Hi Bill - I have the following information on the Rhame's - doesn't go back far enough for you, but I took the info you had and incorporated it in my program: Martha Mary Rhame - born Dec. 30, 1826, died April 11, 1919. Married Henry F. (Fox) Tindal Their son, Levy Rhame Tindal married Julia Connors (my husband's ggg uncle's daughter) as his second wife after his first wife, Eliza Mary Brock, and the mother of seven children died (no wonder!) In a message dated 7/1/98 10:07:45 AM, you wrote: <<I am searching for information on the wives of Levy F. RHAME (26 Feb 1798 - 21 Mar 1873), a son of Jeremiah RHAME, Jr. L.F. RHAME was a planter, state senator, founder of Clarendon County, and lay leader of Calvary Baptist Church (near present day Pinewood). He is buried at Calvary Church with two of his wives. One tombstone is of "Mrs. Elizabeth M. RHAME - died 4 May 1830;" the other is "Mrs. Elizabeth RHAME (17 Feb 1808 - 26 Jan 1875)." To complicate matters further, a THAMES researcher has L.F.R. married to Evelinah THAMES (born abt. 1804), a daughter of Charles Christoper THAMES, Sr. Any info on the wives of L.F. RHAME greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill McIntosh >>

I am seeking information on John KENNEDY (CANADY) (1760-1832) and Cherry ROUNTREE(1763-1845). They were married in 1785 in Craven Co, NC and came to Sumter, SC about 1802. Any information about them or their family would be appreciated. Larry Noah - [email protected] My family is at - http://members.tripod.com/~lrnoah Links there to Alamance Co, NC, Orange Co, NC and Florence Co, SC USGenWeb sites.

To Bill McIntosh: This may not help you with your Williams but it may be worth a try. DAVID WILLIAMS, St. Mark's Parish, Craven (from ABSTRACTS OF WILLS< 1760-1784) 4 sons: William, James, Membrance, Absolum. Membrance & Absolum married daughters of William Brown, Sr. of Sumter District. Neither would be parent of your Margaret. But William Williams stayed in Darlington District & had many daughters. I have nothing on him - in the 1790 census he had 4 females so it is POSSIBLE that Margaret was his daughter & they had connections with Sumter people. Shot in the dark - anyone have anything on William's daughters? Your list of families is interesting - another of the BROWN family married a Wesberry - Is your LEE, Anthony Lee? Is your Morrall from Georgetown area?? Bet At 04:43 PM 6/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >I am searching for the parents of Margaret WILLIAMS (24 Jan 1786 - Mar 1820) >who married John FELDER (3 May 1773 - Jun 1815), a son of Jacob FELDER (b. 22 >Jul 1750) and Mary Elizabeth MYERS (b. 21 Jun 1755). Any information on this >Margaret WILLIAMS greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Bill McIntosh > > >==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== >To unsub from the SCSumter mailing list send a one word message , unsubscribe to: >[email protected] >If you are subscribed to the Digest mode send your unsubcribe message to: >[email protected] > >

