David, I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. Judy Curtis Jackson NC

Hello Judy, Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have people like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The South Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food supplies, and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting new crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then these families starved and many died that were not able to move and migrate somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of my family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in that they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a lot. I know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather Berry and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed blind and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, McDowells, Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over the Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then their homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his wife's parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder what is on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was any mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting story handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously wounded by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black house servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was the only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit (U.S.). I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he had a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find some of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out on Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, who his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with whom on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last 28 years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to say the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to where he was born and try to find some records in the court house. Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. Take care, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > David, > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. > Judy Curtis Jackson > NC > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dave, a lot of horrible things happened to families during that era. My 3rd great maternal grandmother Elizabeth McClaren was raped by a soldier in Atlanta, and had her daughter Annie as a result. The shame of that event kept that line a brick wall for decades. My 2nd great grandmother Annie Cannon was forced to steal to feed her children, and was beaten so badly by solders in Tennessee that she could not sit down. Another ancestor (Bryson Hamilton) hid in the woods to avoid being captured and beaten. It was a terrible time. Several children died horrible deaths; I know there were more that died that I can't document. Fortunately, for those ancestors and many others, the evil invaders in the War of Northern Aggression managed to free Elizabeth and Annie, Bryson and Annie Cannon from the strong upstanding citizens of the south who held them captive and profited from the destruction of their families. I can't say I feel too sorry, even for my paternal 3rd great grandfather who owned slaves in South Carolina and lost money and property after the war. Having family members on both sides of the conflict, it would be foolish for me to look back from the vantage point of 2003 and bemoan the loss of property and money in the face of how that property and money was gained. The terrors of war were felt on all sides, by whites and blacks, north and south, soldiers and civilians, slaves and free; nobody has a monopoly on pain. (Read Herbert Gutman's "Black Family in Slavery and Freedom" and Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".) Tanica Campbell, IBSSG Researching MCMILLAN/ CANNON (SC/TN), HAMILTON/ GOODE (NC/TN), KIDD/ ANDERSON/ BRODY (MS/TN), ADAMS/ WILLIS/ ABERCROMBIE/ AGNEW (SC), WHITE/ CANTRELL (GA) -----Original Message----- From: David Middleton Edelen II [mailto:k98@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:14 PM To: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta Hello Judy, Yes, I agree with you, that is truly sad how that war affected people and families. Besides combat deaths, many civilian people died of starvation and desease and things not caused by combat. When you have people like the yankees whose officially condoned policy it was (read, "The South Was Right", by the Kenndy brothers) to burn and destroy whole towns, communities, homes, subsistance supplies, food crops, family food supplies, and even farming impliments so as to deprive a family of even planting new crops, take or kill their cows, mules and horses, and other stock, then these families starved and many died that were not able to move and migrate somewhere. The War for Southern Independence affected all branches of my family. In Maryland, my father's side of the family(Edelens, Berrys, Middleton, Montgomerys, etc.) was effected, at least some branches, in that they were all from Pr. Georges and Charles Counties, which was a very pro-southern section of the State. The lacky and usurper that Linclon appointed as Military Governor when he declared Martial Law in Maryland, Gen. Butler I think, put out a proclomation stating that any persons in Maryland that help the Southern cause in any way, such as clothing, supplies, mutitions, weapons, or fight for it, would forfeit to the government their wealth, land, and posessions. So some of them lost a lot. I know that the Edelens fought for the /South as did my g.g.grandfather Berry and Middleton. Then of course the depression, which my conspiricy theory type of mind thinks was an orchestrated planned thing, did not help any. In S. C., on my mother's mom's side they were all robbed blind and then their homes were pillaged and burned to the ground by sherman's criminals. Many of these families and relatives (Whites, Fosters, McDowells, Blacks, Wyatts, Barclays, etc.) moved west to Texas and elsewhere to get away from the carpet baggers and scalawags which were crawling all over the Deep South like the vermin that they were. I know for a fact that my g.g.grandparents, Ebenezer and Janet Campbell (Barclay)Stenhouse, and Janet's parents, the Barclays, were all robbed and terrorized and then their homes burned to the ground in Columbia, S.C.. Eben Stenhouse and his wife's parents the Barclays both lived on Richardson Street there. I wonder what is on Richardson Street in Columbia now? I have never heard that there was any mention from or of the Barclays since then. There is an interesting story handed down by my great grandmother to my mother about when the yankees burst into the Stenhouse home on Richardson St. in Columbia. I think my great grandmother, who had made the yankee sergeant in charge of the detachment angry with her mouth, would have been killed or seriously wounded by this brigand had it not been for the love and loyalty of a black house servant that intervened (I know not whether she was free or slave). My mom's dad's father, Dr. John Fleming rodgers of Ky was the only ancestor who fought for the north, a surgeon with a Ky Cav unit (U.S.). I heard long ago when I was a child through the family grapevine that he had a lot of brothers that fought for the South and his family disowned him after the war. I would like to find out if that is true, and even find some of my lost Ky Rodgers relatives, but can't seem to find one thing out on Dr. Rodgers' family, parents, or Rodgers line. I know where he was born, who his wives and kids were, his military history, where he was and with whom on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses, and where he lived and died the last 28 years of his life, where his grave is and all, but still can not seem to find out who his parents were. It is a brick wall that is frustrating to say the least. I reckon I am going to have to drive 8 hours up into Ky to where he was born and try to find some records in the court house. Oh well, I reckon I had better close for now. I hope I did not bore you. Take care, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@bellsouth.net> To: <SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [SCSPARTA] Carolina Sparta > David, > I suggest that you get in contact with Steve Batson who has a website > connection on the Greenville "list". His expertise is on the 16th Reg > of Greenville but he is extremely knowledgeable about many of the > regiments and the War. Interesting and sad story about your ancestors. > My gggrandfather was wounded twice only to end up taking his own > life at age 63. They say he was never the same after the War. Before, > he was a loving, funny, wonderful man as I see it from his letters. So sad. > Judy Curtis Jackson > NC > > > > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== > This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCSPARTA Mailing List ==== This list is for genealogical and historical research ONLY. We practice the Golden Rule here. You must be courteous or you will be unsubcribed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237