Hey Kathy, Check for friends, neighbors, and preachers. Some of my relatives got named that way. Dee >if anyone has info on a mystery name in my Holladay lines. On November 19, >1847 my ancestors John James Holladay and Julia Elizabeth Stukes had a son. >They named the son Shields Priestley Holladay. I have been unable to find >the name Shields or Priestley on any previous Holladay or Stukes lines. So, >where might this name have come from? Every Holladay generation in my line >(male and female) and many off lines carry this name down to today's >generation

Does anyone have any information on William Paul Smith? He was born about 1838. He was in the Civil War, wounded and captured. He lived long after the Civil War. Marci-Jo Charleston, SC MarcijoM@aol.com

8-1-1814 John Hodge inherits from Rosanna Maples 150 acres in Clarendon. The above information comes from the Von Hacke files. Does anyone know of any Hodge/Maples connection or have access to the Maples listing for the Von Hacke files? I would very much like to learn the connection between the two people. Thanks Faye

Blanche, I must have missed the name of the book. I am new to the list. Could you send it again. Sounds like a book that I would love also. My first Stone ancestors lived along the Black River on Nasty Branch. They were surnames Stone, Maples, Brown, Giddens, Murrell, Osteen, and Corbett. Thanks, Lonne ----- Original Message ----- From: <wargreen@ix.netcom.com> To: <SCSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: [SCSUMTER-L] Rabb and race track > Gene, > > The reference to John Rabb was in Scott's chapter on early Columbia > and the houses and places of business. I will cite the sentence > concerning Mr. Rabb. If you need more let me know. > > "Across Gervais Street John Rabb kept a tavern at the corner where > Barney Reilly afterwards did a prosperous business in the grocery > line." > > > The mention of the race track is in his chapter on "the burning of > Columbia" during the Civil War.(February 17, 1865). He devotes > several pages to the days leading up to the terrible night and > describes the horror of drunken Union soldiers out of control. > > > "Hampton's house , on Camden Road and Arthur's in the suburbs, were > burnt before night. Just after dark, Puryear's, at the race > track, and Dr. Wallace's were on fire." > > > > Blanche > > > > ==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== > To unsubcribe from the SCSumter mailing list send a one word message, unsubscribe to: > SCSumter-L-Request@rootsweb > If you are subscribed to the Digest mode send your unsubcribe message to: > SCSumter-D-request@rootsweb.com > >

Jackie, That is so neat! I have several of those names in my Richardson data base but I had never tried to put it together. My G Grandfather was an overseer for the Richardson Plantation. Some of the Stones and related people married into the Richardsons. I am looking for information on a particular one. Perhaps you can help. I am looking for Charles M. Richardson (b. 1823) who m. Mary Ann Mercer (b. 1828). They had at least two sons, Dorcas and Randolph. I appreciate any help! Lonne ----- Original Message ----- From: <VisitHeaven@aol.com> To: <SCSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SCSUMTER-L] Burchull > Cindy, I read your E-mail about 10:00 A. M. this morning. Here are some > thoughts. I looked in the "The Cemeteries of Old Sumter DIstrict Vol II" > for anything to help you. I couldn't find anything. I started thinking. > Take this for what it is, my thoughts. There was a James Burchell Richardson > (1), whose father was General Richard Richardson (2), of American Revolution > fame, whose father was Richardson (3). Richardson (3) married a ???? > Burchell. General Richard Richardson (2) passed his mothers name to one of > his sons. James Burchell Richardson (1) (1770-1836) became the fourteenth > state governor of South Carolina, 1802-1804. Now here goes some of the > neatest information I have run across. That James Burchell Richardson (1) > had a brother named John Peter Richardson I. John Peter I had a daughter > names Elizabeth Peyre Richardson. This is the neat part. Elizabeth was the > niece of a governor, James Burchell Richardson (1). She was the sister of a > governor, John Peter Richardson II. She was the wife of a governor, Richard > Irvine Manning. She was the mother of a governor John Laurence Manning. She > was the aunt of a governor, John Peter Richardson III. She was the > grandmother of a governor, Richard Irvine Manning. I'm telling you all of > this to say that just maybe your ancestors named someone Burchill or Burchull > because they liked the name and they got it from a very politically powerful > family at the time. I have noticed that people would name their children > after especially famous military people, like Francis Marion, or Wade > Hampton. Do you understand what I am saying? Now I have no way of knowing > that any of this is true. I will be watching for a White, James White or > Alfred Burchill White while I am watching for other names. Tell me what you > think. This is all in the right time frame. Burchill was passed on to others > in this Richardson family. It has been passed on to as late as a Henry > Burchell "Punch" Richardson who died around 12 May 1997 and was born on 15 > Oct 1916. Henry Burchell "Punch" Richardson's obit says that he is survived > by two sons, one being Henry B. Richardson Jr. of Sumter. Guess what his > middle name is? Will be waiting to hear from you. Jackie > > > ==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb has a search engine available for its mailing lists. > If you don't know which list you'd like to search, check out the list > of lists hosted by RootsWeb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ > You can search the message archives of the SCSumter list at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