In a message dated 98-07-01 14:44:53 EDT, you write: << Your list of families is interesting - another of the BROWN family married a Wesberry - Is your LEE, Anthony Lee? Is your Morrall from Georgetown area?? >> THANKS FOR THE WILLIAMS INFO -- I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF "MY" MARGARET WILLIAMS CAME FROM ORANGEBURGH DISTRICT THOUGH (FROM WHERE THE FELDERS CAME TO ST. MARK'S PARISH). STILL YOU MAY BE ON TO SOMETHING. I AM INTERESTED IN ANY INFO ON EARLY (18th CENTURY) WESBERRYS, WESTBERRYS, OR WESTBURYS. I AM LOOKING FOR THE MOTHER OF WILLIAM McINTOSH (1764-1843). ACCORDING TO DR. SAMUEL D. McGILL, WILLIAM'S MOTHER WAS A WESTBURY WHO WAS THE SISTER OF MRS. ELIZABETH (WESTBURY) McGILL. I HAVE FOUND ONE SOURCE (FULTON, "THE WHELERS OF WHELER HILL") THAT STATES THAT MARTHA WESTBURY MARRIED A WILLIAM McINTOSH. OUR TRADITION IS THAT OUR WILLIAM's FATHER WAS JOHN McINTOSH - SO I'M NOT SURE IF MARTHA WESTBURY WAS HIS MOTHER. MY LEEs ARE FROM BARBADOS BY WAY OF CHARLESTON. THOMAS LEE's DAUGHTER SUSANNAH married _____ (James?) McDONALD. THEIR DAUGHTER BINKEY McDONALD married CHARLES FREDERICK LESESNE. YES! MY MORRALLs ARE FROM GEORGETOWN. I AM LOOKING FOR INFO ON ANCESTORS OF ELIZABETH MORRALL WHO MARRIED JOHN LESESNE AROUND 1753. ALL I HAVE IS THAT HER FATHER WAS NAMED JOHN. ANOTHER UNDOCUMENTED SOURCE SAYS THAT JOHN MORRALL'S FATHER WAS NAMED PETER. I BELIEVE THEY CAME TO GEORGETOWN FROM CHRIST CHURCH PARISH. LOTS OF CONFUSION AMONG MORRALLs, MURRELLs, etc. THANKS AGAIN!

Has anyone ever heard these two names? DOLSA or LEPHFIRE? Both women shared the surname PILGRIM. As far as I know, Dolsa was not a nickname. Lephfire was used with Sophia, don't know which was the middle, first or nickname. If you have heard or seen the names do you possibly know the origin of either? Thanks, Vickie

Quoting from a paper written by M. Jean Brunson in 1983: "WILLIAM AND LUCY RAGAN" In Wm's will, he named son John "John Ragin married Sarah Felder, widow of John Felder. John Felder was born 12 Dec. 1751, and was killed in the Revolutionary War. John and Sarah Felder had two sons, John P. and William Felder, both named in the Will of their stepfather John Ragin. Major John P. Felder, whose War of 1812 record states that he died 12-13-1814, married Ann Ransome Lawson. Ann married 2nd John P. Felder's half brother Richard Ragin. William Felder, who died 3-13-1825, married Sarah Pitts. (Mrs. M.E.Felder, Texas)" NOTE FROM BET: more than you wanted to know - I'm getting to it!! John & Sarah had 7 children. I descend from Richard. You were asking about MARY: quoting:"MARY RAGIN, d/o John & Sarah Ragin, was unmarried at the time of her father's will in 1803. Mary married a Gayle & was deceased at the time of her brother Charles' will signed 5-31-1846 in Sumter Dist. (Von Hacke file, no book cited) John Gayle, s/o Christopher & Unity Richbourg Gayle, married after 1803 Mary Ragin, who died 1-28-1846...etc..(GAYLE KINSMAN, John N.Averitt)" Hope this helps. I'm still looking for mention of your John Felder. Bet At 04:39 PM 6/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >I am searching for the parents of Mary RAGIN (died 28 Jan 1846) who married >John GAYLE, a son of Christopher GAYLE and Unity RICHBOURGH. Any information >on this Mary RAGIN greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Bill McIntosh > >

Many thanks for the RAGIN info. . . I have a hard time keeping all of these RAGIN-FELDER-GAYLE marriages straight! You are the second person from the SUMTER list to provide me with major help this morning. Wish more of my brick walls were in Sumter District. Thanks again, Bill Researching McINTOSH, LESESNE, JOYE, ROSE, HARRINGTON, WESTBURY, THAMES, FELDER, GAYLE, RAGIN, RICHBOURG, FOX, CANTEY, RHAME, WELLS, SARGENT, CONNOR, McDONALD, LEE, NELSON, MORRALL, NETHERTON

My mistake, please accept my apology. Ler01

I just got off the phone with my Mother. I think John is in bed by now. The daft look good to me and should get some results. I don't think Sahara want to turn away that many people, when he stand to make from 100.00 to 500.00 off of each person. I also feel that, even with the rehab going on, that they can find a place for us to have our reunion at the Sahara. If that was not the case, the Hotel/Casino would have been completely closed. Obviously, they are still in business, which mean they have a place for us. Ler01

