I thought this might be of interest. It was new to me. Iain MacIntosh Scottish Borders -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Win MacKenzie Sent: 19 January 2007 05:33 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Old cottages Hi Meg, You aren't able to send attachments to the Rootsweb lists, but you can send them to the Message Boards. The link to the Argyll Message Board is: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.arl.general/mb.ashx If you do that send a message to the list, so that listmembers would know to take a look at the photos on the message board. Not everyone looks at the message boards as frequently as they do the list mail. Regards, Win MacKenzie meg wrote: > Hello > I have been trying to send an email with a photo of old cottages attached but didn't manage to send them as one message. > Do you have a computer wizz there who can put the two together and send my emailed message along with the photo to your list ? > I wondered if anyone could recognise the cottages from an old photo taken ca 1915. Where was the photo taken and are the cottages still standing? > With thanks and kind regards, > Meg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have been trying to send an email with a photo of old cottages attached but didn't manage to send them as one message. Do you have a computer wizz there who can put the two together and send my emailed message along with the photo to your list ? I wondered if anyone could recognise the cottages from an old photo taken ca 1915. Where was the photo taken and are the cottages still standing? With thanks and kind regards, Meg

Hello Does anyone recognize this group of lovely old cottages from an old photo taken ca 1915? Where was the photo taken I wonder and are the cottages still standing today? Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards, Meg --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Meg said > I have been trying to send an email with a photo of old cottages attached Sorry Meg but you can't send attachments to the List. Send them to my e-mail address and I'll see if I can fire them in the right direction. Do you have any idea at all as to the general area they may be in. Regards Les

Hi Meg, You aren't able to send attachments to the Rootsweb lists, but you can send them to the Message Boards. The link to the Argyll Message Board is: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.arl.general/mb.ashx If you do that send a message to the list, so that listmembers would know to take a look at the photos on the message board. Not everyone looks at the message boards as frequently as they do the list mail. Regards, Win MacKenzie meg wrote: > Hello > I have been trying to send an email with a photo of old cottages attached but didn't manage to send them as one message. > Do you have a computer wizz there who can put the two together and send my emailed message along with the photo to your list ? > I wondered if anyone could recognise the cottages from an old photo taken ca 1915. Where was the photo taken and are the cottages still standing? > With thanks and kind regards, > Meg

We have family mystery that has been passed down through the generations which I hope you may be able to solve for us. Flora MacDonald born 1811 in Killean was supposed to have been the daughter of a MacDonald chief but was cut off from her family because she married beneath her. True or false? does anyone know. Regards Ann

Looking for information re Thomas Eaglesome and Lizzie Weir family at Campbeltown. md 1881 there. Have information to share. Eaglesome family came from Ballantrae, Ayr. regards, Jen

A contact of mine came across a cemetery headstone that may be of interest to someone that has Campbell ancestors from the Isle of Coll. The headstone is located in the Scots Uniting Churchyard at Campbellfield, Hume Highway, Campbellfield, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The inscription reads: "In memory of ELIZABETH who died 14 April 1854 aged 46 and ALEXANDER who died 12 Feb 1867 aged 70 daughter and son of the Late MURDOCH CAMPBELL ESQ of Coalis, Isle of Coll Argyleshire. Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord". The contact's name is Kate Brial <[email protected]> and she can provide a photo of the headstone to anyone who is interested. _________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia

