Hi List Could someone please tell where Upper Shervone, Glassary is located. Thanks kindly Jean McKellar Hammond London, Canada

deborah robertson <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Mary I couldn't find a birthplace for Mary Houston but i did get the following :- Mary Austin and Hugh McGregor married 7 Apr 1832, Balquhidder, Perth (M113315) Children:- John bap. 29 June 1834, Balquhidder (C113315) James bap. 19 July 1835, Balquhidder (C113315) Robert bap. 16 Oct 1836, Balquhidder (C113315) Janet bap. 7 Apr 1839, Campbelltown (C119556) Hugh bap. 10 June 1842, North Knapdale (C115304) Duncan bap. 29 Apr 1844, North Knapdale (C115304) Mary bap. 5 July 1846, North Knapdale (C115304) Anne bap. 29 Nov 1847, South Knapdale (C115334) Dugald Campbell bap. 15 July 1849, South Knapdale (C115304) Joshua Bowden bap. 16 Nov 1851, South Knapdale (C115334) Peter bap. 18 Dec 1854, South Knapdale (C115334) Joshua born 12 Apr 1857, South Knapdale (C115331) **numbers in brackets are IGI batch numbers so you can check them on www.familysearch.org** 1841 census, South Knapdale, Argyll Address - Ormsary Hugh McGregor , 38, Ag Lab , b.Scotland Mary McGregor , 28, , b. Scotland John McGregor , 6 , , b. Scotland James McGregor , 5, , b. Scotland Robert McGregor , 4, , b. Scotland Jess McGregor , 2, , b. Scotland 1851 census, South knapdale, Argyll Address - Inverniel HEAD Hugh McGregor , 47 , Farm Overseer , b. Balquhider WIFE Mary McGregor , 37 , , b. Perth Brother Dunn McGregor , 29 , Ploughman , b. Balquhider Son John McGregor , 16 , Apprentice Wright , b. Balquhider Son James McGregor , 15 , Scholar , b. Balquhider Son Robert McGregor , 14 , Scholar , b. Balquhider daug Janet McGregor , 12, Scholar , b. Campbelltown Son Hugh McGregor , 8 , Scholar , b. North Knapdale Son Dunn McGregor , 6 , Scholar , b. North Knapdale Daug Mary McGregor , 5 , Scholar , b. North Knapdale Daug Ann McGregor , 3 , , b. Loom Knapdale Son Dugald McGregor , 1, , b. North Knapdale Boarder Sarah Campbell , 13, Scholar , b. Loom Knapdale Servant Flora Grahams , 25 , Dairey Maid , b. North Knapdale Servant Ann McDonald , 16 , House Servant , b. North Knapdale Visitor Dugd. Brodie , 18 , School master , b. North Knapdale I think Mary was probably born in Perth(shire) as she recorded on 1841 census as being born in Scotland rather than Argyll. Best of luck with your research, Deborah Robertson (P.S I have MacGregors from Perth, Perthshire. Robert MacGregor married to May Cameron Abt 1800.)

Jennie: I know someone who has hit a McArthur brick wall in 1750, but his came from the Isle of Skye. Is this of interest Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Towan" <[email protected]> To: "Les Horn" <[email protected]>; "Argyll Rootsweb" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] McArthurs & McPhees Appin > Hi Les - thought I had replied to your kind offer? You wrote: <according to > the Cargill/Fairweather (1968) Index there isn't a headstone for any of her > lot> Meaning Margaret McPHEE's family? > Are there any McARTHURs buried there? Unfortunately the information I had > was very sketchy and imprecise. :-( Thank you Les, I appreciate your > kindness. Cheers, Jennie > > >> Jennie asked >> >> > Is there some very, very kind person who lives near Appin and who owns a >> > digital camera ....... and could visit t& take photos of he ruined > church >> > & McArthur/McPhee headstones? >> >> I'll call in next time I'm passing Kinlochlaigh Old Churchyard on my way > to >> Oban. However, according to the Cargill/Fairweather (1968) Index there >> isn't a headstone for any of her lot. >> >> Regards >> Les >> ========================== >> Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - > http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n >> ========================== >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.22/666 - Release Date: 3/02/2007 > 3:31 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Les - thought I had replied to your kind offer? You wrote: <according to the Cargill/Fairweather (1968) Index there isn't a headstone for any of her lot> Meaning Margaret McPHEE's family? Are there any McARTHURs buried there? Unfortunately the information I had was very sketchy and imprecise. :-( Thank you Les, I appreciate your kindness. Cheers, Jennie > Jennie asked > > > Is there some very, very kind person who lives near Appin and who owns a > > digital camera ....... and could visit t& take photos of he ruined church > > & McArthur/McPhee headstones? > > I'll call in next time I'm passing Kinlochlaigh Old Churchyard on my way to > Oban. However, according to the Cargill/Fairweather (1968) Index there > isn't a headstone for any of her lot. > > Regards > Les > ========================== > Lochaber and North Argyll Family History Group - http://tinyurl.com/y6te7n > ========================== > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.22/666 - Release Date: 3/02/2007 3:31 PM > >