Hello all, I am home from our trip to the beach. (No sunburn. My husband should have purchased stock in a #30 sunblock company. He makes sure that we all lotion up.) Anyway, I have just loaded up page updates for all 3 counties. The Clarendon page has the newest big updates. I have added a cemetery links page with 3 cemetery transcriptions. Take a look at the Clarendon page. Oh, before I left for the beach I added a picture to the photo album. It's one of the first motorized engine that the fire dept had. (1916) Thanks folks for sending me your pictures and data. Cindy P.S. The Sumter County Courthouse has wills, deeds etc. which were filed there since 1800 when Sumter District was established. They even have some of the older records pertaining to what became Sumter Distirct from when Sumter was part of Camden District. (Remember that Clarendon was part of Sumter District until Jan. 1, 1800 and both were part of Camden before.) All of my ancestors were from Clarendon and I have found their wills, deeds, etc in the Sumter County Courthouse. Of course, I have gone to Clarendon for the later items. The Sumter County Courthouse officials managed to save the county records from the Union Troops by taking them out into the country and hiding them. Clarendon didn't fare so well. Union troops burned the courthouse in Manning so many records were lost. (Probably just the ones I need too.)

Hi All, The town of Bishopville in Lee County was named in honor of Dr Jacques Bishop (it was earlier known as Singleton's Crossroads, I think). Does anyone have any information on Dr Bishop's date or place of birth, etc. My relative is Wm Bowen (1794-1860?), Bishop's "step-"son-in-law. Jacques married Penelope Benton (1) Brockington who was the mother of Eliza Kimbrough Brockington--William Bowen's wife. Four generations before this Wm there was another Wm Bowen (1656-1727) who, in c1672, was brought with his brother and sister, David and Mary, to Worcester Co, MD, from Accomack, VA, by his step-father, Lt Henry Bishop, and mother, Ann Bowen Bishop. This William's sister, Mary Bowen, married Henry's son, John Bishop, in Dec 1672. Jacques Bishop and William Bowen seemingly were life-long friends and I can't help wonder if they weren't related also. Thanks so much. Marcie Bowen-Astley

Since I haven't seen a discussion on surveying techinques with the thread, I'll step into the discussion. When researching land records in the original 13 colonies, and I believe Texas since it enter the Union as an independent Nation, the land will be defined using Metes and Bounds. The land corners were the places of metes and the bounds defined the lines. The metes could be anything that was found in the natural landscape, trees, creeks, hill, etc. some times rock cairns were built to locate the corners or turning points in lines. The boundary lines are marked by bearing lines. The lines are established using compass bearings so you'll get a number like S89 45 15 E which means South 89 degress, 45 minutes, 15 secs east. The measurements were cut the North or the south with the easterly or westerly direction add at the ends. The length of boundary lines were measure in feet, chains, and rods. Chains are 100 feet in length, I can't remember what a rod measures, but the number 16 feet hangs in my mind. (Been too many years since beginning surveying to recall). After the acquistion of the old northwest territory in 1789, the states of Illinois, Indiana, and others, a ordinal system was established to survey all newly found land in the United States. The system established baselines call meridians usually one or two per state. From the meridians Range and Townships were established. Range were the east - west grid numbers and the Townships were the north - south grid numbers. For example R(ange) 18 E(ast) T(township) 10 S(outh) Provided a base coordinate. This area defined a square. Inside the square is divided into Sections 36 sections. Each section contains 640 acres and is 1 mile square. The sections are quartered and then the 1/4s are quartered. So you get the SW 1/4 of the NW 1/4 of Sec X. R x Tx. Hope this clarifies the land surveys used in the south Deborah Byrd [email protected]