While I am quoting Edwin Scott's book I would like to quote what he writes about my gggggrandfather (his grandfather) in hopes that someone out there might recognize the name and be able to help me find William Anderson's first wife. His second was Sarah Richardson and they moved to Mississippi in 1811.with several of his children, leaving behind Roxanna Anderson Scott (Edwin's mother), William Anderson,Jr., and Liza Anderson Powell. "At home, my first recollections found me at Sumterville, where my father kept a tavern in 1806, when I was about three years old. To get me out of the way at Court time, when the house was full of guests, I was sent to the home of my grandfather, Wm. Anderson,some ten miles East of the village, beyond Black River, between it and the Brick Church (Presbyterian), which then stood nearly, if not exactly, on the beautiful spot occupied by the present day Salem Presbyterian Brick Church, Black River. The river swamp where we crossed it was half a mile wide, crowded with large trees, and had a high bridge over the main current of the stream, which was reached by a causewayed road through the black and sluggish water on either side, so narrow and crooked that a passenger could see but a few yards ahead;always looking gloomy and threatening, often hazardous and sometimes impassable. Now it has a broad embankment, above the highest freshets, through which the river flows under three or four substantial bridges, with strong hand rails that give a sense of perfect security to the traveller. This valuable improvement is due to the skill and energy of my deceased friend, Matthew E. Muldrow, formerly Commissioner of Roads." Blanche

Dear Jackie, What an interesting read regarding the Burchull name in S.C.... I HAD no idea that they had that much history.. MY goodness... alot of governor's in that family... Imagine the history... You might be right about naming after someone famous at that time... Was hoping that it would be easier to crack the family tree with another family name.. But... I have a tendency to think that IF there was a connection as strong as that one.. I would have heard it somewhere along the line... Thank you for keeping your eyes open for me... I will still keep an eye on that line.. but I agree with you... your thoughts are probably correct on this one.... :) Cindy Mc

Gene, The reference to John Rabb was in Scott's chapter on early Columbia and the houses and places of business. I will cite the sentence concerning Mr. Rabb. If you need more let me know. "Across Gervais Street John Rabb kept a tavern at the corner where Barney Reilly afterwards did a prosperous business in the grocery line." The mention of the race track is in his chapter on "the burning of Columbia" during the Civil War.(February 17, 1865). He devotes several pages to the days leading up to the terrible night and describes the horror of drunken Union soldiers out of control. "Hampton's house , on Camden Road and Arthur's in the suburbs, were burnt before night. Just after dark, Puryear's, at the race track, and Dr. Wallace's were on fire." Blanche

Hi, Even though none of the families mentioned in the Burchell line conversations are related to me, some of the conversation has triggered me to ask the list if anyone has info on a mystery name in my Holladay lines. On November 19, 1847 my ancestors John James Holladay and Julia Elizabeth Stukes had a son. They named the son Shields Priestley Holladay. I have been unable to find the name Shields or Priestley on any previous Holladay or Stukes lines. So, where might this name have come from? Every Holladay generation in my line (male and female) and many off lines carry this name down to today's generation...so it would be interesting to try and find the source of the name. Thanks to anyone who can help. Kathy

