILL; Carskey; 1722; Tenant Alexander HYMAN; --- ; 1722; Miller to Sanna Barbra CAMPBELL; Kilwhipnach; 1722; Tenant (my antt) Donald OMEY; Keill; 1722; Tenant Duncan McSHENOIG; Kerameaneach; 1722; Tenant Dugald McCALLUM; Gartnacopaig; 1722; Tenant Gilbert McQUALISKIE; Carskey; 1722; Servant Donald MORRISON; Machrimore; 1722; Brewer John McCAMROSS; ffeorlin; 1722/23; Tenant (Two pages remain, and two further message will be sent over the next few days) Sarah

Southend is on the south end of the Kintyre Peninsula, on the North Channel, about eight miles south of Campbeltown. Janet Morrison

Moira: Thanks for the website info. for the California Death Index. In your Dec. 30 th posting on this list, you mentioned Angus Kerr & his family immigrated to Canada about 1832. Do you know what province in Canada they settled in ? ? Would you like me to do some Canadian research on this family ? ? If so, give me whatever Canadian info. you have on them & I'll see what I can find for you. John Shoemaker, Ontario, Canada.

Hello, I am not sure where "Southend" is, but I looked over the names and noticed "Lailt" which I presume is the name of a house. Some of my ancestors lived in a Lailt house or cottage near Kilvaree, which is north of Oban, and south of Connel Ferry. My relatives were at Lailt about 1880. Margaret in Toronto

Moira: Many thanks for the death record of Barbara ( nee Byers ) Kerr. I was curious of the souce of the info. Is it available on the internet ?? Sorry for all the questions. Thanks again. John Shoemaker

Hello & Happy New Year! Here is something I got from another rootsweb list. Just picture this ... It is New Year's Eve 1852 and John Smith sits at his desk by candlelight. He dips his quill pen in ink and begins to writes his New Year's resolutions. 1.No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming year. 2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row. 3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never list the same age or birth year twice on any document. 4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish. Every third child will not be baptized at all or will be baptized by an itinerant minister who keeps no records. 5. I resolve to move to a new town, new county, or new state at least once every 10 years -- just before those pesky enumerators come around asking silly questions. 6. I will make every attempt to reside in counties and towns where no vital records are maintained or where the courthouse burns down every few years. 7. I resolve to join an obscure religious cult that does not believe in record keeping or in participating in military service. 8. When the tax collector comes to my door, I'll loan him my pen, which has been dipped in rapidly fading blue ink. 9. I resolve that if my beloved wife Mary should die, I will marry another Mary. 10. I resolve not to make a will. Who needs to spend money on a lawyer. 11. I resolve to not clutter up the good farm pasture's with headstones, that will just get broken or fade with time anyway. 12. I resolve to protect my family and friends privacy, by giving false names and places for events. 13. I resolve to never give the correct accounts of miss deeds in the family, so when Uncle Lem shot that guy and was tried for murder, my kids will be told he stole a cow. 14. I resolve to never trim the family cemetery of brush and tangle weed,to keep out any one doing that silly Genealogical work. 15. I resolve to always alternate my kids and wifes first and middle names when the census taker comes around, just to give him practice with his spelling. 16 I resolve to come from Ireland (where there are no records or if there are they can only be examined by visiting the exact village, pleading with the local clergy (who is hostile to anyone not of his belief which of course you are) and/or handing over a fee equal to or exceeding your yearly income for one hour's research which may not find anything.) 17. I resolve that not only shall I NOT die in my country of birth but that nor shall my children (yea verily) unto the sixth generation. 18. I resolve that I shall call my children by odd names which the enumerator shall spell incorrectly. 19. I resolve that I shall be absent on the night of the census. 20. I resolve that if unable to be absent on census night I shall endeavor to be enumerated twice. 21. I resolve that when I die my children/wife are instructed to give the wrong details for my death certificate. 22. I resolve that I and most of my family shall die suddenly just before death certification is brought in, in a parish where easy access to the records ceases the previous year.

