Bob: I am copying this to the Sumter List, also, relative to questions, below. Thanks so much for the response! As best I can tell (land platts, etc.), the old John Shaw (the immigrant) home place is in the SW (possibly the SE) quarter of the intersection of SC #527 and I-95. The old cemetery site (one can actually pick out the cemetery site terrain on the US Coast & Geo. Survey map) turns out to be probably on what I think used to be the Capt. George Cooper (elder for 33 years in Brick Church & father of GW "william" Cooper) plantation. That is, the Shaw's and Coopers were next-door-neighbors. Both families were deeply involved in the Presby. church, and I have wondered if there is any historical library (PC?, Princeton) which might have collected any old correspondence with the pastors of Brick Church or Concord or Mayesville...maybe even pastor's diaries; do you know how to pursue this? I've seen old Brick Church session records here in Columbia at the Carolinianna library and at the archives in Montreat, NC. My files show that Judge AJ Shaw's father was a Thomas Lynch Shaw (1795-1855) and mother was Nanette Walker (1810-1863). I don't know for sure my source, but I had that Capt. George Cooper's wife was Isabella Bradley ( a Sumter List post from you to a Blanche had indicated his wife as Jane Law): could you double check on this? You and I are clearly "connected"; a previous program that I used, Brothers Keeper, could calculate relationships. I use Reunion software now and it only calculates up to 255 "blood" relationships. I am 56 and am guessing that you are maybe 52. I would certainly like the Cooper direct line from GW "William" back to at least the immigrant and any immigrant info (the ship...the story, etc.). That reminds me: Is there an internet web site that really goes into some detail about what the immigrant ships of the 1700's were like...I'd love to be able to have more authoritative detail, for example about the John Shaw immigrant ship, Hopewell? Ervin & Betty Shaw Lexington, S. C. my web site http://www.public.usit.net/poptop photo at office http://www.lexmed.com/medical.htm

This time I am sending ALL listings under the "G's"n not just the names of people: John Gallard, Rev. W.A. Gamewell, Mary Grandy, Gantt(Judge Richard, Gantt family), Captain Garden, S. Gardner, Gas Light Co., Geiger (Abram, Geiger family, Geiger's Mill), German customs in Lexington, Gervais Street, Gibbes (James G., Dr. Robert W., W.H., Gibbes family), Allen Gibson, Gist(Robert W., Jr., R.V., W.H.), Gladden (Col. A.H., Mrs. A.H.), Glass (J.B., John), Glaze (Middleton, William), William Glenn, John Glover, Goings family, R.H. Goldthwaite, Duke Goodman, Goodwyn (James T., Col. R.G., Col. Robert H., Col. Thomas J.), Gordon's Mills, Henry Gourdin, John I. Gracey, Granby, Gramby Courthouse, Gramby Ferry, William Gray, Green (Dr. Aleen J., Duff, Mrs. Eliza, Dr. F.W., Gen. Nathaniel, Dr. Sam), Greenville and Columbia RR, Gregg (Col. James, Gen Maxcy, William ), Gross (George, Jake), Guignard (Green, Major James S.), Gunter family Blanche

Ervin, George Cooper b. 3 Apr 1759 and d. 20 Jul 1829, and buried back left of Brick Church was married 3rd to Isabella Bradley (ca.1794) daughter of James Bradley and Agnes Frierson. His 4th wife was Jane Law of Society Hill, SC (m. 8 Aug 1816). They were married by the Rev. John Cousar. This last marriage produced the last and only child of George Cooper to reach maturity, George William Cooper (known by William) b. 2 Aug 1817, d. 6 Apr 1875. The property you speak of must have been "Rollindale" where both George Cooper and his son George William Cooper died. The last mention I have of "Rollindale" was the birth of the 8th child of George William Cooper and his 1st wife Mary Elizabeth Scott. This was Robert Muldrow Cooper b. 9 Mar 1853, d. 6 Jul 1919 who m. 22 May 1879 Mary Nannette Shaw (daughter of Judge Archibald J. Shaw). George William Cooper and Mary Elizabeth Scott were married by the Rev. Robert Wilson James. George William Cooper married 2nd Rosa Isabella Pelot of Washington, GA 14 Jun 1854. They were married by The Rev. Dr. George H. W. Petrie. George Wm. Cooper had six more children by this marriage. Judge Shaw's mother Nannette Walker was the daughter of James Walker (1765-1815) and Mary Guerry (1771-1819). Her parents were Peter Guerry and Mary Ann La Grand. James Walker's parents were William Walker and Judith Rembert. There is also a Rembert on Mary Guerry's side. Her grandfather Pierre Guerry (d. 1736) was married to Marguerite Rembert. It seems to me that I have run across a web site describing the ships before. I'll check. Bob Robert C. Manning, Jr. PO Box 98 Smyrna, GA 30081-0098 rcmjr@aol.com rmanning@dhr.state.ga.us