Euphemia mc Callum married to Alexander M c Gregor One son John born in Kilchrenan 1802 Looking for details on Euphemia Mc Callum s marriage to Alexander No dates but if John first son possible 1801 ? Alexander was a Shepherd any help to find the family alma

HI Janet, Yes - I agree too about spelling - but Daryl and I each have a Dugald/Dougall McCorkindale - his born 1809, mine 1820 - to the same name parents - Archibald McCorkindale and Margaret McEachern. Each of us has her/his Dugald/Dougall marrying different people - his went to Oz and mine stayed in Argyll as a mariner. I am sure fine toothcombing of the OPRs will clarify and there may possibly have been two Archd McCorkindales married to two Mgt McEacherns but this is what we are trying to sort out. Maybe a first-double-cousin marriage? Cheers, Mary >I am sure someone will agree that spelling doesn't mean too much in >research. I have a number of circumstances such as you describe, >including first cousin marriage. > > > Hi Daryl, > > > > Ah - well if they were both Dugald I would say the first one died and > > the couple had a second son by the same name. But one is spelled > > Dougall so I am not so sure - especially if you have a future for the > > second one! "My" Dugald McCorkindale - a mariner - married Janet > > McEwing and had 4 or 5 sons then his wife died ( or rather was found > > dead) in February 1881. He remarried in October 1881 to Maggie Kelly. > > I don't know whether they had any children but an earlier Dugald > > McCorkindale married an earlier Margaret Kelly in 1825 and had > > children in the 1830s. A lot of cousins married cousins I think. > > > > This is the gravestone for Janet and some sons: > > > > Erected by Dugald McCorkindale Master Mariner > > In memory of his beloved wife Janet McEwing > > Who died February 13th 1881 aged 56 years > > Also his three sons > > Archibald, Hugh and James > > Who died young. > > > > The other sons of Dugald and Janet were Andrew and Dugald. > > > > I can't find the marriage you mention on the IGI. > > > > I imagine this will make things less clear - sorry! > > Cheers, > > Mary > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Daryl, Ah - well if they were both Dugald I would say the first one died and the couple had a second son by the same name. But one is spelled Dougall so I am not so sure - especially if you have a future for the second one! "My" Dugald McCorkindale - a mariner - married Janet McEwing and had 4 or 5 sons then his wife died ( or rather was found dead) in February 1881. He remarried in October 1881 to Maggie Kelly. I don't know whether they had any children but an earlier Dugald McCorkindale married an earlier Margaret Kelly in 1825 and had children in the 1830s. A lot of cousins married cousins I think. This is the gravestone for Janet and some sons: Erected by Dugald McCorkindale Master Mariner In memory of his beloved wife Janet McEwing Who died February 13th 1881 aged 56 years Also his three sons Archibald, Hugh and James Who died young. The other sons of Dugald and Janet were Andrew and Dugald. I can't find the marriage you mention on the IGI. I imagine this will make things less clear - sorry! Cheers, Mary >There appears to be 2 Dugald's in the same family ? >I have a Dugald McCORKINDALE chr 26 sep 1809, m. Flora McLEAN in >1844 and died at Strathdownie, Western Victoria in 1868 >Do you have any info on both ? >Regards >Daryl Povey > >At 03:35 PM 3/02/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Daryl, >>Dugald was born 1820 and his parents are Archibald McCorkindale and >>Margaret McEachran according to my records. I would guess he is >>probably the same person - parish registers seem to mix first names up a lot. >>Best wishes, >>Mary >>>Are the parents of your Dugald McCORKINDALE - Archibald >>>McCORKINDALE & Janet McEACHERN who had a family in Campbelltown >>>from 1807 - 1820 or is he related ? >>>Regards >>>Daryl Povey