I think this is all the Cameron's that I listed previously. Hopefully it's fairly accurate. Im not brilliant with place names in the area. The two that I found hard were: Camis chorik? and Rhe Saashiriach? Ive just written what they looked to be! So lord knows. The rest are fine though. Regards Morag ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parish of Strontian Mary Cameron, Crofter, widow of Donald Cameron (Crofter) Died: 1893 March 25th 12h noon. Woodend. 90 years. Parents: Donald Cameron, Farmer (deceased); Catherine Cameron ms McNaughton (deceased) Cause of Death: old age & debility. Not Certified. Informant: Christie (or Christine) Cameron, daughter, present. Reg: April 3rd Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron, Crofter, Single. 1893 June 25th 11h 0m am, Camis chorik?. 58 Years parents: Archibald Cameron, Shepherd (deceased) Jean Cameron ms McPherson (deceased) Cause of Death: Diabetes about 1 year Informant: John McCallum (Grand Nephew). Reg: June 29th Parish of Acharacle Donald Cameron, tenant? or Servant?, (single) 1885 December 29th 8h 0m Pm, Acharcle. 91 Years Parents: John Cameron, servant, (deceased), Sarah Cameron ms Cameron (deceased) Cause of Death: Age and debility not certified. Informant: Alexander Cameron, nieces husband (present). Reg: Jan 5th Parish of Strontain Donald Cameron, Crofter, Widower of Sarah McIntyre 1901 November 18th 6h 41m am. Rhe Saashiriach? 95 Years Parents: Allen Cameron (crofter) (deceased), Flora Cameron ms Kennedy (deceased) Cause of Death: Old age. No medical attendant. Informant: Donald Cameron, son in Law, present. Reg: Nov 23rd Parish Of Strontian Donald Cameron, Farmer, Widower of Margaret Cameron, Ms Mclean 1877 January 20th 2h am?, Strontian. 83 Years. Parents: Martin Cameron, Farmer (deceased), Mary Cameron Ms McMillan (dec) Cause of Death: Old age, not certified. Informant: Hugh [B?]oyd, son in law, Present. Reg: Jan 30th Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron, heaver? Married to Mary Cameron. 1883 November fifteenth. 1h 10m pm, Anaheilt. 72 Years Hugh Cameron, Crofter, deceased. Ann Cameron Ms McKenzie (deceased) Cause of Death: Consumption 12 Months. No medical attendant. Informant: John Cameron, son, present. Reg: Nov 17th Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron, weaver, widow of Margeret Fletcher. 1892 May sixth. 9h 0m am. Anaheilt. 81 years. Parents: Hugh Cameron (cannot read occupation) (deceased), Jesse Cameron ms Cameron (deceased) Cause of death: (Cannot read 1st part) of Urine. One month. Certified. Salen, Sunnart. Informant: Hugh Cameron, son, present. Registered: May 10th Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron (underneath this is "widower" and "shepherd" but has then been scored out) 1875 Sept 2nd. 84 years Cause of death: Old age and Over exertion. Ranachan, Strontian. Parents: none listed Informant: Duncan McNiven Procurator Fiscal. Fort William. Reg: Sep 18th Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron (widower) Crofter. 1870 DEc 4th 11h Pm. Auchlich. 75 years. Parents: Angus Cameron, Mary Cameron ms McMillan. Cause of death: ? no medical attendant. Informant: Ann Cameron X her mark, daughter (present). Reg: Dec 18th Western District of the Parish of Ardnamurchan Sarah Cameron. 74 Years. Where born: Ormsaigbeg Parents: John Henderson, Agriculural labourer (deceased), Catherine Henderson, ms McEachern (deceased). Husband: Hugh Cameron Children in order of birth: Catherine (42), Mary (38), John (36). Date of death: 1855 October 4th. 11h 0m am. Cause of death: Unknown, 6 months. No medical attendant. Burial place: Kilchoan, not certfied. Informant: John Cameron (son). Reg: Oct 9th Parish of Strontian Donald Cameron, lead miner. Widow of Nancy ____?. 1885 August 25th 11h 5m am. 82 years Parents: Duncan Cameron lead miner (deceased), Catherine Cameron Ms McIntosh (dec). Cause of death: Old age and debility, no medical attendant. Informant: Hugh Kirsop? Cameron, son, present. Reg: 3rd Sept.