Bob, I don't recognize those names as being part of my Shaw line. Jackie

Jackie, William Cooper m. in 1751 Jane James daughter of Elizabeth Witherspoon & William James. Judge Archibald James Shaw, son of, Thomas Lynch Shaw, was the father of Mary Nannette Shaw m. 22 May 1879 Robert Muldrow Cooper. Bob Robert Cooper Manning, Jr Atlanta rcmjr@aol.com rmanning@dhr.state.ga.us

Thanks - I have Chastain lines

Judy, The mention of the Coogler family is when he writes of his visit to Spring Hill, Saluda, etc.: " From Granby I returned home, and proceeded the next week to collect in the Fork, at George Lorick's, Spring Hill (then kept by Thomas L. Veal), and Col. Jacob Counts', on the road from Columbia to newberry, and at Shealy's and Fred. Wise's on Saluda. At Lorick's I met the Shulers,Metzes, Huffmans, Leaphearts, Loricks, COOGLERS and others whose proximity to the Columbia market enhanced the value of their lands far beyond what it would have been at a greater distance." On the next page he is talking about Spring Hill: "At Spring Hill the favorite amusement was throwing long bullets or rolling small cannon balls by hand.The leading families in the neighborhood were the Riveses, Williamsons, Freshleys, ELEAZERS, Slices, Lindler, Busbys and others."

Bob, how do go figure in with the James and Shaws? I have both of them in my family. Jackie

At 09:30 AM 1/28/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 01/19/2000 8:47:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, >boan@mciworld.com writes: > ><< Mr Ervin visited the area in > July of 1971, and found nothing there indicating its historic past except a > simple monument erected by the Huguenot Society of SC to mark the spot where > the church stood. > >> >Pam, > >May I ask who is this Mr. Ervin? Could this be Sam Ervin who did a lot of >research in the 1960's on the Ervin families. > >>From your study of these Church records, did you note surnames of other >families that settled in Sumter district along with Claude and Unity >Richbourgh > >Regards, Gene > > This is a reference that comes from the TRANSACTIONS OF THE HUGUENOT SOCIETY OF SOUTH CAROLINA. Sam J. Ervin, Jr. (you are right, the our good cousin the senator) "The Richbourgh Family of South Carolina," TRANSACTIONS OF THE HUGUENOT SOCIETY OF SOUTH CAROLINA, Vol. 78 (1973) pp. 61-79. I use Senator Sam's article and quote extensively from it in Chapter Two of my book on the Life and Descendants of The Reverend Claude Philippe de Richebourg and His Wife Anne Chastain. I have visited the site he is referencing. It is the original Jamestown on the bluff above the Santee River, near present-day Jamestown, South Carolina. Sorry for interrupting the correspondence! Bill Simpson >==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== >Rootsweb has a search engine available for its mailing lists. >If you don't know which list you'd like to search, check out the list >of lists hosted by RootsWeb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ >You can search the message archives of the SCSumter list at: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

In a message dated 1/28/00 9:03:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Genewelch@aol.com writes: << and the Witherspoons have Welch connections >> Yes, Gene, I completely omitted Lucy Welch. Sorry about that. Does your wife's line include Judge Archibald Shaw or Thomas Lynch Shaw? I have very little on this name, although, I have some gold coins, a pair of gold-rim glasses, a pen knife and a pen from my gg grandfather Archibald. Bob

Bob, Thanks anyway. You come from some nice families. My wife has a Shaw line and the Witherspoons have Welch connections and I have seen many of the surnames you cited on various deeds and documents in Sumter District records. Best wishes to you as you continue with your searches. Regards, Gene

I am truly sorry, but I am unrelated to any SC Manning's. My grandfather Frederick Claude Manning and my uncle F.C. Manning, Jr. and my father Robert Cooper Manning are the only Manning's in my family with connections to South Carolina. My father and uncle were both born in Sumter. My grandfather is probably the only yankee Manning buried at Brick Church and I'll bet money he's the only Catholic. My South Carolina roots are Cooper, Witherspoon, James, Montgomery, Scott, Shaw, etc. Bob Robert Cooper Manning, Jr Atlanta rcmjr@aol.com rmanning@dhr.state.ga.us

I am trying to locate information about William Moultrie REID and his family. He was minister at Mount Zion Presbyterian Church, Sumter District , now Lee County, from ca. 1834 until 1872. In 1867 the congregation deeded a manse to him, where he lived until his death in 1884. His family: Wife: Margaret GOLDING, born June 1814, died ? Children: James Merrick Reid b Jan 1836; m Anna Campbell REID; d ? Thomas Golding Reid b 1837; d ? George Harvey Reid b 7 Feb 1840; d 6 May 1922 Bishopsville, Lee Co, SC William Moultrie Reid b Jan 1842; m Adelaide M WILSON; d ?1877 Anne E Reid b ca. 1843; m ____ KELL; d ? Charlotte E Reid b Oct 1845, d ? Charles C Reid B Feb 1850, m Maria WALPOLE, d ? Mary W Reid b ca. 1852, m _______ CHANDLER, d ? Margaret Golding Reid b ca. 1856, d ? Thomas, George and William all served in Captain Garden's Palmetto Light Artillery Regiment. As you see I have many question marks. I have already looked at the obvious publications I can find, such as Howe's History of the Presbyterian Church; Nicholes' Historical Sketches of Sumter Co; US Census through 1920; Dedmont's Southern Bronze; the Sumter and Lee Co information at the Mormon Library. Does anyone know where the records of this church are located? Have the gravestones in this church's cemetery been copied and published? Where can I find the deed for the manse the congregation gave William Moultrie? Thanks, Mary Anderson