I am searching for information on the wives of Levy F. RHAME (26 Feb 1798 - 21 Mar 1873), a son of Jeremiah RHAME, Jr. L.F. RHAME was a planter, state senator, founder of Clarendon County, and lay leader of Calvary Baptist Church (near present day Pinewood). He is buried at Calvary Church with two of his wives. One tombstone is of "Mrs. Elizabeth M. RHAME - died 4 May 1830;" the other is "Mrs. Elizabeth RHAME (17 Feb 1808 - 26 Jan 1875)." To complicate matters further, a THAMES researcher has L.F.R. married to Evelinah THAMES (born abt. 1804), a daughter of Charles Christoper THAMES, Sr. Any info on the wives of L.F. RHAME greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill McIntosh 1 -- Levy F. RHAME (26 Feb 1798 - 21 Mar 1873) sp-Elizabeth M_____ (d. 4 May 1830) 2 -- Martha Mary RHAME (30 Dec 1826 - 11 Apr 1914) sp-Henry Fox TINDAL (24 Mar 1813 - 15 Nov 1875) 3 -- Levy Rhame TINDAL sp-Elizabeth ______ (17 Feb 1808 - 26 Jan 1875) 2 -- Sarah Lucretia RHAME (21 Dec 1837 - 22 Apr 1884) sp-Maj. William Theodore LESESNE (CSA) (11 Oct 1833 - 25 Dec 1884) 3 -- Levy F. Rhame LESESNE (31 Jul 1857 - 27 Nov 1895) sp-Margaret Elizabeth THAMES (1 Jul 1855 - 21 Mar 1921)

I am searching for the parents of Margaret WILLIAMS (24 Jan 1786 - Mar 1820) who married John FELDER (3 May 1773 - Jun 1815), a son of Jacob FELDER (b. 22 Jul 1750) and Mary Elizabeth MYERS (b. 21 Jun 1755). Any information on this Margaret WILLIAMS greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill McIntosh

I am searching for the parents of Mary RAGIN (died 28 Jan 1846) who married John GAYLE, a son of Christopher GAYLE and Unity RICHBOURGH. Any information on this Mary RAGIN greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill McIntosh

My husband and I are very interested in land plats also. I have copies of the original recording of deeds for my husband's gggg grandfather who lived between Sumter and Manning. My husband and I are going to South Carolina in August in hopes of finding the original plantation (or at least where it was located). I have landmarks on the recorded deed and was in hopes of finding plat books from the early 1800's. Do you think this would be possible? This is my first entry to Sumter Roots. I find all of the information valuable, whether it applies to me at the present time or not. Sally Connors

Sally, I'd like to respond regarding finding the location of the land indicated on a deed you possess. I have been having trouble responding to the AOL users, so that is why this is a public response. This is a wonderful forum for such questions, and all responses to my original post have been most helpoful. Someone suggested I look into USGS topograpghical maps. I must say, that using the landmarks on one of my plats (Butlers Bay - Williamsburg Co, SC), I was able to locate the approximate location of the land. I did the same for Mill Creek in Sumter Co successfully. I'm still looking into the exact coordinates/location of both plats, but now I have it narrowed down to a very good idea.. Check out the USGS GNIS database query website at http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html Type in the state, county and one of your landmarks (church, body of water, etc) and see what pops up! Damita Drayton Green [email protected] Researching *LOGAN*OLIVER* in Clarendon & Sumter Counties, SC >From: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:53:38 EDT >Subject: [SCSUMTER-L] Re: Land Plats >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] > >My husband and I are very interested in land plats also. I have copies of the >original recording of deeds for my husband's gggg grandfather who lived >between Sumter and Manning. My husband and I are going to South Carolina in >August in hopes of finding the original plantation (or at least where it was >located). I have landmarks on the recorded deed and was in hopes of finding >plat books from the early 1800's. Do you think this would be possible? > >This is my first entry to Sumter Roots. I find all of the information >valuable, whether it applies to me at the present time or not. > >Sally Connors > > >==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== >To unsub from the SCSumter mailing list send a one word message , unsubscribe to: >[email protected] >If you are subscribed to the Digest mode send your unsubcribe message to: >[email protected] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Sally: Clarendon County was a part of Sumter County until the mid-l850's (l852--I think)....you may fine those records in Sumter County Court House....also you might check with Charleston as I believe everything before 1842 was recorded or at least records were moved to this loction.....all this off the top of my head.....good luck... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:57 AM Subject: [SCSUMTER-L] Re: Land Plats >My husband and I are very interested in land plats also. I have copies of the >original recording of deeds for my husband's gggg grandfather who lived >between Sumter and Manning. My husband and I are going to South Carolina in >August in hopes of finding the original plantation (or at least where it was >located). I have landmarks on the recorded deed and was in hopes of finding >plat books from the early 1800's. Do you think this would be possible? > >This is my first entry to Sumter Roots. I find all of the information >valuable, whether it applies to me at the present time or not. > >Sally Connors > > >==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== >To unsub from the SCSumter mailing list send a one word message , unsubscribe to: >[email protected] >If you are subscribed to the Digest mode send your unsubcribe message to: >[email protected]