Hello all - all the best for 2007! Having spent my career in the hospitality industry - between 1949 and 1996 - I can say that as far as I know, all 'hotels' were indeed 'hotels' - i.e. places of accommodation usually with food service and often, but not always, bar facilities, in the UK. It was not until I came to New Zealand in 1966 that I found out a hotel was indeed a 'boozer' - a pub, but it was called a hotel. I have since discovered the same in Australia. The 'hotels' in New Zealand had accommodation and food service. Neither the accommodation or the food service were much used at that time(who would want to use facilities of such a dreadful standard?!!) and existed because the law required those facilities in order to obtain a liquor licence! In 1966 we still had what was known at the "6 o'clock swill" -!! Bars had to close at 6 pm in those days and the last half hour had to be seen to be believed! The jugs were lined up on the bar and filled from a hose like a petrol pump! People actually lined them up on their tables to see how much they could down in the last half hour before closing time! They often actually drank from the jugs!! My late, former, husband used to call the bars a "cross between a public toilet and a petrol filling station"!! That's a fitting description of some of the awful scenes in those days. Shortly after, in the years after1967, the hours were gradually changed, however, it did not change behaviour and the men - no women in those bars then - rolled home drunk just the same, only it was a bit later. If a woman was bold enough to go into those bars then it was assumed she had an alterior motive! The next 10-15 years saw many changes and huge improvements in all hospitality services, thank goodness. The last 25 years have seen wonderful changes and New Zealand now has top 'real' hotels with superb accommodation and food service and stunning wines! There are also many restaurants which can easily compete with those in other countries. It's a terrific place to live and although I often hanker after Bonnie Scotland - even after 40 interesting years here! - I'm glad to be here!!! In my genealogy researching and 'meeting' up with some cousins who have helped me greatly, I now have relatives here in NZ and also in Australia and Canada. There are other McKellars in the USA who I believe may also be related. That's my next project as well as continuing to try to find more recent relatives. All the best and regards to all Lorna New Zealand

Kirsten McTavish: I'll do a little searching for you regarding Susan Robson. Do you know what part of Canada she lived in ? ? John Shoemaker

Sandy, I only have access to the microfilm INDEX films: Death 1895 MacCOLL, Lucy 70 Lismore #4 The age is a bit different than you thought. Also the spelling of MACCOLL. This should make it easier to find the cert on Scotlands People The IGI shows only 1 child born to John McCOLL and Lucy McCOLL - Peggy b 07 Jun 1860 Lismore, Argyll I looked at the microfilm indexes for the marriage of Lucy McColl between 1857 and 1862. There weren't any that I could find. If you get Peggy's birth certificate the date of the marriage should be on it. Seems odd that they would have only one child, unless John died young, Lucy was a nickname or, as Jill suggested, McColl was not her maiden surname. Have you found them on any of the cenuses? If you search on the IGI for Lucy McColl you'll find that someone has submitted a "Pedigree Resource file" for John McCOLL and Lucy McCOLL. It does list the submitters name and address. Regards, Win MacKenzie Jill Bowis wrote: > On 16/01/07, a.stevenson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Dear Listers, I'm having trouble finding a death record for my >>g.g.grandmother Lucy McCOLL b. abt. 1818 m. John McCOLL abt. 1857-61 at >>Lismore, Argyll. I have in my notes that she died in 1895 but I can't >>confirm this. I've tried Scotland's People to no avail. Sandy >>(Australia) > > > > Was McColl really her maiden name? > So many records for women are in their maiden names even after they are > married that you may be looking for the wrong name? > > regards > Jill Bowis > www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, > genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum > www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry > Centre > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I believe that there are/were various kinds of hotels. They were places of accommodation and food and if licensed provided alcohol as well. In the 'olden days' travellers did not necessarily use them as tourist stops solely but as a necessary stop on longer journeys or as here in Australia, isolated families took the family 'to town' and stayed several days. This was because they often lived as much as several hundred km from town. The family business was attended to, major shopping was done, and then they headed home. There was a bar (served alcohol) but the main dining room was a family room. In Australia to get a hotel licence the publican must provide accommodation .. it's not just a boozer. Then there are taverns and inns which have slightly different regulations re the accommodation. Often if there was no single people's accommodation some permanent workers in an area had a room in a hotel .. a type of boarding house. In England I believe that so called private hotels were usually a type of temperance hotel .. accommodation only .. and the private suggested that they were not brewery affiliated. I am no expert in the area so look forward to info from others. Anne Maye.