Dear Blanche, If it isn't to much trouble would you please list the references on the Coogler Family and the Eleazer Family. Thanks so much, Judy in Georgia

Bob Manning, Do you have any information on an Elizabeth Manning born c1800 in SC, probable daughter of Marcum Lott Manning. Elizabeth married John Welch from SC and they removed by 1815 to Conecuh, Alabama c1815. I have a young friend in Texas that I am unable to help with her search on the Welch and Manning line. Any help you could give her would be apprciated. Regards, Gene

Kay, I am sorry but I know nothing of Mary Elizabeth Scott or anything about the Yarborough family. Edwin Scott did not name any of his family in his book (which disappointed me a great deal). He only referred to them as "my father (whom I happened to know was named William), my mother (Roxanna Anderson Scott), my brothers and my sister. I have heard that many of the Scotts moved to the Mississippi territory in the early 1800's, but Edwin's family stayed in South Carolina. If I happen to run across any information on the above, I will email you. Blanche

Here are the surnames beginning with E: Baylis J. Earle, W.W. Eaton, Adam Edgar, Mr. Edgerton, Col. O.E. Edwards,John Eiffert, Eleazer family, Dr. Stephen Elliott, Elmore (B.T., Col. Frank), English (Bond, Mrs.), Evans (Judge Josiah J., Tom), David Ewart, Col. Charles Ewing. Here are the surnames beginning with "F": Dr. Samuel Fair, Alexander Falls, Faust (Clem, Daniel M., Edwin, Jane, John J., John M., Faust family), James Fenton, Mr. Fentress, Fisher (Edward H., John, Dr. John, Mrs. John, Fisher's Mill Pond), Fitch (Dr. Augustus, Burwell), Mrs. C. Fitzsimmons, Flanigan (Dick, P.H., Tom), James T. Fleming, Mrrs. Sara), Jesse Floyd, Bill Force, Fort (A.H., William), Fox (Jesse, John), Frazier (Isaac, Maria), Frick (Tom, Frick family), Friday (Manuel,Friday family), John D. Frost, Fulmer family Blanche

Bob, Here are the "Cooper references in Scott's book: They had to do with Columbia 1817-1822. The first took place after the victory of the Nullification advocates to the Legislature. "From Coleman's (a theatre where a celebration was held) the crowd marched with military music to greet some of the leading Nullifiers, calling first on Col. James Gregg, who went with us to the college where old Dr. Cooper made a short speech, and then to Col. J.J. Chappell's, on the corner now occupied by the Presbyterian printing office." The second reference was in the chapter detailing the residences of Columbia at that time: "Dr. James Davis' residence was on the Northwest corner of Plain and Sumter streets....Once it was said old Dr. Cooper rode his little white pony to Dr. Davis', where he was very intimate, soon after its tail had been closely shaved by some of the students,and being asked what ailed the pony's tail, replied "That is the fashion", which being heard by Dr. Davis' coachmen, he resolved to follow the fashion, and forthwith shaved the tails of his master's carriage horses." The third reference is from a chapter which includes "remarkable Negroes": Old Sancho Cooper, who for many years belonged to Dr. Thomas Cooper. President of the College, who was generally regarded as an infidel,though he professed to be a Unitarian, whose remains, I heard were refused burial in a Prebyterian churchyard. Sancho was a highly respected member of the Methodist Church and long officiated as a preacher to the colored people. His son, Sancho, who is still living (this was 1884) , and who waited on me through a protracted sickness in 1876,'77, and '78 came from Africa when quite a child, and he tells some interesting anecdotes of Dr. Cooper's indulgence to himself and to his own children, often in spite of the wishes and remonstrances of Mrs. Cooper. He says the Doctor, for 2 or 3 months before his death, had old Sancho to pray with him and for him every night and morning." Blanche

KAY, COULD YOU LOOK FOR PRICE'S IN YOUR BOOK. MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS WILLIAM HITCH PRICE. RUBY PRICE JOHNSON

In a message dated 01/19/2000 8:47:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, boan@mciworld.com writes: << Mr Ervin visited the area in July of 1971, and found nothing there indicating its historic past except a simple monument erected by the Huguenot Society of SC to mark the spot where the church stood. >> Pam, May I ask who is this Mr. Ervin? Could this be Sam Ervin who did a lot of research in the 1960's on the Ervin families. >From your study of these Church records, did you note surnames of other families that settled in Sumter district along with Claude and Unity Richbourgh Regards, Gene