I am sure someone will agree that spelling doesn't mean too much in research. I have a number of circumstances such as you describe, including first cousin marriage. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <[email protected]> > Hi Daryl, > > Ah - well if they were both Dugald I would say the first one died and > the couple had a second son by the same name. But one is spelled > Dougall so I am not so sure - especially if you have a future for the > second one! "My" Dugald McCorkindale - a mariner - married Janet > McEwing and had 4 or 5 sons then his wife died ( or rather was found > dead) in February 1881. He remarried in October 1881 to Maggie Kelly. > I don't know whether they had any children but an earlier Dugald > McCorkindale married an earlier Margaret Kelly in 1825 and had > children in the 1830s. A lot of cousins married cousins I think. > > This is the gravestone for Janet and some sons: > > Erected by Dugald McCorkindale Master Mariner > In memory of his beloved wife Janet McEwing > Who died February 13th 1881 aged 56 years > Also his three sons > Archibald, Hugh and James > Who died young. > > The other sons of Dugald and Janet were Andrew and Dugald. > > I can't find the marriage you mention on the IGI. > > I imagine this will make things less clear - sorry! > Cheers, > Mary

Hello, Trying to sort out another line here. My 3x great granny was Mary HOUSTON (abt. 1810-1893) who married Hugh MCGREGOR in Balquhidder, Perth abt. 1832. Three sons were born there & abt. 1836 they migrated to Southend, Argyll. After a short stay there, they moved to Knapdale & were at Inverneill & Taynish - I forget which order - & 9 more children arrived. Now Mary HOUSTON has become a bit of a mystery. It was believed she was d/o Peter HOUSTON & Mary STEWART of Trinity Gask, Perth - now I'm not so sure. 1) Her death reg. for March 23, 1893 at West District, Greenock, Renfrew gives her parents as James HOUSTON & Mary MCPHERSON. Of course perhaps her son, James MCGREGOR, informant, made a mistake. 2) 1861 census, Lochgilphead, Argyll, where the family was before going to Greenock, circa 1870, says Mary was born Glenorchy, Argyll. I think I will need to see what other census give as her birth place before I believe this 100% Anyway, it does cast a lot of doubt on her origins. Wondering if anyone can add anything to this? Also looking for burial place for Mary & her husband Hugh MCGREGOR - maybe at Inverneill? Thank you! Mary

Thanks William Re: 'What is a cottar?' you wrote: 'A cottar is a Scots word for a tenant occupying a cottage with or (from the > late 18th century) without land attached to it or a married farmworker who > has a cottage as part of his contract. The word dates from the 15th century.' Silly me, I could have googled the word too ..... didn't think! But thanks so much for your trouble. Have replied via the list in case anyone else is interested. Cheers, Jennie

Hello Jan My gggrandfather was also a farm grieve. I understand that he was responsible for collecting rents from other farmers for the Duke of Argyll. If anyone has a better description, I'd also be happy to hear it. Thanks Les, for the web site about Mull. Very interesting - I now know where the original Calgary is!! My son lives in the Canadian version. Regards to all Lorna NZ www.lornamack.com - for McKellar information etc!

Hello Lorna, That is interesting, I hadn't realised that a member of the family may have worked for the Duke. I wonder if it a person who would also collect rents for any land owner. They say a lot of negative things about UK beaches but I can tell you that the sand on Calgary beach is about the whitest and finest I have ever seen. It is just startling when you see it against the blue sea. A really lovely area of Mull. Kind regards Jan Peasnell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna van der Lijn" <[email protected]> To: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] Donald and Janet McGilvray Kilmorich > Hello Jan > My gggrandfather was also a farm grieve. I understand that he was > responsible for collecting rents from other farmers for the Duke of > Argyll. If anyone has a better description, I'd also be happy to hear it. > > Thanks Les, for the web site about Mull. Very interesting - I now know > where the original Calgary is!! My son lives in the Canadian version. > > Regards to all > Lorna > NZ > www.lornamack.com - for McKellar information etc!