Hi Luis, Alma & everyone, My great great great grandparents were Hugh MCGREGOR (1802 - 1874) & Mary HOUSTON (1809 - abt. 1890) who married in Balquhidder, Perth in 1832. As far as we can tell, his parents were John MCGREGOR & Janet MCGREGOR & her parents were Peter HOUSTON & Mary Stewart from Trinity Gask, Perth. Hugh & Mary had sons John 1833, James 1834 & Robert 1836 in Balquhidder, then the next 9 children were born starting about 1839 in Argyll. Hugh was overseer at Inverneill & at Taynish - both CAMPBELL owned properties. Even some of the children had CAMPBELL middle names. I think there was a very close, likely family, relationship between my MCGREGORs and the land owning CAMPBELLs. Hugh was likely hand picked to come to Argyll to run these farms. I've not been able to sort out Hugh's siblings back in Balquhidder. There were so many MCGREGORs there at the time, all with the SAME given names! I do know of 1 brother, Duncan MCGREGOR, who at 10 years younger than Hugh would be born about 1812. We only know of Duncan because he came to Argyll with them, but I don't know what became of him. The next generation on, Dugald Cambell MCGREGOR (b. 1849 at Taynish, d. 1929 at Balihourgan) married Margaret MCMILLAN (1862 - 1932) in Govan in 1883 (was just looking at the children's births & it seems Dugald, as informant, didn't know his wedding anniversary - he gave 4 different dates over the years!) The only Kilchrenan MCGREGOR I have in my files is one I gathered by mistake & paid for at scotlandspeople, but kept because I paid for it! lol I have a 1892 birth for a Jessie MCGREGOR d/o Gregor MCGREGOR & Jessie QUINTON??? b. May 5, 1892 at Sonorhan?? Cottage. Many of my MCGREGORs migrated to Govan & Greenock. Mary in Canada

Moira, California: One of my ancestors Barbara Byers married a John Kerr ( s/o Duncan & Janet Kerr ) in Grey County, Ontario, Canada, on 5 Feb; 1869. In the early 1870's they relocated to Colusa, Colusa, California. Barbara Kerr, widow was shown on the U.S. 1910 & 1920 Census, as residing in Oakland, Calf. Would this family be related to your Kerr ancestors ? ? John Shoemaker, Ontario, Canada

Next group of names from the MacNeill of Carskey book (see earlier message for details). The order is Name [My capitalisation]; Place; Year From/To; Status or Occupation. Cossin Margaret McNEILL; Amod; 1717; Tenant Donald McILHEANY; Stragoill; 1717; Tenant Thomas McNACHLAIN; Gartvaij; 1717; Tenant Donald McKEARCHAIR; Lailt; 1717; Tenant Donald McNEILL; Balligrogan; 1717; Resident Ranald McALISTER; Machrimre; 1717; Resident Neil McILCHONALY; The Mill; 1717/19; Shoemaker John McILHEANY; ---; 1717/18; Schoolmaster John McILCHONALY; Carskey (this toon); 1717; Weaver Gillchuim McILCHONALY; Auchinsavill; 1717; Resident Hew McMILLEN; Borgadilbeg; 1717; Tenant Neill McKIARMOID; Ormsary; 1717/18; Tenant Jo. McVICCAR; Lailt; 1717/18; Tenant William CAMPBELL; Lailt; 1718; Tenant John McILREANJ; Machrimor; 1718; Tenant Donald McILOLINEY; Glenadill; 1718; Weaver Archd McMURCHIJ; Glenadill; 1718; Tenant Gilbert McQUAILISKY; Carskey; 1718; Part Tenant John McNACHLAIN; Drimarranach; 1718; Tenant William CAMPBELL; Balimacomra; 1718; Tenant Christian McFFATAR; The Muill; 1718; Tenant Lauchlan McMILLEN; Glemanuill; 1718; Tenant Robert SMITH; ---; 1718; Clothier Mr Dugald CAMPBELL; ---; 1718; Minister? Duncan CAMPBELL of Drimnamucklach; 1712/18/37; Owner Neill McKAY; Branerikin; 1718/21/22; Tenant John McINKAIRD; ---; 1718/19; Weaver Jean RIDD; Kildavie; 1719; Tenant John McFFARLAN; Poliuillin; 1719; Tenant Malcolm McNEILL; Lepinbeg; 1719/33; Tenant John McILHEANY; Ballinacuissag; Tenant Kathrin McNEILL; Macharioch; 1719; Tenant Malcolm McMILLEN; Borgadillmore; 1719; Tenant John McCAMROSS; Macharioch; 1719; Tenant Dugald McILVANE; Ormsary; 1719; Part Tenant John McILMUN; Carskey; 1719; Miller Georg Wallace; Dunglass; 1719; Tenant I'll be interested to know if anyone can connect to any of these people. Best regards Sarah