Lonne, maybe something to go on. Gen Richard RIchardson had a son Richard Richardson Jr. Jr. (1741-1816) m. Dorcas Nelson 1741-1834). They had a daughter named Dorcas Richardson. She m. DOW, don't know a first name at this time. I hoped that could help somehow. Jackie

Cindy, if you want to see this information go to http://singletonfamily.org/ Remember I have no reason to think that I am correct, I was only giving an opinion. Maybe someone else will get the connection. Jackie

I don't know about you folks but I am so grateful that I found this book. I can actually transport myself back to (Salem)Brick Church and Black River where my gggggrandfather lived and "meet" the merchants and preachers and druggists that his daughter and her son, Edwin Scott, saw each day almost 200 years ago. What a blessing is the written word!! I loved Sumter!!! I was there last year for the first time but it seemed somehow that I had always been a part of it. "Remember" on paper for your descendents!! Here are the listings beginning with "P": Pacolet, S.C., Palmer (Asher, Rev. Benjamin M.,Edward G., Palmer's Tin Shop), Pardee's Blacksmith Shop, Dr. Thomas Parks, John Parr, Mr. Paysinger, Miss Patrick, Jim Patterson, Samuel Pearce, Colonel Austin F. Peay, Peck (tailor), Peckham's Carolina Hall, Peddlers, Pelham's House, A.H. Pemberton, Dr. Samuel Percival, Evans Permenter, Colonel B.F. Perry, Colonel Abner Perrin, James L. Petigrue, Philadelphia Weekly Times, Phoenix Weekly, Pickens Street, O.A. Pickle, Bishop Pierce of Georgia, Mary F. Pierce, Pigeons, S. Pilsburg, Pinkerton's Detective Agency, Plain Street, Plant (B.D., T.H.), Planter and Merchants Bank, Platt Springs, Thompson Player, Thomas K. Poindexter, Levi Pollock, Pompey Town (Lexington), Pope (Joseph Daniel, Nat), Rev. A. Toomer Porter, Lewis Pou, Dr. J.W. Powell, Presbyterian Church, Presbyterian Churchyars, Presbyterian Printing Office, Presbyterian Seminary, Preston (Gen John S., Mrs. John S., Colonel Robert, Colonel William C., Mrs. William C., Preston family, Preston mansion), W.P. Price, Purvis family, Puryear's house. Here are the "Q's": Quattlebaum (Capt. John, Gen. Paul), Mr. Quinn The "R" listings: John Rabb, Race track, T.J. Radcliffe, Radical Rule, Railroads, Rall (Jacob, Rev. Thomas),Rambo (Daniel, Samuel), Mr. Ramick, Ramsey (Nat., Family), Joe Randall, Randolph (George W., Isaac, John), Rawls (Benjamin, Mrs. Thomas, Dr. Thomas), Rev. Thomas Rayson, Reconstruction, Red Bank Cotton Factory, Simon Redmond, Reid (David Evander, Rev. George), Bernard (Barney) Reilly, W.W. Renwick, Revolutionary War Soliers, Reynolds (Dr. J.J., Dr. William, Dr. William, Jr., Reynolds family), Rhett ( Mrs. Albert, R. Barnwell, Rhett's mill), Colonel William Rice, Rice Creek Springs, Richardson (David, Judge John S.), Richland Fork, Richmond, Va., Richmond Inquirer, Rifles, Thomas Ritchie, Mr. Rivers (teacher), Rives family, Dr. Roach, Roads, Roberts family,Robertson (Captain, Senator T.J.), Mrs. John Robinson, William Rose, Peter Rowe, Zebulon Rudolph, James Rush, Russell (John, Robert E., Russell's Gardens) Blanche

