Hello, I agree with everything you said. We all, all us Americans, suffered to some degree from that war, and as you said, north, south, black, white, etc., not only personally, but our various cultures, societies, etc., too. My White familiy was from Spartanburg, S.C.. My gradnmother told me an interesting family story of how split families were in their opinions and actions: My great grandfather, Rev. Wm. Henry White, at the time of the Civil War only 14 or so, had as his best friend a slave boy his own age. I don't know where the slave lad lived, whether on my g.g.grandfather's farm or on a neighbors, I don't know. But my great grandfather and this slave lad had grown up together and were best friends. Well, while his dad, my g.g.grandfather, Lt. John Warren White, was off fighting in the "Spartan Rifles", Co. "K", Palmetto SharlpShooters, S.C. Vols., the son took this slave lad to someplace that would help him go north. He did this and set him free. They hugged and cried and said goodbye to one another, and then his little slave friend, with his ragged clothes and his little bag holding his few posessions, was gone forever. My grandmother told me that her father, the one who had took his friend and set him free, wondered until his dying day what ever happened to his little slave friend and would always include him in prayer at the dinner table and elsewhere for the Lord to look after him where ever he may be. Great grandpapa lived from the 1850s when he was born until 1949, saw his father killed in the war, his homeland runover by thieves, landgrabbers, carpet baggers and scalawags, took part in a mass family and relative migration to Texas in 1866 (some, the Wyatt children, went as late as 1873), when near grown he made his way back to S.C., went to the Columbia Theological Seminary and became a Presbyterian Minister. He had a very eventful life, and for him to remember his friend in his thoughts and prayers until his dying day tells me something about his character and their friendship. I too wonder what ever happened to the little slave lad my great grandfather snuck off and set free. I too hope and pray that God and life was good to him. You mentioned things that happened to blacks, both slave and free. You should read the book, "The South Was Right". Besides all the main thing in the book that it goes into such all the legality aspects of it all, secession, what the South did, what the North did, State's Rights, Constitutional Law, Declaration of Independence, etc., etc., it also goes into what all blacks went through from the early slavery days and even into the way the North, northerners, and Union soldiers treated them. It is an interesting book. Take care, Dave Millbrook, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: "TC" <tanica@thecampbellfamilyhome.com> To: "'David Middleton Edelen II'" <k98@bellsouth.net>; <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > Dave, a lot of horrible things happened to families during that era. My > 3rd great maternal grandmother Elizabeth McClaren was raped by a soldier > in Atlanta, and had her daughter Annie as a result. The shame of that > event kept that line a brick wall for decades. My 2nd great grandmother > Annie Cannon was forced to steal to feed her children, and was beaten so > badly by solders in Tennessee that she could not sit down. Another > ancestor (Bryson Hamilton) hid in the woods to avoid being captured and > beaten. It was a terrible time. Several children died horrible deaths; > I know there were more that died that I can't document. > > Fortunately, for those ancestors and many others, the evil invaders in > the War of Northern Aggression managed to free Elizabeth and Annie, > Bryson and Annie Cannon from the strong upstanding citizens of the south > who held them captive and profited from the destruction of their > families. I can't say I feel too sorry, even for my paternal 3rd great > grandfather who owned slaves in South Carolina and lost money and > property after the war. Having family members on both sides of the > conflict, it would be foolish for me to look back from the vantage point > of 2003 and bemoan the loss of property and money in the face of how > that property and money was gained. > > The terrors of war were felt on all sides, by whites and blacks, north > and south, soldiers and civilians, slaves and free; nobody has a > monopoly on pain. (Read Herbert Gutman's "Black Family in Slavery and > Freedom" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".) > > Tanica Campbell, IBSSG > Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ > ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ > CANTRELL (GA) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:14 PM > To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > > Hello Judy, > Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected > people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of > starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have > people > like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The > South > Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, > communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food > supplies, > and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting > new > crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then > these families starved and many died that were not able to move and > migrate > somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of > my > family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, > Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in > that > they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very > pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon > appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, > Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in > Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, > supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the > government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a > lot. I > know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather > Berry > and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory > type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. > In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed > blind > and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's > criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, > McDowells, > Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get > away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over > the > Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my > g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and > Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then > their > homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his > wife's > parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder > what is > on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was > any > mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting > story > handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees > burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my > great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the > detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously > wounded > by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black > house > servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). > My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was > the > only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit > (U.S.). > I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he > had > a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him > after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find > some > of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out > on > Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, > who > his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with > whom on > the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last > 28 > years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to > find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to > say > the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to > where > he was born and try to find some records in the court house. > Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. > Take care, > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> > To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM > Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > > > > David, > > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your > ancestors. > > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. > Before, > > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. > So > sad. > > Judy Curtis Jackson > > NC > > > > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We > practice > the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice > the Golden Rule here. 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