Hi Alma, Did you have an Argyll connection for your MCGREGORs before they were in Bonhill? I ask because I descend from some MCGREGORs who were in Argyll after 1832 (they came from Balquhidder, Perth originally). Mary in Canada Subject: [ARGYLL] mc gregors of Bonhill Alexandria > Looking for Mc Gregors who lived and worked in the area > John and Jean M c Grgor 1802 , his family ,

Looking for Mc Gregors who lived and worked in the area John and Jean M c Grgor 1802 , his family , Duncan his son and family of 11 all seen 1881 and part of family on 1901 Duncan a plumber His son my grand father came to Liverpool to play foot ball 1891 has him in this area and as a professional football , Any help please understand a book with all footballers is held not sure who to write to alma

In response to Moira, California. Try an IGI Parent Search for Angus Kerr & Janet McWilliam ( was that the correct name of the mother ?? ). It shows 8 matches, including an ARCHIBALD, christening 5 Jan; 1813, Killean & Kilchenzie, Argyll, Scotland. John Shoemaker, Ontario, Canada

Dear John, I have heard the name Sadie used instead of Sarah. Regards, Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sheather" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 31 December 2006 11:26am Subject: [ARGYLL] re names? > Could someone please help me with the variations of "Saidie", also "Nancy"? Thanks for your help! > > Best regards. > > John & Betty Sheather > [email protected] > 2006-12-31 > > Created with Foxmail 5.0 e-mail client. > You can get it at http://www.GoodFreeSoftware.netfirms.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.4/615 - Release Date: 3/01/07 1:34pm > >

I am interested in researching my ggg grandparents. JOHN McLARTY was born ca 1812 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland. He married AGNES CURRIE (or CURRY) in 1844 in Campbeltown, Argyll. AGNES CURRIE (or CURRY) was born ca 1820 in Argyll. She was the daughter of SAMUEL CURRIE and GRACE unknown. JOHN and AGNES McLarty had a son JOHN CURRIE McLARTY born ca 1844 in Argyll and a daughter ISABELLA McLARTY born ca 1848 in Argyll before coming to Victoria, Australia around 1848/49. I am quite new to genealogy and have recently subscribed to Ancestry.com but have not been able to locate this family on the 1841 Scottish census. Any help at all would be most welcome. Much of the information I have so far has come from the IGI and I realise this may not be entirely accurate. Perhaps there is someone else out there researching this McLARTY family?? Thank you, Jenni Gibson Melbourne, Australia Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Jenni said >I am interested in researching my ggg grandparents. > > JOHN McLARTY was born ca 1812 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland. He > married AGNES CURRIE (or CURRY) in 1844 in Campbeltown, Argyll. AGNES > CURRIE (or CURRY) was born ca 1820 in Argyll. She was the daughter of > SAMUEL CURRIE and GRACE unknown. JOHN and AGNES McLarty had a son JOHN > CURRIE McLARTY born ca 1844 in Argyll and a daughter ISABELLA McLARTY born > ca 1848 in Argyll before coming to Victoria, Australia around 1848/49. > > I am quite new to genealogy and have recently subscribed to Ancestry.com > but have not been able to locate this family on the 1841 Scottish census. > Any help at all would be most welcome. Much of the information I have so > far has come from the IGI and I realise this may not be entirely accurate. > > Perhaps there is someone else out there researching this McLARTY family?? She should have a look at Howard Ulph SMITH of NSW's research : http://www.airgale.com.au/mclarty/index.htm#TOC Best Wishes Les