Cindy, I read your E-mail about 10:00 A. M. this morning. Here are some thoughts. I looked in the "The Cemeteries of Old Sumter DIstrict Vol II" for anything to help you. I couldn't find anything. I started thinking. Take this for what it is, my thoughts. There was a James Burchell Richardson (1), whose father was General Richard Richardson (2), of American Revolution fame, whose father was Richardson (3). Richardson (3) married a ???? Burchell. General Richard Richardson (2) passed his mothers name to one of his sons. James Burchell Richardson (1) (1770-1836) became the fourteenth state governor of South Carolina, 1802-1804. Now here goes some of the neatest information I have run across. That James Burchell Richardson (1) had a brother named John Peter Richardson I. John Peter I had a daughter names Elizabeth Peyre Richardson. This is the neat part. Elizabeth was the niece of a governor, James Burchell Richardson (1). She was the sister of a governor, John Peter Richardson II. She was the wife of a governor, Richard Irvine Manning. She was the mother of a governor John Laurence Manning. She was the aunt of a governor, John Peter Richardson III. She was the grandmother of a governor, Richard Irvine Manning. I'm telling you all of this to say that just maybe your ancestors named someone Burchill or Burchull because they liked the name and they got it from a very politically powerful family at the time. I have noticed that people would name their children after especially famous military people, like Francis Marion, or Wade Hampton. Do you understand what I am saying? Now I have no way of knowing that any of this is true. I will be watching for a White, James White or Alfred Burchill White while I am watching for other names. Tell me what you think. This is all in the right time frame. Burchill was passed on to others in this Richardson family. It has been passed on to as late as a Henry Burchell "Punch" Richardson who died around 12 May 1997 and was born on 15 Oct 1916. Henry Burchell "Punch" Richardson's obit says that he is survived by two sons, one being Henry B. Richardson Jr. of Sumter. Guess what his middle name is? Will be waiting to hear from you. Jackie

Hi, Somehow Lonne was unsubbed and will be subbing again. Her message bounced to me and I have pasted it in. Please answer Lonne and not me directly about her query. Thanks, Cindy Subject: {not a subscriber} Osteen Cemetery? Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: John & Lonne Heath <lonneheath@coastalnet.com> To: Sumter SC List <SCSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Hi List! I am looking for an old Osteen Cemetery that was in the old Camden District. My verbal family history says that our Stone ancestors were buried on the old Osteen place. This was told to my Uncle by Mr. George Brown. Mr. Brown says that "Nicholas, Sabe, Philip & Family are buried on the O'Steen place on the West side of the railroad. Can't see it now as it is plowed over." Buried there are Nicholas Stone, Sabe Stone, and Philip Stone. Does anyone know where he might be speaking of? Jacob Osteen purchased most of Sabe Stone's land around 1800. Sally Osteen, Jacob's sister married Philip Stone. Thanks for your help. Lonne Stone Heath

Blanche, Could you cite two listings for me? 1. John Rabb 2. Race track Thanks so much. We are all enjoying your "column." Regards, Gene

Jackie, Jackie, Jackie....I am pleased that there are Burchulls in this area... I am looking for a connection somewhere... I have the name Burchill... listed as a middle name for two of my ancestors that I am looking for.... Do you have any females in your family line of Burchulls' that might have married a White???? I thought that the middle name was unusual... Had never heard it before I saw on my great grandfathers and great-great-grandfather's graves...I am looking for a James White.. not sure of a birthdate... only have his son's birthdate ofDec 29, 1859... His name was Joseph Burchill White and later on he had a son named Alfred Burchill White born around 1890.. don't have the date in front of me but around that time period.... Not sure of Jame's middle initial.. just have his first and last name as listed on his son's obituary... I did do a trace on his wife.. Savilla Thames... and she was born in 1841 and I have her family line going back with no Burchull /Burchill mentioned... So I am looking for a White connection...I really feel that it is a family name as it was mentioned twice... but don't know the ! connection..... probably James' mother... so she would have probably been born around 1820..So far everyone mentioned has been in the Sumter area... Although I am not completely sure about James... because I have looked at census's but it has been Internet material and there are eighty in SC listed.:) It is a pain to narrow down which James White I am looking for. I hope that this makes sense and I wished I had better dates... I will pay more attention to the name Richardson from now on also... ANYTHING that you might have on a Burchill family in that time period I would be interested in.. especially if it is a woman.... Thank you, Cindy McClay