D Green wrote: > I have a land plat dated June 1860 for Clarendon County. I am > interesting in determining where exactly this location is today. On it > are numbers such as S1 W34.80 and N27 W28.80. How would I go about this > and what are these numbers? <snip> Dear Damita, Undoubtedly the land is described in terms of "metes and bounds". The compass directions and distances will give you the shape and size of the land; not the placement. You'll need to look to references to landmarks such as waterways or the names of neighbors to determine the placement. You might be fortunate enough to find that someone has already mapped the land ownership of the area. Otherwise, determining the exact location of the land in question may be quite difficult. Best wishes, Bob -- Member: NGS, NCGS, PGN, Association of Professional Genealogists Address for professional research requests: [email protected] Web page: http://ncgen.mms.net/

Thanks! This is something I've really want to learn about to locate some old plats. Val Dances With Clouds wrote: > Val, > > We will keep you posted. I haven't much experience as a genealogical research but was a > professional geographer for over twenty years before I became an information technology manager. I > may be able to help in this area. I sure will try. > > Bob > > Val McGinness wrote: > > > Damita and Bob... > > > > Since this is something that interests me too, could either of you please send > > me copies of your correspondence. I have a g-g-g-g-mother who had some land > > somewhere in Bishopville. Have the original "grant", but have not had any help > > on how to find it. > > > > Val McGinness > > Alexander Researcher > > Macon, GA > > > > Dances With Clouds wrote: > > > > > Damita, > > > > > > What are the exact numbers on your plat? The S1 could be section one in the > > > section, township and range system. The W 34.80 and N27 appear to be > > > latitude and longitude. If you would copy the numbers exactly into an email > > > I would be happy to try to determine what they mean for you. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > D Green wrote: > > > > > > > I have a land plat dated June 1860 for Clarendon County. I am > > > > interesting in determining where exactly this location is today. On it > > > > are numbers such as S1 W34.80 and N27 W28.80. How would I go about this > > > > and what are these numbers? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Damita Drayton Green > > > > [email protected] > > > > Researching *LOGAN*OLIVER* in Clarendon and Sumter Counties. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bob Brown in West Palm Beach, Florida > > > [email protected] (at work) > > > [email protected] (at home) > > > personal web site http://www.mindspring.com/~rbrown3rd > > > work web site http://www.sfwmd.gov/ > > > > ==== SCSUMTER Mailing List ==== > > The Sumter County Genealogy Society is open Tuesday - Saturday 10:00-1:00 > > and from 2:00 - 5:00. (Check for holiday closings.) (803) 773-9144 > > The Genealogical and Historical Research Center is located at 219 West Liberty Street in Sumter. > > The mailing address is P.O. Box 2543 Sumter, S.C. 29151. > > Meetings are held every third Monday at 7:30 p.m. except during June,July, and August. > > (The meetings are usually held at Swan Lake Presbyterian Church.) > > -- > > Bob Brown in West Palm Beach, Florida > [email protected] (at work) > [email protected] (at home) > personal web site http://www.mindspring.com/~rbrown3rd > work web site http://www.sfwmd.gov/