Hello Listers, I am wondering if someone could tell me exactly were Kilmorich is? Is anyone researching the family below? I am researching McGilvray and McIntyre families predominately from the Ross of Mull but one son Donald (b. 1856) married a Janet Colquhoun in Kilmorich on the 26 May 1890. His parents were Donald McGilvray and Christina McIntyre from Ardalanish and her parents were David Colquhoun and Ann McIntyre, Kilmorich. Both Donald and his father were recorded as Farm Grieve can someone tell me what that particular job would have been. Donald and Janet (Jessie) had children Donald 1892 Kilmorich, Agnes 1894 Glenarief, Angus 1900 Glenarief. Your assistance is very much appreciated. Kind regards Jan Peasnell/Sydney/OZ

Hi Jill Totally understand your predicament, you can only stretch yourself so far! :-) I have emailed a Marilyn Kristiansen of the Appin Historical Society (found it buried in a webpage for Appin Stewarts), hope that is still appropriate - if you have more up to date info can you let me know please? Have just googled Lismore & found it is an island - you will appreciate I am in Australia and have NO knowledge of the land of my forbears (but am gaining knowledge very quickly thanks to this great list) - thanks so much Jill, new doors are opening every day!! :-) Cheers, Jennie>

Hi Janet I am greatly excited to have found my John MCPHEE & Mary LIVINGSTON on this site - have only just glanced at it & can't vouch for its authenticity, but you might find it of interest if you haven't already seen it. http://www.members.aol.com/richfordhistory/scottish1.htm Cheers, Jennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: "Jill Bowis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] LIVINGSTON.... McArthurs & McPhees Appin > Jill: I note what you say and I've had a look around the site and I cannot believe the progress you have made. Its a great resource and a credit to you. > > In case any one else is interest also, I have a LIVINGSTON line that I have not been able to trace. Its LIVINGSTON as a middle name CAMPBELL in Mull and have always wondered about its origins. > > If anyone has a similar interest, please step forward. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Bowis" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Les Horn should be about -- he should know someone !! > > I would love to be able to but I REALLY need to get Ardchattan finished, > > and start with the Benderloch one and the Dalvuie site - I got nothing done > > last autumn and if it pours with rain all next week I will be scuppered > > again. > > We only get a few hours off a day for a week in Feb and a week in Oct so we > > are very limited with "out and about" time > > > > The Appin Historical Society have been around a long time > > They may well have information that can help you > > > > MCARTHUR Malcolm, farmer > >> SINCLAIR Christina (wife) > >> MCARTHUR John (son born abt1825 Lochgilphead) > >> MCPHEE Margaret (wife of John, born abt1837 Appin - or Port Appin) > >> MCPHEE John (Margaret's father, farmer) > >> LIVINGSTON Mary (Margaret's mother) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 1/02/2007 2:28 PM > >

Hi Sally - No, you will not have been in touch with me before, as I have only just begun seriously researching my McARTHUR line. Can't tell you too much, except that Margaret was Margare McPHEE before she married, born 1837 at either Port Appin or Oban (both have been quoted on birth certificates for children). Her father was John McPHEE (from marriage cert) born about 1801 Argyllshire (from 1841 census. Her mother was Mary LIVINGSTON (from marriage cert) born about 1801 (from 1841 census) 1841 Census Piece: SCT1841/525 Place: Lismore & Appin -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 5 Civil Parish: Lismore & Appin Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 5 Page: 1 Address: Achnacone Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks MCPHEE John M 40 Cottar Argyllshire MCPHEE Mary F 40 Argyllshire MCPHEE Mary F 25 Argyllshire MCPHEE Donald M 15 Argyllshire MCPHEE Jean F 10 Argyllshire MCPHEE Ann F 7 Argyllshire MCPHEE Margt. F 5 Argyllshire Do you (or anyone else?) know where or what Achnacone is? Village? Farm? And what is a 'cottar'? Have spent HOURS trying to find this family in 1851, but they seem to have disappeared off the map - the only ones possible, and the ages are wrong, are on some remote island in the Hebrides!!! I do know that Margaret was in Glasgow in 1857, getting married to John McArthur, and she was in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in 1858 having her first child. Hope that info is of help - and thanks for your info - sorry I can't tell you any more about John McPhee at this stage. Cheers, Jennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally McPhee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [ARGYLL] McArthurs & McPhees Appin > Hi Jennie > I am interested in McPhees from the Lochaber area. I am unsure from your > email whether or not Margaret was a McPhee by birth or married John McPhee. > If it is John McPhee, what do you know about his siblings and ancestors? > While my known McPhees come from Lochaber, DNA testing suggests they belong > with the group that were on Islay or Glen Urquhart. McPhee in Appin is > likely to belong with the wanderers like mine. I dont think I have been in > touch with you before. > > Cheers > Sally > [email protected] > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:38:25 +1100 > > From: "Jennie Towan" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [ARGYLL] McArthurs & McPhees Appin > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi > > As a newcomer to the list, I have a BIG request. Is there some very, very > > kind person who lives near Appin and who owns a digital camera ....... and > > could visit t& take photos of he ruined church & McArthur/McPhee > > headstones? > > I am told the church is not far out of the centre of Appin, and it does > > not > > have a roof. My McArthur interests are: > > > > MCARTHUR Malcolm, farmer > > SINCLAIR Christina (wife) > > MCARTHUR John (son born abt1825 Lochgilphead) > > MCPHEE Margaret (wife of John, born abt1837 Appin - or Port Appin) > > MCPHEE John (Margaret's father, farmer) > > LIVINGSTON Mary (Margaret's mother) > > > > I have not done much research yet, and would appreciate any pointers > > (thanks > > for posting the recent valuable info btw). Cheers all, Jennie > > (Australia)> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 1/02/2007 2:28 PM > >