damita - thank you for your post. julie thames howell, jax, fla Damita Drayton Green wrote: > All, > > There are many reasons why slaves may have chosen the names they did. > Examples can be cited that cover all of the aforementioned situations, like: > > * formerly enslaved took surname of last or prior slaveowning family > * formerly enslaved took surname of own choosing > * formerly enslaved were known by surnames within the enslaved community > * and on, and on > > Some sources you may want to consult: > > Black Family in Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925 > by Herbert George Gutman, Paperback - 664 pages (August 1977) > Random House (Paper); ISBN: 0394724518 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.52 x 9.18 > x 6.12 > > One that pertains to the Civil War vets of the 104th US Colored Troops, some > members who joined from the Sumter District & Williamsburg District areas: > > 104th Infantry Regiment, USCT - Colored Civil War Soldiers from South > Carolina > by J. Raymond Gourdin, Paperback - 242 pages (1997) > Heritage Books, Inc; ISBN:078840718X > > To cite some examples of why the formerly enslaved changed their names from > Gourdin's book, as cited in the Civil War Pension files: > > "...went by the name of Fortune Bailey before and after the Civil War, but > after the war I took my father's name of Ladson and have gone by that name > ever since." p. 107 > > "I got the name Richardson from my master, but after the War...I took my > father's name of Sinkler..." p. 188 > > "My father was Peter Bennett, and he belonged to Washington Coakley." "My > maiden name was Roxana Bennett. I was never known by any other name than > Bennett before mariage, then Coakley and Wright after my marriage to the > soldier." pg 47 > > >From the above, I hope that you see it is difficult to make generalizations > as to how or why the formerly enslaved took the names they did. Do not also > forget that many people, black and white, changed their surnames numerous > times for various reasons. > > Hope this helps, > Damita Drayton Green > dldgreen@erols.com > > Researching LOGAN*MITCHELL*NELSON*OLIVER*SINKLER*WILDER and so many more in > Clarendon & Sumter Counties. > > ==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb has a search engine available for its mailing lists. > If you don't know which list you'd like to search, check out the list > of lists hosted by RootsWeb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ > You can search the message archives of the SCSumter list at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Thank you! I will try the web site's you suggested. Lonne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin Shaw <poptop@usit.net> To: <SCSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: [SCSUMTER-L] Osteen cemetery > Since old Camden District previously included part of present Sumter and/or > Lee County, I checked the 3 vol. Sumter Cemetery Surveys and did not see > mention of an Osteen Cemetery. You might try (1)the Sumter Genealogy Soc. > web site and make an inquiry to them to check their card file: http:// > www.geocities.com/scgs2000 [this URL doesn't always work for some > reason](2)check the SCGenWeb for a "Camden" list or a Kershaw Co. list to > make an inquiry > Ervin Shaw > poptop@usit.net Lexington, S. C. > my web site http://www.public.usit.net/poptop > photo at office http://www.lexmed.com/medical.htm > > > ==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb has a search engine available for its mailing lists. > If you don't know which list you'd like to search, check out the list > of lists hosted by RootsWeb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ > You can search the message archives of the SCSumter list at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

That's good!

Since old Camden District previously included part of present Sumter and/or Lee County, I checked the 3 vol. Sumter Cemetery Surveys and did not see mention of an Osteen Cemetery. You might try (1)the Sumter Genealogy Soc. web site and make an inquiry to them to check their card file: http:// www.geocities.com/scgs2000 [this URL doesn't always work for some reason](2)check the SCGenWeb for a "Camden" list or a Kershaw Co. list to make an inquiry Ervin Shaw poptop@usit.net Lexington, S. C. my web site http://www.public.usit.net/poptop photo at office http://www.lexmed.com/medical.htm