Hello Sheila, I don't think that you are looking at what we would now call a pub. Oban was a popular tourist attraction in those years, people went to Iona and Staffa. If you can get your hands on a book called 'Iona and Staffa via Oban' by Bob Charnley ISBN 1 873597 02 9 you will find several photos of 'Hotels' in the book. A caption under the Oban - Craig Ard Hotel, states "The accommodation of this new and spacious Hotel is ample, the Rooms lofty and well-aired - near the steamboat Pier, and commanding one of the most picturesque and extensive views of Argyleshire. Mrs McLaurin, in returning thanks to the Nobility, Gentry, and Tourists, for the liberal support she has for many years received at the Woodside Hotel (Which she still maintains), hopes, by sparing no exertion to secure comfort, to be honoured with the amount of patronage as on former occasions." There is also a photo of the Alexander Hotel, Oban and also an indoor sketch. There is also a photo on page 33 of a Temperance Hotel which was in George Street. Although it is a small book it has quite a lot about hotels and Oban in the 1880s. Kind regards Jan Peasnell/Sydney/OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & S Tryk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Argyll" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] A question of semantics > Dear listers, > We have a problem defining where an ancestor worked. He worked in > several big "hotels" in Oban in the 1880s. Australian rellies assume > that's a pub. American rellies assume it's a place to stay overnight. > Cosidering that the man in question worked in a Temperance hotel, and was > married in the Temperance hotel in Perth, I don't think that a watering > hole is the right assumption. But what WAS the difference in Scotland in > the nineteenth century? What are the nuances of the term? Can anyone give > us a clue? > Sheila in Missouri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 16/01/07, Les Horn <[email protected]> wrote: > > In the 1880's the pecking order would be Boarding House, Temperence Hotel, > Hotel, Large Hotel. One place that is quite useful to find images of things like this is ebay Set up a search for your particular place of interest and see what comes up. Ebay will email you with new items For the likes of Oban there are LOTS of postcards. If the search was restricted to Oban hotel then you would get less of the rest All you need to do is save the page to have the image for your records. regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

Dear Listers, I'm having trouble finding a death record for my g.g.grandmother Lucy McCOLL b. abt. 1818 m. John McCOLL abt. 1857-61 at Lismore, Argyll. I have in my notes that she died in 1895 but I can't confirm this. I've tried Scotland's People to no avail. Sandy (Australia)

Sheila asked : > We have a problem defining where an ancestor worked. He worked in several > big "hotels" in Oban in the 1880s. Australian rellies assume that's a pub. > American rellies assume it's a place to stay overnight. Cosidering that > the man in question worked in a Temperance hotel, and was married in the > Temperance hotel in Perth, I don't think that a watering hole is the right > assumption. But what WAS the difference in Scotland in the nineteenth > century? What are the nuances of the term? Can anyone give us a clue? Oban contained/contains several large hotels - well, it is the gate-way to the Isles - and a fair sprinkling of Temperence Hotels - none these days - although several B&Bs/Guest Houses don't 'have the drink' :( In the 1880's the pecking order would be Boarding House, Temperence Hotel, Hotel, Large Hotel. These days it's B&B (Bed & Breakfast), Guest House, Small Independant Hotel, Large Company run Hotel A pub was/is something entirely different - it is purely a place where the evil drink was/is consumed - no I'm not a tea-totaller. If her reli' worked in Oban in 1881 he could well appear in the Census If she let's me have details I';ll see whether I can find him. Best Wishes Les ========================== Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n ==========================

On 16/01/07, a.stevenson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Listers, I'm having trouble finding a death record for my > g.g.grandmother Lucy McCOLL b. abt. 1818 m. John McCOLL abt. 1857-61 at > Lismore, Argyll. I have in my notes that she died in 1895 but I can't > confirm this. I've tried Scotland's People to no avail. Sandy > (Australia) Was McColl really her maiden name? So many records for women are in their maiden names even after they are married that you may be looking for the wrong name? regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

Dear listers, Many thanks to all of you who have contributed such interesting information about hotels in Scotland -- especially Temperance hotels. The family stories were especially fascinating. Now we can carry on with our family history! Sheila in Missouri

Dear listers, I'm sorry if this is a duplicate request, but the computer just gave me an "oops" on my last message. Must be due to the ice storm we've been deluged with here. We have a question about what a term means -- or rather, what it meant in Scotland in the 1880s. An ancestor worked in several big "hotels" in Oban, and was well known in town. An Australian rellie thinks this means pubs or inns, where whisky would be sold. In the US a hotel is a place to stay overnight or longer, and doesn't necessarily have any eating or drinking establishments on the premises. But what were the nuances of the term in Scotland in the nineteenth century? This ancestor, mind you, worked at Temperance hotels, and was married in the Temperance hotel in Perth. Please help us with some clues! Sheila in Missouri