Thanks Donald & Chris, The HAMILTON jigsaw is coming together, thanks to helpful list members. I wondered how an Edinburgh girl (Margaret BLACK 1794 - 1870) meets a Lesmahagow fellow (George HAMILTON 1794 - 1887) & ends up in Kilberry, Argyll. Well, it looks like Margaret's farmer father, John BLACK & wife Catherine LOCKIE, had been moving their family westward over time until they settled in Carnwath, Lanark by about 1800. This puts Margaret & George in the same area at the same time. Still not sure how/why exactly they came to be in Teretigan, Kilberry at a time (1850) when others were moving away - maybe part of farm improvement scheme. Here is another question: Who was the John HAMILTON b. Lesmahagow, Lanark 1820, s/o Andrew HAMILTON & Agnes STEPHEN, who married George & Margaret's daughter, Catherine HAMILTON? He certainly must have been a cousin. When did he come to Argyll? Was his family here first & perhaps the inspiration for George & Margaret coming here? Lots to consider! Thank you! Mary in Canada

Hi Sarah, Thank you so much for all these names - am I right in thinking there are actually 5 lists and Part 1 was your introduction? I hope to use them to prowl through Argyllshire graveyards - nearly all the names seem to be related to my ancestors! - so many McNeills, McSporrans and even a McCorquidell. I am sure there are connections but as you say - the gap is hard to bridge. I noted your Greenlees - McCorkindales_ - I have Janet Ewing who married Dugald McCorkindale in 1851. They married in Dumbarton but he was a mariner and both were from Campbeltown (Janet's mother was Sarah/Marion McNeill from Gigha). They seem to have had 5 sons. Can you see any of these folks anywhere on your tree? <<Janet GREENLEES (1840 - ) married Malcolm McCORKINDALE (son of Donald McCORKINDALE and Janet McGILL) in 1863, and may well have emigrated to New Zealand, as did much of Malcolm's family.>> Cheers, Mary

On 02/02/07, Jennie Towan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Janet > I am greatly excited to have found my John MCPHEE & Mary LIVINGSTON on > this > site - have only just glanced at it & can't vouch for its authenticity, > but > you might find it of interest if you haven't already seen it. > > http://www.members.aol.com/richfordhistory/scottish1.htm Well done for your interest - Achnacone :- the farm http://www.spanishorse.homestead.com/mypageindex.html http://www.spanishorse.homestead.com/aboutus.html http://www.muttonhunters.homestead.com/muttonhuntersindex.html and the big house http://www.lhhscotland.com/house/200.asp regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

On 01/02/07, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jill: I note what you say and I've had a look around the site and I cannot > believe the progress you have made. Its a great resource and a credit to > you. I have not been able to do much recently but hope to get myself a bit more organised this week Thank you -- its much apppreciated In case any one else is interest also, I have a LIVINGSTON line that I have > not been able to trace. Its LIVINGSTON as a middle name CAMPBELL in Mull > and have always wondered about its origins. > > If anyone has a similar interest, please step forward. Have you asked on the Mull list or on www.mullgenealogy.co.uk -- I don't know if Ian is lurking around here !?! but he might have some good ideas have you already seen - ? http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/MullSearch.Asp?indv_no=17759 regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre